I'm sorry but didn't you say he wouldn't be ready?
De Gea Contract Situation
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I'm sorry but didn't you say he wouldn't be ready?
There might have been an agreement between SAF and Ronaldo that he would let him go if someone paid a lot for him. Ronaldo always wanted to play for Madrid someday, so I don't think he would have signed that new contract if he didn't trust that SAF would let him go at some point.
Now you mention it....Fergie, Jose, Chelsea football club and Wayne Rooney....How could you trust any of them?!
To be fair, we have made bids for several players without encouragement from the player's camp/agent etc. Eric being a prime example
It's happened before but, as I said, you can't trust the word of anyone involved in the Rooney situation.Not really Sults. We payed for Young 18m pounds who was in the last year of contract, and 12m or so for Kagawa.
De Gea is a far superior player to any of them, and United has far stronger finances than Villa/BVB. United doesn't mind paying top money for the players they want, while Madrid is not offerin money. I really can't see us leaving De Gea go for less than 30m pounds. Unlike Gill/SAF, Woodward is playing the game differently and it seems that his mission is to make United 'the biggest club in the world in popularity, prestige and finances'. That won't happen by being Madrid's feeder club. At the same time, Glazers haven't ever been for dividents, but more for the value of the club in stock exchange.
On other words, this is now a pissing contest, and while Madrid usually wins them, I think that Ed is determined to change things. Madrid will ultimately win here (be it getting De Gea nor or next season), but I think that the idea is to make it as difficult as possible for them (remember they care for PR more than any other club, so not being able to get a player who is from Madrid and who is in the last year of contract will be bad for Perez) so the next time we hae a great player, they won't target it.
Otamendi is not in his last year of contract. De Gea has not put us in a terrible situation. He is only doing what's best for himself.
When should he have renewed the contract? He still had a few years left when SAF left, and there's no way we'd get him to sign an extension during the Moyes year.
Fair, but when you consider the media reports that all came out at the same time about him being angry and confused, especially after Moyes innocent comments, it was evident they were briefed by his camp..and in recent years, especially with such public bids, the player obviously knowsNow you mention it....Fergie, Jose, Chelsea football club and Wayne Rooney....How could you trust any of them?!
To be fair, we have made bids for several players without encouragement from the player's camp/agent etc. Eric being a prime example
I really hope we get Ramos out of this deal
Darmian-Smalling-Ramos-Shaw. Best in the league easily
Darmian-Smalling-Ramos-Shaw. Best in the league easily
Personally, with a player who developed in the way he did, I'd have said anywhere from around 3 years out. His old deal wouldn't have reflected his status in the squad anyway. We've always been pretty proactive with renewing deals. At his age and with his ability saving a few million here or there by renewing later on is a bit of a false economy when weighed against the risk we're now bang in the middle of.
But as I said, I don't know how it got to this point, so it's possible it was outside the club's control.
I mean the hard bargaining of the teams..Valencia used to be low sellers, especially during their financial troubles days..but now, they drive a hard bargain..Considering how we have treated him during his time, its not nice to see..but We will learn a lesson from this..
You really think Woodward is that great a negotiator?
Fellaini,
Di Maria
Falcao
De Gea contract fiasco
5 first team goalkeepers on books
Giving away Nani, RvP, Rafael, and a host of others basically free.
Woodward and the staff should just tell LVG he's left footed
Fellaini is probably Moyes' fault for waiting until the clause expired and £6m loan for Falcao seemed decent at the time
In Fellaini's case Manager requests for a particular player. Woody is the negotiator.
Admittedly it's all hindsight but we already had RvP, Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez, and Wilson. Everyone knew Falcao was just coming back from a serious injury and had just played a few friendlies. We were mugged for a player we never needed.
Overpaid for Di Maria, Fellaini, Shaw and... Falcao was a ridiculous muppet fantasy that went really well. Woody seems to be well respected on here though
He's a muppets hero. He was considered a liability and a figure of hate just 24 Months back.
Football fans eh?
Yep. His way is to splash loads of cash at his latest fantasy. What's so special about that then?
Fair enough, pal. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the £200 - 250million
Woodward's transfers this summer, Romero, Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Darmian, Memphis have all been good prices and bought in a timely manner. Some of the transfers from last season might not have worked out but he's done a good job this year.
I was countering your point that if there was someone who wasn't ready, it'd most likely be the player who joined our club a week prior. From a new league without any preseason games with us or anyone else for that matter. Then you said that was ludicrous as we had Johnstone and Lindegaard available.
Sergio Romero looked okay after a dodgy start. Does that mean we didn't get lucky and dodge a bullet? Would you be happy with him being our first-choice goalkeeper?
Best case scenario: LVG keeps playing the "unfocused" card until the window closes. Then proceeds to treat DDG as any old player - and selects him, because he's clearly our best keeper. DDG decides to make the best of the situation and give us a final season worthy of his talent.
Worst case scenario: LVG decides he doesn't trust DDG, who falls out properly with the manager, the whole thing becomes a hopeless mess.
Some sort of in-between scenario: LVG decides he doesn't want/trust DDG - and we sell him. This scenario may then become somewhat better - or somewhat worse - depending on whether we bring someone in, and also depending on who we bring in.
Unlikely but pretty good scenario: We succeed with our (presumed) plan and manage to get a (first rate) Real player in a swap deal of some description.
Worst case scenario: LVG decides he doesn't trust DDG, who falls out properly with the manager, the whole thing becomes a hopeless mess.
Some sort of in-between scenario: LVG decides he doesn't want/trust DDG - and we sell him. This scenario may then become somewhat better - or somewhat worse - depending on whether we bring someone in, and also depending on who we bring in.
Unlikely but pretty good scenario: We succeed with our (presumed) plan and manage to get a (first rate) Real player in a swap deal of some description.
Honestly, DDG is just one major donut chain away from a felony.
Let the soon to be career criminal go.
Let the soon to be career criminal go.
Yes, I think he is a great negotiator.
Fellaini was Moyes fault and Di Maria was his first expensive signing, when we were down and needed a name. I don't think there is a De Gea fiasco, we can't force him to sign. About 5 keepers, in reality is four (Johnstone is a young keeper who has never ever had a match for us) and it will chance in the next couple of weeks. Lindegaard and Valdez will leave one way or another.
I personally don't think he was ever undecided. He got Mendes as his agent shortly before signing for us, and his girlfriend never did move to Manchester knowing he'd be back someday, when Casillas is gone from Real.
Fellaini - Moyes dillydallying and pissing off Everton with his public approach of Baines and Fellaini. They were never going to sell us for a reasonable fee after that.
Di Maria and Falcao - new manager came in which meant we didn't get our targets ironed out till August. Plus we didn't have UCL football and teams around Europe knew we were desperate, especially after we lost the first match.
De Gea contract fiasco - If Madrid don't want to pay a fair fee then what is he suppose to do? You already called him out on "giving players away for free", and now that he is playing hardball you use that against him as well.
5 first team goalkeepers on books - How is this his fault? Lindegaard and Johnstone were here before him. If anything you can blame LVG for falling out with Valdes and hence needing to bring in Romero.
Giving away Nani, RvP, Rafael, and a host of others basically free - Wages, wages wages. We offloaded a lot of wages on players that the manager didn't want. The alternative would have been to keep them around and continue paying them for playing in the reserves or playing for another club on loan.
This has been our first "normal" summer in 2 years, where we haven't had a new manager. Largely he's gotten we've gotten our targets at decent fees and have offloaded players that the manager didn't need.
Image we sell De Gea for 20m and bid on Lloris on the last day, Levi would absolutely murder Ed right there.
As much as I hate Levi, I have to admit he's fecking genius. He managed to make Perez broke the bank for Gareth Bale and didn't accept a penny less for Luka Modric. Bale was never a 80m player and Chelsea had to give up Modric, even though he was their top priority target for at least 1-2 seasons.
I mean damn, how did he even do that. If we had someone like Levi, no club would want to mess us, even in this De Gea' contract fiasco. Either pay the price or feck off.
As much as I hate Levi, I have to admit he's fecking genius. He managed to make Perez broke the bank for Gareth Bale and didn't accept a penny less for Luka Modric. Bale was never a 80m player and Chelsea had to give up Modric, even though he was their top priority target for at least 1-2 seasons.
I mean damn, how did he even do that. If we had someone like Levi, no club would want to mess us, even in this De Gea' contract fiasco. Either pay the price or feck off.
We should've responded to the donut affair with printed t-shirts: "Acquit!"
We missed the chance to bond street style and now must pay the price. Eternal beef.
Went to the shops yesterday.
Bought a loaf of bread for £1
Didn't buy cheese for £2
Didn't buy crackers for £2
Tesco paid me 3 quid ffs. Brilliant!
Yaaawn... Is this not over yet
Fellaini - Blame this one on Moyes and his ridiculous idea about doing the double grab on Everton.
Di Maria - Again, thank Moyes for dropping us out of the UCL. Which means we paid the non UCL tax + usual United tax + form of his life = big fee.
Falcao - How can you blame Woodward for Falcao being shite? Do we blame Gill for all the dross that Fergie signed, particularly in the latter years? And Falcao at least came with a massive reputation; his wages were commensurate with someone considered one of Europe's top strikers.
De Gea - Should we have tied DDG to a chair and forced him to sign? He's clearly not had any intention to renew with us for a long period of time now. There's plenty of reports that we offered him a contract as far back as last summer, and he refused to sign it. Reportedly, we're ready to make him the highest paid GK in the world, yet he doesn't sign. How is that United/Woodward's fault and not DDG's?
GK situation - Woodward's fault again that Valdes threw a strop and behaved like a dick? Or that LVG doesn't rate Lindegaard at all (hence not playing him); actually it seems like noone rates Lindegaard, as I'm sure we'd have been listening to offers for him ever since LVG arrived.
Nani/RVP/Rafael - Firstly, when have we ever sold players for significant amounts? This has extended back well into the Kenyon era. Secondly, we pay massive wages, hence no-one's going to stump up a big transfer fee for these players. Would you rather us keep these players on the payroll, and let them rot in the reserves?
I thought this was United, and the manager decided on the targets.
And us being skint bastards on deals with players like Hazard etc worked out real well eh? We didn't overpay way back when for players like Rio, Rooney and Ronaldo eh? The prices we paid back then were ridiculous if you were looking at it from other club's perspective. People seem to forget that Fergie broke the British transfer record numerous times pre sugar club era, and its been those players that have helped the club to the standing it is at today.
Unless you think we should just pray for another class of 92, and keep signing Bellions, Klebersons and Obertans in the meantime.
If Woodward isn't that great a negotiator then how come we have a £75m+ shirt deal with Adidas? Plus all the other commercial sponsors we have, these all eclipse any other team in Football. Last season purchases were made to try and bring us success and as we didn't have UCL we had to pay a premium to get the player, wages, transfer fee so we blew everyone else out of the water to make a contract offer.
This season we bought Darmian for £12m which is a steal, Bastian for £15m, Morgan for £25m who is a beast and our most important signing. And lastly Depay for £25m, considering the season he had with PSV, Sterling went for £49m and KDB is quoted at £45m, I think Woody has done well.
Felliani as already said is Moyes fault as he arsed around trying to get Fabregas and failing terribly.
Di-Maria yes we paid a premium, but he was World class and seemed to be the player that would transform the team
Falcao - One of the worlds best strikers hardly Woodys fault it didn't work out. He did negotiate the future transfer fee of £42m if we wanted to sign him which wasn't bad for a player of his stature. Keep an open mind as to the thought process before the season started last year and not using hindsight as a choice for disagreeing.
DDG if he doesn't want to sign then that's hardly Woodys fault. We have offered very good terms but the guy wants to go back to Spain and no amount of money will change his mind.
5 GKs, Valdes has been moved to U21s and that leaves us with 4. Lindegaard, Valdes and DDG could be leaving this month leaving us with Romero and Johnstone as our GKs for the season. I believe Real Madrid will wait until the deadline and offer us £30m for DDG, leaving us little time to react and bring someone in and then possibly overpaying for a replacement.
RVP- £250k a week and declining in form rapidly. Offloading him has freed up the wage bill.
Nani - £100k a week and never shown any consistent form in a United shirt and never will.
Rafael - Don't agree with letting him go as he would be a better back up than Valencia. In last year of his contract so fee wouldn't have been too much.
He's not. Desite that he sold players for big money, they were never able to capitalize on it. They would have been far better selling Bale for 60-70m in the beginning of summer, instead of selling him on deadline and don't have the needed time to get good replacements. Same about Modrid or Berbatov.
Add to that, his Perez-like mentality of sacking managers. Spurs haven't progressed a tiny bit for many years. It is difficult to progress obviously, but if he is a 'genius', then that shouldn't have happened.
Seems like it doesn't matter much what they do. They always finish around the same place no matter what.
Come on. You've just made that tax up. Non-CL tax? What on earth?
The fee went up because we weren't in Europe?
We got rinsed because Woodward was desperate to show we had money. Nothing to do wih Moyes.
I agree.
Levi is able to get good value for players, but he ends up selling late and leaving the manager will little time to pick and choose relevant replacements. Even if Levi has told a manager that they are looking to sell a player for X amount; nothing is guaranteed until the papers are signed, which tends to be midnight on the transfer closing day.
Pochettino is a decent manager and you can see is trying to make Tottenham more of a footballing side; but I bet if he doesn't improve on last year he will soon be sacked. Levi seems to want instant success, yet his business model makes it very difficult for this to happen.
He's also good at keeping players, same as we are trying to do now. This is just idle speculation, but I wonder if the Modric and Bale sagas have made players at Tottenham a bit cautious when it comes to signing long term contracts. I mean, if a Tottenham player aspires to play for United, City or Chelsea, he knows it's never going to happen if he has 3-4 years left of his contract. Take Kane for example. I guess it's fairly obvious by now that he's actually a pretty good player. As an Englishman I guess it's a valid assumption that he at some point will want to play for a team that can actually challenge for the title, but he knows that as long as Levy is in charge, there is no way that's going to happen if he signs an extension every now and then.
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