De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season

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So here is a followup question relevant to this;


If De Gea finally makes his mind up and decides to stay at United - what will your opinion/attitude be towards him next season (and onwards)?

I think that pragmatically, we have to admit that it would be a tough decision for him - going back to his home country etc, and if we acknowledge that fact then there shouldnt be any bitterness over the entire affair (although there would always be reservations about whether he will then one day bugger off to Spain, in the future).
 
Walrus said:
So here is a followup question relevant to this;


If De Gea finally makes his mind up and decides to stay at United - what will your opinion/attitude be towards him next season (and onwards)?

I think that pragmatically, we have to admit that it would be a tough decision for him - going back to his home country etc, and if we acknowledge that fact then there shouldnt be any bitterness over the entire affair (although there would always be reservations about whether he will then one day bugger off to Spain, in the future).
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I'd fecking love him even more, why would anyone else feel any different?
 
^^^ I'd fully support him. He would have chosen United over his family and girl friend - so he will be halfway towards a Legend in my book.
 
If the reports that he's agreed terms with Real are true we must have already accepted an offer for him right? Because otherwise it'd be blatantly illegal wouldn't it? His agent shouldn't even have talked to Real Madrid about his availability never mind agreed terms otherwise...its called "tapping up".

Oh wait....shit....its Real Madrid. They can do what they want.

The bastards should have a 10 year transfer embargo placed on them for their constant and blatant disregard for the rules and laws of UEFA and should be expelled from European competition for 5 years. Its absolutely outrageous.
 
Ricardo de la Vega said:
If the reports that he's agreed terms with Real are true we must have already accepted an offer for him right? Because otherwise it'd be blatantly illegal wouldn't it? His agent shouldn't even have talked to Real Madrid about his availability never mind agreed terms otherwise...its called "tapping up".

Oh wait....shit....its Real Madrid. They can do what they want.

The bastards should have a 10 year transfer embargo placed on them for their constant and blatant disregard for the rules and laws of UEFA and should be expelled from European competition for 5 years. Its absolutely outrageous.
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United is doing the same with Otamendi
 
Adam-Utd said:
He is arguably worth that to us. The amount of points he has saved us alone. His kicking ability will be hard to replace too. The fact is we won't get another player of his calibre for years, and not cheaply either. He is just as important or even more important than Di Maria, so if he is worth £60m let's make Madrid pay too.
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He is worth that to us - and so that should be the starting point for a deal. However, he's in the last year of his deal so we wont get a fraction of that. I'd say keep him and let him walk next year - or even better tell him we're going to keep him for 1 year anyway, so why not agree a new contract with us with a verbal promise that we'll allow Real Madrid to buy him next year for £80 million thus allowing us to properly get a replacement? It would be obviously reliant on us keeping our word but we've surely earned a bit of trust and respect from him - and he loses nothing by it (in fact he'd make money because we'd give him more money for next year than the contract he's on) so whats the down side?

Just as an aside - we did that with Ronaldo and it worked ok for both parties so we've got a track record of trust there?
 
I would be delighted if he signed a new contract but I would know that he would only stay for another year or two. The signing of a new contract would be to help get the highest possible transfer fee for goalkeeper. We all know he will eventually end up playing for one for the Madrid teams due to personal reasons.
 
One more year at least hopefully.

It's important to note that by all accounts we are willing to pay him a sizeable amount more than Real. I dare say it could be a third more - which may well swing it.

If it's the difference between:

£100k net pw - £5m / year / £25m over five.

Or

£70k net pw - £3.5m / £17m over five.

Which I suspect it could be around, that could be too much to resist.
 
waza7111 said:
I would be delighted if he signed a new contract but I would know that he would only stay for another year or two. The signing of a new contract would be to help get the highest possible transfer fee for goalkeeper. We all know he will eventually end up playing for one for the Madrid teams due to personal reasons.
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This is what we should be doing. If a player wants to leave there is nothing we can do - but we CAN keep him next year. He's under contract for it. So why not get him to agree a new contract for that year anyway (make it a 5 year one so Real have to pay big bucks) and put a release clause in aswell as a promise that we wont stand in the way of a genuine good offer for him from Real Madrid?
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Wut? How and where is this tapping up of Otamendi from us? As aside from the odd newspaper article there hasn't been much coverage at all of our interest.
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I know right....where on earth is it said "we've agreed contractual terms" with him before we've even agreed terms with the club (which is the law Carvajal)....
 
Walrus said:
So here is a followup question relevant to this;


If De Gea finally makes his mind up and decides to stay at United - what will your opinion/attitude be towards him next season (and onwards)?

I think that pragmatically, we have to admit that it would be a tough decision for him - going back to his home country etc, and if we acknowledge that fact then there shouldnt be any bitterness over the entire affair (although there would always be reservations about whether he will then one day bugger off to Spain, in the future).
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If he signs a new contract, I'll respect what a hard decision it was for him. I think most of us know that he'd return to Spain one day, and with Barcelona signing Ter Stegen it probably put a bit of hope into people that he wouldn't move to Real... we now know that isn't an issue for him, however. The spectre of Real will loom over, but if a new contract is signed, I'll enjoy however long left we have of him whether its one season or two.
 
Anirudh said:
@Manchie You can't say that's a 'lame excuse'. I fully disagree. For a 24-year old millionaire, family becomes even more important (and money less so). I stay away from my parents coz of work, but if someone gave me a chance to get 'equivalent career exposure' for lesser money, I'd move at the drop of a hat. It's not easy having a long distance relationship, and staying away from parents - regardless of how well one is doing professionally.

Nobody in their right minds will say that Real Madrid is not at least an 'equivalent' career choice for De Gea compared to us. He moved from his boyhood club Athletico for an upward career trajectory, and we didn't complain about that. So I don't see why we should begrudge him this move. He helped us achieve Champions League football this season. He was the only reason I could tolerate last season. So, fair play to him. If he moves, I'll wish him the best. If he doesn't, I'll be over the moon. He doesn't 'owe us' for the first season anymore. You can't expect him to be indebted to us for life.
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No, but we can expect him to sign a new contract so that we'll get a normal fee for a player of his quality. Even Suarez did that - I don't think anyone believed for a second that he would stay at liverpool for the duration of that new contract.
 
Walrus said:
So here is a followup question relevant to this;


If De Gea finally makes his mind up and decides to stay at United - what will your opinion/attitude be towards him next season (and onwards)?

I think that pragmatically, we have to admit that it would be a tough decision for him - going back to his home country etc, and if we acknowledge that fact then there shouldnt be any bitterness over the entire affair (although there would always be reservations about whether he will then one day bugger off to Spain, in the future).
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I'll have nothing but love/respect for the bloke no matter what he does. It's fairly obvious this move isn't about money and is more of a personal thing... at which point, who are we to say what De Gea should do that's best for him and his family? There are more important things than football.
 
I just got this feeling that the next official announcement from United on DDG will be something like "United have reached an agreement with Real Madrid for the transfer of David De Gea".

Not looking forward to it but it seems inevitable!
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Wut? How and where is this tapping up of Otamendi from us? As aside from the odd newspaper article there hasn't been much coverage at all of our interest.
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I will try to find the links but I heard several times in radio. Valencia said no, asking for the full release clause but United keeps the offer (is Jorge Mendes the agent? if it´s the case, then I´d say that could be easy for United). Anyway, I don´t blame United. I guess that it´s impossible to be totally correct with the other clubs when trying to negociate with a player
 
carvajal said:
I will try to find the links but I heard several times in radio. Valencia said no, asking for the full release clause but United keeps the offer (is Jorge Mendes the agent? if it´s the case, then I´d say that could be easy for United). Anyway, I don´t blame United. I guess that it´s impossible to be totally correct with the other clubs when trying to negociate with a player
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Not saying Otamendi isn't a good player, as I think he is excellent. But there has been no indication what so ever from these shores anyways about any tapping up or even trying to discomfort him from Valencia. Playing a game of 'Guess Who' of who you think his agent is doesn't really help you're claim in all honesty.
 
Theres also a big issue of whether we can ever buy young Spanish players ever again; they always want to feck off back to Spain for some reason. I don't know why...I
carvajal said:
I will try to find the links but I heard several times in radio. Valencia said no, asking for the full release clause but United keeps the offer (is Jorge Mendes the agent? if it´s the case, then I´d say that could be easy for United). Anyway, I don´t blame United. I guess that it´s impossible to be totally correct with the other clubs when trying to negociate with a player
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Not really. You just don't negotiate with the player until you've already agreed with the selling club that you can do so! Its simple! Real just don't follow this rule because its cheaper to sign a player who is unhappy and who wont sign a new contract.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Well, that was reported a while ago, nothing has been reported since.
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But it's no different really, as according to some media outlets De Gea has apparently agreed terms. And both reports could be a false as the other really.

If De Gea goes to Madrid, then we can say he's been tapped up yeah? But what if Gundogan comes here? Will you be sayibg the same then?
 
Ricardo de la Vega said:
If the reports that he's agreed terms with Real are true we must have already accepted an offer for him right? Because otherwise it'd be blatantly illegal wouldn't it? His agent shouldn't even have talked to Real Madrid about his availability never mind agreed terms otherwise...its called "tapping up".

Oh wait....shit....its Real Madrid. They can do what they want.

The bastards should have a 10 year transfer embargo placed on them for their constant and blatant disregard for the rules and laws of UEFA and should be expelled from European competition for 5 years. Its absolutely outrageous.
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We do the exact same things. Most clubs do.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
Not saying Otamendi isn't a good player, as I think he is excellent. But there has been no indication what so ever from these shores anyways about any tapping up or even trying to discomfort him from Valencia. Playing a game of 'Guess Who' of who you think his agent is doesn't really help you're claim in all honesty.
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Of course, think what you want, if you are convinced of the nobility and good manners of your club I have no intention to change your opinion but I know what I heard. Valencia did not want to sell but the player does not clarify his future and it is rumored that there is a very strong offer from England. In March Cope has confirmed he wants to go and will force his departure. If Valencia has said no, then according to that logic the normal is to withdraw the offer, but that's Alice in Wonderland in the transfer market
 
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carvajal said:
Of course, think what you want, if you are convinced of the nobility and good manners of your club I have no intention to change your opinion but I know what I heard. Valencia did not want to sell but the player does not clarify their future and it is rumored that there is a very strong offer from England. In March Cope has confirmed he wants to go and will force his departure. If Valencia has said no, then according to that logic is to withdraw the offer, but that's Alice in Wonderland in the transfer market
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Don't get me wrong, I know this club isn't holier then thou. We bought Bebe for £12million in a backhand deal for god's sake :D.
To be honest I think Otamendi wants a new challenge and if you are him and hear that Man Utd might be interested then of course you aren't going to commit to anything until you know for sure. That doesn't mean we are tapping him up, Just more of a case that he has higher ambitions as do all football players. Our club will obviously try to negotiate with Valencia first before paying the buy out clause, that is just business sense.
 
Does actual tapping up really happen now, what with these super-agents doing it all on behalf of the players? With Depay, it seems that he was suggesting he was talking to a number of clubs before it was agreed that PSV and United had agreed a fee. Agents doing it on behalf of the players surely stops it from being tapping up?

Unlike with Stam, where he met personally with Fergie whilst under contract, rather than an intermediary doing it for him, then that would probably be a more clear cut case of tapping up.

Unless DDG went to Real Madrid for a chat when he was over there in the week, then it's probably not tapping up, if Mendes is the middle man. Otherwise clubs would have to place bids and agree a fee for a player with their club first, before even finding out if a player wants to join, and I doubt it ever works that way. It would be a huge waste of time to place bids, have the bids re-negotiated, before finding out the player doesn't even want to join.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Does actual tapping up really happen now, what with these super-agents doing it all on behalf of the players? With Depay, it seems that he was suggesting he was talking to a number of clubs before it was agreed that PSV and United had agreed a fee. Agents doing it on behalf of the players surely stops it from being tapping up?

Unlike with Stam, where he met personally with Fergie whilst under contract, rather than an intermediary doing it for him, then that would probably be a more clear cut case of tapping up.

Unless DDG went to Real Madrid for a chat when he was over there in the week, then it's probably not tapping up, if Mendes is the middle man. Otherwise clubs would have to place bids and agree a fee for a player with their club first, before even finding out if a player wants to join, and I doubt it ever works that way. It would be a huge waste of time to place bids, have the bids re-negotiated, before finding out the player doesn't even want to join.
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Yes absolutely I'm sure clubs and agents will do what is necessary to ensure that they are not technically in breach of any rules or open to sanction. There will obviously be contact between club and player (through representatives or other 3rd parties) prior to transfer fees being agreed. United wont be any different from Madrid or the rest in that regard; in the case of De Gea we are just unfortunately on the receiving end of it.
 
Summit said:
But it's no different really, as according to some media outlets De Gea has apparently agreed terms. And both reports could be a false as the other really.

If De Gea goes to Madrid, then we can say he's been tapped up yeah? But what if Gundogan comes here? Will you be sayibg the same then?
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Lol, calm down lad, I never said De Gea was tapped up :lol:
 
I think the very best we can hope for is for him to do a Ronaldo. Agree to another year, sign a fat contract, then go next summer for a decent fee.

I've always said he'd end up at Barca or Real, it was always a matter of time. I just hope it's not this soon :(
 
NM said:
We do the exact same things. Most clubs do.
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So people say. And yet I see no evidence for it. On the other hand Spanish media reporting "he's agreed personal terms - its a done deal" is clear suggestion of this happening.
 
SirAF said:
No, but we can expect him to sign a new contract so that we'll get a normal fee for a player of his quality. Even Suarez did that - I don't think anyone believed for a second that he would stay at liverpool for the duration of that new contract.
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Fair point. But we don't know if United are getting paid the right price or not. I'll be happy if the numbers are around 35m pounds (but it looks like it will be closer to 20). Anyway, from his perspective, a higher price only reduces his chances of moving!
 
Ricardo de la Vega said:
So people say. And yet I see no evidence for it. On the other hand Spanish media reporting "he's agreed personal terms - its a done deal" is clear suggestion of this happening.
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See Hargreaves, Berbatov et all. Heck if you think we weren't talking to Herera and Fellaini (both in Moyes' summer) without their clubs approval, I'd say its silly
 
Ricardo de la Vega said:
So people say. And yet I see no evidence for it. On the other hand Spanish media reporting "he's agreed personal terms - its a done deal" is clear suggestion of this happening.
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Apparently we've agreed terms with Gundogan, there was also rumours we'd agreed terms last summer with Vidal.
In fact last summer we agreed terms with Shaw, Rojo and Herrera before engaging their respective clubs
 
Walrus said:
So here is a followup question relevant to this;


If De Gea finally makes his mind up and decides to stay at United - what will your opinion/attitude be towards him next season (and onwards)?
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I'd be delighted, and keep supporting him all the way as I have since the day he arrived. I'd still expect him to leave the following year, but I'd be very appreciative that he has renewed his contract meaning we can get a respectable fee for him. That would improve my feelings about all of this immensely. Once he then left, I'd view him much the same as Ronaldo.
 
All those crying tapping up - maybe we've given Madrid permission to speak to him, but we haven't agreed a fee. As LVG has said, it's up to DDG to decide. Clearly there's no tapping up going on here.
 
Has DDG even openly flirted with Madrid himself or hell even looked like he's sulked on the pitch? He's no way near Ronaldo levels.....yet we still love him. DDG is being a pro about it, helps obviously that the team didn't extend him far far sooner, which is amazingly odd given all the extensions they give out to anyone, should of done it the same time as Moyes did Rooney....and well like Nani too.
 
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