I think it's just a speculation and they dont really know why DDG didnt renew. And I think he didnt renew cause he wanted to go to Madrid (although he could have still renewed so we can get a nice fee). As for alienated players RVP is the only one that springs to mind. Might be wrong of course.
De Gea Contract Situation
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He is injured, Voetbal International breaks just about any transfer regarding Dutch players and they've never even linked Cillessen to United. Cillessen himself denied any contact with MUFC saying he extended his contract for a reason. Ajax isn't keen on selling either as their backup goalkeeper isn't great. I don't think we'll buy Cillessen at all if de Gea goes, he isn't ready yet.
I think this is the most important reason we won't buy him this season (if ever). He's only played for Ajax as a starter for a year and a half.
This is LVG's standard line.
All players were told this when he first arrived at the club.
And when new players arrive, they are told this.
Some big names at Bayern did not like this - but LVG stated clearly that all players, no matter how big their name is, will start from zero and will need to prove themselves.
De Gea (and every MUFC player) knows this.
De Gea also knows that when fit, he played every game for us last year. He also knows that when fit, De Gea has played in our pre-season tour.
LVG has not changed his stance at all - business as usual.
So MARCA seem very optimistic that de Gea is going to end up joining Madrid this summer. Would be a big disappointment if he moves now and our defense will be exposed for how mediocre they really are.
It's obvious why this is so. It's his way of keeping De Gea on his toes and sharp. It's also his way of notifying players that if you don't perform, someone will take your place. I don't see a problem with it and it's the way it should be. When players become complacent that's when trouble starts.
I understand, motivating these players is an important part of getting their best performances & commitment. But is there a way for the manager to do it that preserves his relationship with the players?
You sounded like you know about LvG like the back of your hand. But then what you said there have so much flaws:
1. "When fit you will start every game" is definitely very different from "everyone including big names will start from zero".
2. In any squad and in every club there must be some players who are sure starters when fit (not injured) unless they are left out for political reasons or fallen out of favour with the manager. Your comments are flawed on so many levels.
3. It is one thing when LvG told all players on training ground and dressing room "all of you need to fight your place", but it's quite another he's making public announcement pinpointing certain player!
It's almost daft when you do that unless you want to serve a particular purpose. In my opinion no positive purpose can be served for the wellness of the team and the club by announcing to the media "DDG, you can be easily replaced by Romero"
It's obviously quite non sensical! Unless you know something behind close door that we don't know of, why would DDG need to be kept on his toes specifically when nothing has shown on the pitch he's doing a bad job and not taking his spot seriously!!!!
What evidence showing DDG needs that kind of warning, rather than simply a general statement "all my players need to fight for their places"???
"‘With me always the best shall be in the line-up. So you have to fight for that place."
I dont see where he said DDG needs to be on his toes.
Where does it say there that De Gea will be easily replaced by Romero?
Read the quotes. Van Gaal was asked about Romero specifically and he says they have to fight for their place. If Fergie had said the same thing you wouldn't have had any problem with it.
Watch the video here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...igning-Sergio-Romero-nod.html#v-4377055956001
People on here were jumping to LvG's defence and suggested that the reason why LvG said what he said was so as to keep DDG on his toes and I disagree DDG needs to be told like that. I think you should put your question to posters suggesting that, not targeting me!
Well Fergie would not have daft things like this to the media in the first place would he? I've watched what he said and what was written and base my opinion on what I saw he said. In a way I am not really challenging him saying things, but his media performance has left something to be desired. It's his style but he really needs to be told he does not need to feed the media each and every question he's asked and in such an extended way that can be misunderstood by his players or fans. If you're happy how he conducts his media appearance fine, but please don't come lecturing me how I feel when I back myself up with reasons and why I felt that way. I maybe biased sometimes but all football fans are biased.
I can't agree more! Its a bit like parenting I think. While you want your children to excel and command them to do what you want, you also don't want to dent your children's confidence so you would give them encouragement from time to time so they know you care.
In RvP's case it's borderline a betrayal I believe. Since they are both Dutch, there's no way communication has been misinterpreted or broken. LvG is called an iron tulip for a reason I guess. He's not just ruthless. He maybe even heartless and does not do loyalty. I think even modern football should treasure loyalty. It will pay dividends eventually most of the time. But that's just me thinking as an outsider
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I'm finding myself back in the £25m would be enough, i don't want a player in our team who would rather be elsewhere. He is our best player though so it would be a blow, but hopefully we have a few targets we find adequate enough to become our new first choice.
Iron Tulip, surely?
Not defending him but I honestly don't think that LVG sounds heartless or is a disloyal person. In fact, I believe he's the opposite. His frank ways seem to rub some people up the wrong way and that's fair enough, but I don't think that suggests' he's disloyal etc.
As for being ruthless, sadly it's the way it has to be at the top.
As for RVP, what should Louis have done with him? On his wages and no doubt wanting to be on the team sheet all the time, he needed to produce on a consistent basis. He did it for one season and then went awol for the next two seasons whilst taking home over £200,000 per week. In the manager's position, surely you have to let him go?
No one really knows what happened behind the door. From what is reported and how RvP was unveiled at Fenerbahçe and his not mentioning LvG in his thanking note, I suspect there wasn't much going on behind close door and LvG has not handled his exit well. That's among evidence of disregards of of loyalty I am talking about.
Recently LvG has mentioned something about RvP when he said he has to make decisions who have contribute towards last season, and who has not, explicitly indicating RvP's lack of contribution, without mentioning his injury spell and why he was left on bench when he's fit and ready. Anyway, I like RvP and do feel justice has not been done to him in his exit. I don't for one moment believe LvG has the gut (maybe he's too busy) to sit RvP down to discuss his future. That's not right and I think he made enemy this way.
From the professionalism shown by De Gea I think he will perform to his high standards this year if kept, I really think this is now on us to show Real we will not be bullied ask what we want or wait a year.
I know you don't like the bloke, but that's uncalled for.
I don't doubt his professionalism, the euros is also coming up so he would have to perfom. I just think we could use this year grooming a new goalkeeper into the club, instead of keeping a player who will go in a year.
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Its wrong to say I don't like him. I am critical because I want him to be better!
From Van Gaal's comments, I think he's off by the first game of the season.
And Ramos is staying, so that's shit.
And Ramos is staying, so that's shit.
Heartless? My god,you really dont like the guy....
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Its wrong to say I don't like him. I am critical because I want him to be better!
Sorry but some of your comments regarding him are really OTT imo.
But this thread has derailed a bit so lets stick to the subject.
With Ramos staying, let's hope David stays for a year and breaks up with his gf in the meanwhile.
If he is on his way, we need a replacement ASAP, and not our latest signing who looks a bit dodgy. I suppose Van Gaal has someone in mind.
If ramos is staying we shouldnt let him go by any means.
I don't think Dave is going unless they offer us £30M plus. No way is Woodward going to lose face like that. He can't back down now after the stance he took. Would be bad for him when dealing with others as they'll think they only have to call his bluff and then he'll crumble. There's no way a ruthless ex-banker like Woodward is going to allow that to happen imo.
When you remove the emotion and disappointment, there is no point keeping him and losing him on a free, unless the offers are really derisory.
They will get their man.
Real's squad is actually insane. You couldn't buy it for a £1bn at market rates.
They will get their man.
Real's squad is actually insane. You couldn't buy it for a £1bn at market rates.
So you don't know what happened behind closed doors yet you feel informed enough to blame it on LVG, real objective way of looking things btw. How about we stick to what we saw and do know which is RVP was a high earner who, for two years hadn't performed to his billing and was possibly unwilling to play a less prominent role. How would you have handled it in his position?
But their offer is derisory which is why we took that stance in the first instance. United would not hold on to a player who doesn't want to be there. It's the way Madrid went about the whole thing that's no doubt pissed off the United directors. They quite rightly need to stop Madrid from taking the piss. It's not only about De Gea, it's about how United is perceived, and warning them off of any underhand crap in case we groom another 'star' that they want to go after.
So in your opinion its good business when you buy Di Maria and sold him at a loss without even giving him another go? In a public football forum, everyone is discussing on the basis of what's available in the public domain (although I do know personally some insider people who tell me things it is not fair to talk about them openly). It is unfortunate in the past two seasons RvP was not able to contribute as much as we like but it really doesn't mean that he should be sold in such a manner. What has Rooney for example has done to warrant his position and be our captain after SAF retired? Before you lot bombard me here, I am not bashing Rooney but I am giving you an example how little you know. For example what made you say RvP has been unwilling to play a less prominent role and why it is wise to sell him? I do not see it is good business and the squad would definitely improve without RvP. Let see if we can improve next season from 4th spot. But I am not confident we would be challenging title coming season. The players have so much to adapt to and as far as LvG's MO goes, you can't guarantee there is no more Di Maria situation. United has never behaved like a bottomless poctket but we have spent the most so far and yet we are not sure we have a winning team. Only time will tell
I'd rather lose him for nothing and let him rot on the bench than sell him to Madrid. If we give in and sell him without getting Ramos/Bale/Ronaldo/whoever, we lose face. Better to lose 20m we don't need.
He wants to go because he does not want to stay, correct? Is there any reasons you can think of why this is so? I mentioned before it is too bad there is no chemistry between him and the manager, but that is a mild way of putting it. An expensive player was bought for good reason, and as a club they should try their best to make things work and not just selling them at a minimal loss. My thinking is, there is no love lost between the two and it's so sad. I am not totally blaming LvG because hes a proud man but I can imagine he's part of the reasons why his players want out. A diligent manager would try his best to do what he can with his available players, not selling and buying and openly announcing we need a big name player with little regards of current players feeling. What do you think of this kind of management skill?
Just to gently point out that Di Maria is the one that wants to go.......
I don't want to derail the thread any further so I'll just finish by saying this, these players are supposed to be 'elite' sportsmen - they should have a backbone and not need to have a manager 'baby' them and protect them from every criticism. This is my personal belief - I've got no patience for that kind of thing. Being at the top is brutal so they need to deal with what comes with that. Whether you like your boss or not, you must be professional and no matter what has gone on, the club pays him shitloads to be professional.
Furthermore, I would say that you need to go back and listen/read Di Maria's interviews when he's been asked about the transfer to United and PSG's interest - it was obvious then he would have preferred to go to PSG. His heart was never here so what's the point of wasting any more effort with him?
For what it's worth, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but I think you're being a bit unreasonable when it comes to LVG. Everyone has faults mate.
I can't link the articles but RVP gave some interviews in which he indicated that he was not ready to play a lesser role just yet and it's difficult to justify paying him that much when he is on the bench. One could ague that he could have been given a chance to fight for his place but it's clear that the decision was made long back to go with Rooney and prolonging the inevitable would have caused unnecessary distractions. If Rooney fails, we all know what's going to happen.
The Di Maria fiasco is a perfect case study on how to avoid making business decisions for the wrong reasons but it could also be explained away as a project that's gone horribly wrong. I don't see why LVG could be blamed for Di Maria's weak mentality and unprofessionalism. What was he to do? Cuddle him when the shit hit the fan or do exactly what he did- look out for the needs of the whole squad by playing in form players ahead of him? Change the weather in Manchester or reduce the crime rate in Manchester?
On the RVP issue, both he and Rooney have declined somewhat and it's clear that we could not play both and economics dictated that we could not keep both and strengthen the squad. The decision was apparently made to go with Rooney who is younger, less injury prone, more versatile and has done more for this club both overally and in more recent times.
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