There may well be tapping up going on here. But every football club does it and we're no different. It's just the way the game is and, very few cases notwithstanding, everyone accept it.
De Gea Contract Situation
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There may well be tapping up going on here. But every football club does it and we're no different. It's just the way the game is and, very few cases notwithstanding, everyone accept it.
Tapping up, in the FIFA interpretation, needs to result in an actual breach of contract to be an offence. That could be a player failing to train/play as normal, arriving late, or skipping team meetings etc, or it could be something like appearing at a press conference, or travelling, or having a medical without permission. In other words it's the attempt to force the seller's hand by the player (or his agent) that's the issue and it becomes tapping up if the buyer club encouraged the player to do it..
It's understandable, why even shortlist a player as a target, if he says no? Most clubs do it, look at our signings of players like Berbatov, Rojo, Jones, Herrera - there's no way we hadn't spoken to their agents and knew exactly what the score was. In those cases we may actually have been in violation of the FIFA rule at some stage.
As far as we know, DdG has shown no reason for the club to doubt his attitude and in fact everything suggests he's being perfectly professional about it. It's a contract, a business arrangement entered into by two parties. He's presumably willing to honour his contract. We're the party that might be interested in terminating it early.
It's understandable, why even shortlist a player as a target, if he says no? Most clubs do it, look at our signings of players like Berbatov, Rojo, Jones, Herrera - there's no way we hadn't spoken to their agents and knew exactly what the score was. In those cases we may actually have been in violation of the FIFA rule at some stage.
As far as we know, DdG has shown no reason for the club to doubt his attitude and in fact everything suggests he's being perfectly professional about it. It's a contract, a business arrangement entered into by two parties. He's presumably willing to honour his contract. We're the party that might be interested in terminating it early.
Every single club does it mate. It's how multi million pound/euro contracts are agreed so quickly after a transfer fee is accepted.
Well, considering his girlfriend is causing all this trouble, a rumour needs to be put out that she is having an affair. Then Dave will split with her and won't need to go back to Spain. Sorted! Who's high profile and single in Spain then?
I thought about this the day we signed him. Honestly didn't expect it to happen this soon. We signed him in 2011 FFS...I feel he owes us at least two more seasons of service. He's finally widely considered world class and he's off to play for the heated rivals of his boyhood team.
I guess he thinks his time for United in between clubs will make it easier for Athletico fans to stomach. Top teams shouldn't have to sell their best players before they even hit their prime. It hurts tbh
Arrangements should also be made for a hot English chick to come in to the rescue. She must be able to speak Spanish though
I don't mind it at all, it's a part of the game. It would be unrealistic to think that clubs don't speak to players agents all the time. What would be the point of, for example, bidding for a player late in the transfer window without having spoken to his representatives to get a feeling if he is interested at all?
United have definitely done this at times too. Nothing to see here.
Why don't we just blow them out of the water? He's easily as important as any other player in the team. He plays every minute of every game. Offer him £200k per week. Double what Madrid will pay. Feck it.
I can only imagine this is what we've done, hence the "he has a difficult decision". We should also point out that Ronaldo hasn't exactly won a lot since he left.
I can only imagine this is what we've done, hence the "he has a difficult decision". We should also point out that Ronaldo hasn't exactly won a lot since he left.
If reports are true, we are offering him £200K PW.
Can you imagine if this was all a ploy from De Gea to get a beefy contract, and he never had any intention of joining Madrid?
It's got to the stage now where it's boring me. Either go or stay Dave. We've lost many great players and probably will carry on doing so. Like many have said the grass probably hasn't been greener for a lot of players moving to Madrid over the past few years. Having said that I reckon they'll win more than us over the next 5 years.
Considering we are paying Falcao/Rvp over 200k a week I think De Gea deserves that as well. But if he wants to go and live with his girlfriend in his native country fair enough. Who wouldn't.
Considering we are paying Falcao/Rvp over 200k a week I think De Gea deserves that as well. But if he wants to go and live with his girlfriend in his native country fair enough. Who wouldn't.
I think I'd just have to say fair play to his agent. He must be a hell of a poker player.
Lets hope so, it will mean he will stay! He deserves a big contract, he is the most important player at this moment.
How you would you feel if that was the case? No chance, mind you.
We have absolutely no reason to bend over to Madrid over this, they need a keeper now & if they can't match our valuation, or give us a player we want then we should just say no in the hope DDG signs up. If he doesn't then financial wise we won't have lost much, and who knows DDG might just prove key to winning something, afterall he'll need to keep his form razor sharp for them to still want him next year.
I'm very surprised more people don't seem to be even considering this as a possibility, put it that way.
WTF? I hope she is aware that even if she has children in England, it's not like they would become British citizens by birth. Why? Because both parents would be Spanish (duh!) and thus children are ineligible to the jus soli privilege. And besides, if Edurne wants a better platform for her musical career, better keep it in England for obvious reasons, girl.
Don't think that will happen, but it would do a hell lot of good for plenty of people to ban Madrid out of European competitions for that long. Let them drown in their shit for 5-10 years so they remember it for life.
That was roughly my thinking!
Was reading the De Gea replacement thread in the transfer forum and it occurred to me that I don't particularly want or rate any of the alternatives.
De Gea must stay!!!
De Gea must stay!!!
Hope whatever happens it is sorted quickly, can't be having it lasting all summer and over shadowing our other business.
Completely resided to losing him now.
Completely resided to losing him now.
He's been offered a beefy contract already hasn't he?
I'm not saying it is likely, but he could be just holding out until the last minute to see if we will offer him even more.
Imagine how sweet it would be seeing a player use Real for an improved contract for once, not the other way round!
I wonder if we might get any clues from when he picks up the Player of the Year award tomorrow evening.
I'm certain he's off but would be fantastic if he announced he was staying during his speech!
I'm certain he's off but would be fantastic if he announced he was staying during his speech!
Indeed. I still think he'll stay here though. He's said absolutely nothing about moving and neither has his agent. The media have been winding everyone up on this-especially the pundits on TV. I'd laugh my socks off if he turned round and signed a new 5-year deal with us.
it's all in the Gundogan thread
I would laugh so hard if he did, and then came out saying how he would never play for Real as a boyhood Atletico lad.
Ok I'll go and look. Thanks.
Well lads I didn't want to do this but I'll take one for the team. Im going to have to sleep with Edurne Garcia. Thank me later.
Agreed thing is the back 4 arent great,Jones and Shaw have injury issues,we also need a right back.I don't see why we cant build a strong defence over time,we seem to have the money and we are Manchester United.
I just want this shit to end asap,it is boring
It will probably go on until deadline day to be fair.
As long as we secure the replacement ie Cech, Lloris or Leno early, then we can play hard ball and potentially get a good fee. If they don't want to pay up, then he can sit in the reserves for a year.
I'm beginning to think that this could well be a possibility.
We already have Valdes so perhaps LVG is thinking that he can wait to get a replacement for De Gea (if he leaves), in January. Obviously on Sept 1st, if De Gea decides to stay, then no money would have been wasted on a new GK.
Madrid already have a decent (not the best) GK, so could allow this saga to continue until deadline day.
There is an issue though - if this goes to Sept 1st, and De Gea has played in the CL qualifier, will he be cup-tied, for CL games, for Real Madrid?
think this will be sorted pretty fast tbh. within a few weeks.
If he does leave as seems likely...I for one will wish him the best. We will be fine...
If he does leave as seems likely...I for one will wish him the best. We will be fine...
At least our ex players aren't running him down on live tv.
some people handle these things very poorly. I blame the agent....PR is part of an agent's job.
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