Pretty sure we'll end up taking navas as part of the deal. May even end up being straight swap
De Gea Contract Situation
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The math... is difficult.
If you fix the price we have to pay for a replacement at £25M, the only difference (eg our cost of keeping DDG) is the £25M we lose by letting him leave on a free after this season. Not £50M, as you seem to believe (you've decided in your calculation that we not only miss out on the £25M of a sale, we also lose an additional £25M for some reason).
Edit: In case you didn't understand your mistake, I've showed you the correct calculation below:
We pay Madrid to take de Gea on a free.
Ah yes, I completely overlooked that aspect. We obviously do, as we should!
It's a delta, the delta between selling now or not selling, is 50m.
This reminds me of those reddit threads, "that's not how math works" (singular math, since they're American).Not sure if serious...
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Not sure what I've gotten myself into here, to be honest!
I just want him gone at this point. Just swallow our pride and move him on, his presence is just a hindrance to the squad now that the season has begun.
How on earth did you pass Maths exams?
If you lose an asset that worth 25m for 0m, you lose 25m and if you replace that asset by an another asset for 25m you lose 25m, at the end you lose 50m.
Who said they did ?
See reply from @Revan directly above.
It's worse than that. Difference is actually £100m
De Gea £25M - Replacement £25M = £50M
No De Gea -£25M - Replacement -£25M = -£50M.
De Gea £25M - Replacement £25M = £50M
No De Gea -£25M - Replacement -£25M = -£50M.
As I said to the other poster, Madrid haven't (and don't seem to want to) offered 25mil...
I think the point JPRouce is trying to make is in terms of economics.
If you have the opportunity to sell him right now (for 25 Million) but you chose not to and let him go on a free, you are losing 25 million pounds in this scenario. He's taking an economics approach to it.
Think of it this way, our new replacement can either be covered by the De Gea fee and cost us zero
OR
Our new replacement will cost us 25 million and an asset worth 25 million.
However, I think the figures are slightly off and De Gea staying here for a year might earn us some money by winning trophies here.
hope @Revan and @Jed I. Knight understand now.
If you have the opportunity to sell him right now (for 25 Million) but you chose not to and let him go on a free, you are losing 25 million pounds in this scenario. He's taking an economics approach to it.
Think of it this way, our new replacement can either be covered by the De Gea fee and cost us zero
OR
Our new replacement will cost us 25 million and an asset worth 25 million.
However, I think the figures are slightly off and De Gea staying here for a year might earn us some money by winning trophies here.
hope @Revan and @Jed I. Knight understand now.
@Revan While I disagree with Vidic, you potentially lose 25m twice. Well you lose 25m and you invest 25m.
I think that regardless how you look at it, is wrong.
If we sell De Gea for 25m and spend 25m on a new keeper, we don't spend nothing.
If we lose De Gea on free next season, and spend 25m in a new keeper we spend 25m, so lose 25m.
The only wariable changing there is getting 25m from De Gea, or getting nothing from him. We are losing 25m from his replacement regardless of what happens with De Gea, but if we sell De Gea we compensate for that, if we lose on free we just lose that money.
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The question is, is it better to keep De Gea for this season and so lose 25m from his sale (actually, the only offer we have got was 13m or so) and 3m on wages for a total of 28m (in reality, 16m), or keep De Gea for an another season and lose him for nothing? On other words, is a season from De Gea worthy 28m and an another year of being able to scout for a new keeper? If De Gea plays as last year, I would say that without a shadow of doubt, he is that much worthy.
No... again. We're losing an asset worth 25 million for zero pounds so we're losing 25 million of the De Gea money we would've potentially gained. It's basic economics.
Revan you just broke my mind....
De Gea at the moment worth something on the market, he isn't a 0m asset. Next summer he will worth 0m, though.
Economics is nuts then.
Bank account difference will be 25m, not 50m. But we will have a top keeper for an another year, and the time to choose his replacement better.
What the hell have i read on this last page. Absolute nonsense
Yes and we haven't figured out the "value" of that which is why the figures might be wrong. I do think keeping De Gea would be worth it.
What the hell have i read on this last page. Absolute nonsense
Some guy posted a basic economics principle and a bunch of other posters laughed at him because they didn't understood it.
Yes. He is worth 25m (assuming that Madrid offers that much). So selling De Gea now or losing De Gea in free, one year from now has a difference of 25m (plus his wages).
Signing a keeper for 25m if we sell De Dea or signing a keeper for 25m if we don't see De Gea has a difference of nought.
I feel like I just got a hangover reading it.What the hell have i read on this last page. Absolute nonsense
So, I have a car I value at ten grand. But it turns out I only get five grand for it when I sell it. That's a five grand loss (clearly). I then buy a new car, paying ten grand for it. Total cost of that car: 15 grand.
If, on the other hand, I value my car at minus five grand, get five grand for it, and buy a new one for ten grand – well! The new car is – actually – free.
If, on the other hand, I value my car at minus five grand, get five grand for it, and buy a new one for ten grand – well! The new car is – actually – free.
No we understood it, and understood that it doesn't apply
It does apply. It's not even that complicated. I'm not even an economics major but they teach you this in like the basic economics classes.
Think you may be onto something here
Do you clowns talk like this in real life?
We are just trying to break Revan's mind aren't we? No one's actually serious?
No it doesn't, unless you ignore the intangibles.
Well I'm sorry you don't understand. It's no rocket science. Anyway, I thought I'd step in because a majority of the posters were posting green smileys to a post that was more or less correct.
No, no and fecking no.. Please someone tell me that it is a 'let's make Revan go nuts' conspiracy.
The difference between sellind De Gea or not is: De Gea value for one season + wages we save on a keeper for one season - the offer we get from Madrid - wages we spend on De Gea.
Assuming that the offer we get is 20m, we'll spend 20m on Cillessen with 5m wages, we pay De Gea 3m and De Gea for one season is worth 10m (I would say that last season he was whatever money we'll get from UCL so around 30m), the difference on keeping De Gea or not is:
10m + 5m - 20m - 3m = -8m
So, we'll lose 8m on keeping De Gea for an another season. That doesn't take into account that we will have an another year of scouting for a better keeper (lets arbitrarily value at 5m). So, on this variables, the total cost would be around 3m losses.
Obviously, if De Gea is the difference between getting top 4 or not, then we would do well to keep him cause he would be worthy 30m (instead of 10m) in that scenario.
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