De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season

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ottosec said:
I don't see what's the problem with what I said? His first year was clearly shit, obviously you can never know, but with a better keeper we probably would have won the title(it was the season where we lost because of GD), second season he obviously started improving but he was still dodgy coming out for crosses and decision making was still not the best.
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It really, really wasn't. You're crazy if you believe that or have managed to make yourself believe it.

He was a bit shaky at the beginning, but nowhere near as bad as the media was portraying it (they were ruthless with him), and he wasn't losing us any points. Any shaky costly moments were made up for with some exceptional saves, right from the first few months. He started being more consistent second half of that year, and I'd say by his second year here he was already a very solid goalkeeper. 3rd and 4th year were world class displays.
 
JPRouve said:
He started improving after new year.
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Do you mean in the first year? I don't think that's true.

He was dropped after he fecked up in the game we lost against Blackburn(I think the game was played on New Year), then Lindegaard started pretty much every game, DDG only managed to get back in the team because Lindegaard got injured around February and missed the reminder of the season.
 
JustAFan said:
We started trying last summer maybe even before. Takes TWO to make a contract. Silly to think we just let his contract slip through the cracks. He just has not been willing to sign an extension.
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Exactly, and if he goes, thanks for the good times, but he will be a player who preferred to go to another club, I would wish him no harm,
but would not be interested in how he does, I never get the love in for players who chose to leave United.

He doesn't owe us anything, it seems he prefers to be elsewhere for the next stage of his career, and if I was playing for any other club in the world and United wanted me, I would crawl to OT, so I understand the desire he might have to play for Real, but that doesn't mean I have any interest when he leaves United.
 
FFS DDG has always been a good keeper for us even in his 1st season. I remember people rating him as one of best young keeper in the league/Europe ever since he arrived here. Make no mistake the only disappointment or low point over his united career is the dognut incident. Apart from that he is getting better everyday and has been absolutely world class this season.
 
RedRonaldo said:
FFS DDG has always been a good keeper for us even in his 1st season. I remember people rating him as one of best young keeper in the league/Europe ever since he arrived here. Make no mistake the only disappointment or low point over his united career is the dognut incident. Apart from that he is getting better everyday and has been absolutely world class this season.
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No need to get upset. Now that he's most likely leaving people start to re-write history
 
A lot of people on here (me included) thought he was good from day 1 - but yes he made mistakes. If you say he was "clearly shit" in his first season you're a fecking idiot because he wasn't - he made some excellent saves and some mistakes. He got a lot of stick from the media though - they had decided he was shit so every thing he did was magnified - namely his ability under a high ball. Basically he wasn't even that bad under it - just average or below average (which of course for Man Utd wasnt good enough), but he wasn't shit. Anyone who knows football could tell you he had an absolute mountain of potential from day 1.
 
royboy16 said:
DDG did alright replacing Edwin and he had no premier experience..
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It took him years to properly replace him. He had to be nurtured. Was basically the most talented keeper in the world when bought. United can't do that again. Buy another keeper that isn't the finished article as soon as the previous one has just come good.
 
pretty livid about his impending departure to be honest.

I'd be taking a long hard look at our policy for taking young continental players from now on, if we are going to do all the hard work and frickin real Madrid to come along and take them when they are developed!
 
Adding a neutral view to De Gea's first season: I remember he was always seen as a great shot stopper with fantastic reflexes in his first season BUT he was incredibly dodgy with aerial balls during that time before he got used to the league and bulked up. I remember in that season he was as close to a liability as United had and some teams actually targeted him by lifting high balls into his area.
 
Only thing we need to learn from this is not to allow your best players to run into the final 2 years of their contract. We did it twice with Rooney and got very lucky we didn't end up having to sell him on the cheap.

Arsenal have suffered from this too.

City and Chelsea the only ones with sense to tie down their best players to long term contracts.
 
The Purist said:
Adding a neutral view to De Gea's first season: I remember he was always seen as a great shot stopper with fantastic reflexes in his first season BUT he was incredibly dodgy with aerial balls during that time before he got used to the league and bulked up. I remember in that season he was as close to a liability as United had and some teams actually targeted him by lifting high balls into his area.
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He was targeted with long range shots as well, as that was perceived to be his other biggest weakness. Wasn't there some stat floating about that he's conceded more goals from outside the box than any other goalkeeper in la Liga the year before he joined? I dunno if that turned out to be true, but he let in that Dzeko potshot against City in the Community Shield, and another against West Brom, an angled shot from the edge of the box, and then that stuff about shots from distance came out.

I remember the game after that against Spurs where Harry Redknapp said he was going to try and exploit United's weakness, and it seemed that every time Van Der Vaart got the ball, he took a shot, from a ridiculous angle or distance. I think they had about 25 shots at goal in all. United won 3-0, if I remember rightly. Tactical genius from Harry.
 
I always had the (incorrect) perception that we were clear of Madrid's clutches due to DDG's connection with Atletico. :lol: My, my, how wrong was I indeed. Wishful thinking on my part I guess.
 
The Purist said:
Adding a neutral view to De Gea's first season: I remember he was always seen as a great shot stopper with fantastic reflexes in his first season BUT he was incredibly dodgy with aerial balls during that time before he got used to the league and bulked up. I remember in that season he was as close to a liability as United had and some teams actually targeted him by lifting high balls into his area.
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This is the reason why several (including myself) are a bit bitter about the whole saga. He definitely wasnt the finished product when we signed him, but we stuck with him through a shaky start - and now he seems prepared to just run his contract down so he can force a move or even leave on a free otherwise. He hasnt been open or transparent about the situation in the slightest and hasnt recognised the fans who have given him more love than he is likely to see in 10 years at Real.

The Ronaldo comparison has been said before but it is worth repeating - Ronaldo was honest about his intentions and ambitions, and signed a new deal to ensure the club got a fair price for him. The vast majority of fans accepted his decision and appreciated his honesty, and would welcome him back to the club (see the reception he got at Old Trafford for example). How De Gea is handling the situation is basically the polar opposite and it doesnt sit well - at least not for me.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
He was targeted with long range shots as well, as that was perceived to be his other biggest weakness. Wasn't there some stat floating about that he's conceded more goals from outside the box than any other goalkeeper in la Liga the year before he joined? I dunno if that turned out to be true, but he let in that Dzeko potshot against City in the Community Shield, and another against West Brom, an angled shot from the edge of the box, and then that stuff about shots from distance came out.

I remember the game after that against Spurs where Harry Redknapp said he was going to try and exploit United's weakness, and it seemed that every time Van Der Vaart got the ball, he took a shot, from a ridiculous angle or distance. I think they had about 25 shots at goal in all. United won 3-0, if I remember rightly. Tactical genius from Harry.
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The shot was from well inside the box and went in off the far post. Because, in the absence of defenders, the keeper has to cover his near post, it's a shot that you'd expect to go in at least 9 times out of 10. How the media (and hence the Caf) decided it was a mistake has always been beyond me. (Although the Caf does have a habit of parroting commentator comments ad nauseum until they become the accepted truth.)
 
Walrus said:
The Ronaldo comparison has been said before but it is worth repeating - Ronaldo was honest about his intentions and ambitions, and signed a new deal to ensure the club got a fair price for him. The vast majority of fans accepted his decision and appreciated his honesty, and would welcome him back to the club (see the reception he got at Old Trafford for example). How De Gea is handling the situation is basically the polar opposite and it doesnt sit well - at least not for me.
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Where is this "Ronaldo signed a new deal so we can get more money" bullshit coming from? He signed a new contract 2,5 years before leaving and he certainly didn't sign it so that the club can get more money. :lol:

Also, there can't be any comparition with him and DDG:

- one wants to leave to play in his home town, where his friends, family and long term girlfriend live for a club that has more money, more glamour and a team much better than ours at this time

- the other wanted to leave from a club that was probably the best in the world at that time, that was playing in a league that was giving at least 3 semifinalist every year in the CL, had won 3 pl titles on the throat and made 2 consecutive CL finals to a club that was in Barca's shadow in the league and that failed to get past the last 16th in CL for quite a few years.
 
ravelston said:
The shot was from well inside the box and went in off the far post. Because, in the absence of defenders, the keeper has to cover his near post, it's a shot that you'd expect to go in at least 9 times out of 10. How the media (and hence the Caf) decided it was a mistake has always been beyond me. (Although the Caf does have a habit of parroting commentator comments ad nauseum until they become the accepted truth.)
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I'd have to see a replay of it, but I remember it being soft at the time, as I'm sure it went under him similar to the Dzeko goal, and it just seemed to add fuel to the fire the media had started that De Gea was a liability.

But pundits were even calling some of his saves which he parried instead of catching cleanly as mistakes, which was incredibly OTT. It was pretty intense the amount of attention De Gea had on him in that first 6 months or so. I can't remember any other player ever being under such an amount of surveillance and scrutiny.
 
legball said:
And so? If we didn't sign Ronaldo and signed someone else, we still would have been successful.
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Who? Which other player could we have signed that would have brought us the success of Ronaldo's last years. I'll answer for you, no one.

;)
 
@ottosec look bud, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Everyone knew that Ronaldo would end up back in Madrid some day, much like everyone expected De Gea to one day head back to Spain, however the difference between how the two have handled the situation is night and day. Ronaldo treated the club and the supporters with respect. If you read Sir Alex Ferguson's autobiography you will see as much.
 
So what has De Gea done to not show the supporters respect? De Gea isn't really in aposition to say "I'm off" because as of now, he isn't. United could refuse to do any business with Madrid this summer and let him go for nothing next season. As far as we know, no price has been agreed. De Gea comes across as a good professional, and if it turns out he stays with us for another year (and either leaves for free, or signs an extension with a release clause) then I think he is professional enough to go along with that. I think he's right to be saying nothing at all until there is something concrete to say.

Unless De Gea starts kicking up a stink, using his agent as his mouthpiece or whatever, I don't think we have anything to be upset with him about.

Besides, Ronaldo was giving it that whole "god only knows the future" stuff for a couple of years before he left. I wouldn't call that total honesty. After playing with Portugal at Euro 2008, he said in a post match interview "I love playing in all white". He did an interview just before the Champions League final in Rome, where he said he was staying, but he left a few weeks later. Not sure how that is better than De Gea deflecting questions and letting the clubs sort it out.
 
Walrus said:
@ottosec look bud, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Everyone knew that Ronaldo would end up back in Madrid some day, much like everyone expected De Gea to one day head back to Spain, however the difference between how the two have handled the situation is night and day. Ronaldo treated the club and the supporters with respect. If you read Sir Alex Ferguson's autobiography you will see as much.
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http://news.sky.com/story/618226/ronaldo-i-am-a-slave-at-united
 
Walrus said:
@ottosec look bud, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Everyone knew that Ronaldo would end up back in Madrid some day, much like everyone expected De Gea to one day head back to Spain, however the difference between how the two have handled the situation is night and day. Ronaldo treated the club and the supporters with respect. If you read Sir Alex Ferguson's autobiography you will see as much.
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:lol:
 
Nozzy said:
Who? Which other player could we have signed that would have brought us the success of Ronaldo's last years. I'll answer for you, no one.

;)
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I wouldn't say that. It's all conjecture at this point, but we do need to keep our best players, it's really that simple, that's how elite clubs roll.
 
If Lloris is the replacement, I can't help but feel that Levy will manage to get more for him than what we get for DDG.
 
I really hope Ed fights Madrid like a mad dog over this, demand top money, insist on one of their top players in return, if they say no just ignore their phone calls and refuse to do business, ultimately if they want DDG enough they'll give us what we want.

What's the worst that can happen? To still have DDG for our CL playoff games, and at least the rest of next season, no too bad if you ask me. The money we would get is lose-able especially as DDG would be on his lower wage still next season.

We can't just bend over for them on this one.
 
legball said:
I wouldn't say that. It's all conjecture at this point, but we do need to keep our best players, it's really that simple, that's how elite clubs roll.
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I'll agree with that point but WHO, which player could we have signed other than Ronaldo, that would have had anything like a similar impact?
 
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I came across an article by Nani who said Ed Woodward texts him, maybe De Gea will be given a top secret mission of tapping up Real Madrid's best players.
 
Judge Red said:
If Lloris is the replacement, I can't help but feel that Levy will manage to get more for him than what we get for DDG.
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Most definitely.
The fact that Lloris, just last year, signed a 5-year contract extension despite already making noises about wanting to play in the CL proves to me that DDG could at the very least do the same here to ensure we get a proper fee. Whether or not he loses money by doing so (foregoing a higher sign-on fee) is irrelevant, it's fairly normal behaviour and if we're forced to take a meagre fee because of DDG/Mendes' tactics, he will rightly drop in the esteem of many fans.
 
Insanity said:
Wow! You are making it sound as if he is leaving some relegation fodder to join the champions. Madrid won as many trophies as we did last season - ZERO. And if you look up the record books for the last 10 years, I am sure we would have won more than they have in that period. We are not Spurs or Liverpool, who have no chance to make their mark in the league or the champions league. We have spent 235m pounds since Fergie retired and plan to spend another 150m this summer. There is every chance that we could be back challenging if we get the signings right. Madrid also is not some stable club, they just canned their manager and appointed another one; an appointment which can go either way.

I am baffled why would a United fan would want to sell ourselves short like that. They aren't miles ahead of us.

May be he wants to "go home", I can buy that bullshit, but "career progression"? That's freaking nonsense.
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As a club they aren't miles ahead of us but as a team? I think they definitely are. You can point to the past ten years all you like, I'm on about the short-medium term future.

Look at it this way: maybe the only one of our players who would get into the current Madrid side will indeed be joining Madrid in the summer. Also it's not like Madrid are going to be holding back on spending money either, they can keep improving too.

Finishing second in La Liga and getting into the semi finals of the CL was deemed a failure for Ancelotti, finishing fourth and getting into the CL qualifiers was seen as a good job by LVG. That says something about where our teams currently are. We have a very long way to go and it's not like LVG has totally proven himself here either.

Maybe we will quickly return to the top of European football but Madrid are definitely there or thereabouts right now.
 
Nozzy said:
I'll agree with that point but WHO, which player could we have signed other than Ronaldo?
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I've never said we should not have signed Ronaldo. I'm saying, these days, we can review how we sign, the age, nationality etc.
 
Nozzy said:
Who? Which other player could we have signed that would have brought us the success of Ronaldo's last years. I'll answer for you, no one.

;)
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Ronaldinho, though he was starting to wane around 08.
 
sullydnl said:
As a club they aren't miles ahead of us but as a team? I think they definitely are. You can point to the past ten years all you like, I'm on about the short-medium term future.

Look at it this way: maybe the only one of our players who would get into the current Madrid side will indeed be joining Madrid in the summer. Also it's not like Madrid are going to be holding back on spending money either, they can keep improving too.

Finishing second in La Liga and getting into the semi finals of the CL was deemed a failure for Ancelotti, finishing fourth and getting into the CL qualifiers was seen as a good job by LVG. That says something about where our teams currently are. We have a very long way to go and it's not like LVG has totally proven himself here either.

Maybe we will quickly return to the top of European football but Madrid are definitely there or thereabouts right now.
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You can say the same about Benitez. Real Madrid didn't finish 7th last season, they were European champions, and as a matter of fact, they were expected to rightly win the league this season. They won nothing. People harp on about how they win things but are we talking currently or when, they haven't really won that much in recent times.
 
I'm gonna be laughed at but we should have signed Hart or Lloris when we had the opportunity.
 
legball said:
You can say the same about Benitez. Real Madrid didn't finish 7th last season, they were European champions, and as a matter of fact, they were expected to rightly win the league this season. They won nothing. People harp on about how they win things but are we talking currently or when, they haven't really won that much in recent times.
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Their set up is far less centered on the manager than ours is though. I'd hate to think of the mess we'd be in if we changed managers as often as they do....

Anyway, I'm not on about what they've won in recent times, I'm on about what they're likely to win in the coming few years. As is you'd have to say it will be more than we do given they have a far better team and are about to sign our best player.
 
Obviously we should sell him. It's obvious at this point he's leaving, either this year or next year. He will need to be replaced. We're better of doing that this year with the £30m at our disposal rather than next year without it. Also, selling DDG now might give us leverage for some of the many Madrid players we're apparently interested in.

DDG is good but not so good that one last season with him is worth £25-30m.
 
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