De Gea Contract Situation

[Mali_Zeus]

Sunny Jim is now arguing with himself.

 

[Silva]

It took Van Gaal until Everton game to notice that. Match this with reports about Van Gaals cold treatment towarsa DDG.

You're still only listening to rumours that appeal to you. Why ignore the, say, rumours that DDG has always wanted to move this summer, regardless of anything else. Or even, perhaps, rumours like Mendes asked him to sign an extension but DDG was the one that said no? Or that the club is trying to making him the best paid goalkeeper in the world by almost 100%?

 

[Sunny Jim]

You're still only listening to rumours that appeal to you. If we're going to do that, why ignore the say, rumours that DDG has always wanted to move this summer, regardless of anything else. Or even, perhaps, rumours like Mendes asked him to sign an extension but DDG was the one that said no?

Mate but im open minded.
I can take a scenario where Van Gaal did his best to keep DDG. Would also prefer this.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Apologies for posting when im drunk.

 

[Silva]

Mate but im open minded.
I can take a scenario where Van Gaal did his best to keep DDG. Would also prefer this.

Making him a contract offer that would see him earn twice as much as almost every goalkeeper in world should cover it, then.

 

[Damien]

How do you know we werent his first

1: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/27/angel-di-maria-manchester-united-real-madrid-letter

“Unfortunately, I have to go but I want to make clear that this was never my desire. Like anyone who works, I’ve always wanted to progress. After winning La Décima [Real’s 10th Champions League title] I went to the World Cup with the hope of receiving a gesture from the board, which never arrived. Many things and many lies were told. Someone may not like me. The only thing I asked for was something fair.

or second choice?

PSG had been linked with a move for him for ages but FFP ruled them out. He then went to us just before the window closed. A year later he then goes to PSG instead of trying to fight for his place here. It isn't like I can say anything conclusive but all signs point to us being third choice.

 

[Sunny Jim]

1: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/27/angel-di-maria-manchester-united-real-madrid-letter





PSG had been linked with a move for him for ages but FFP ruled them out. He then went to us just before the window closed. A year later he then goes to PSG instead of trying to fight for his place here. It isn't like I can say anything conclusive but all signs point to us being third choice.

Ok, point taken. The lad suffered while playing for us. Still we got him. Also Herrera, Show, Falcao not bad is it.

 

[Enigma_87]

How exactly? we have 2 clean sheets from the games he hasnt played.

When Romero makes his first blunder people will be calling for his head. He didn't have much to do in those 2 games. He will crack under pressure, as he's bang average.

We need a first team keeper and if we don't buy one before the season starts we're going to be in deep shit in that position.

 

[RedStarUnited]

When Romero makes his first blunder people will be calling for his head. He didn't have much to do in those 2 games. He will crack under pressure, as he's bang average.

We need a first team keeper and if we don't buy one before the season starts we're going to be in deep shit in that position.

I have only seen him in Tournament games (World cup/Copa) for Argentina in the last year or so and he hasn't shown any signs of cracking under pressure. Im going to assume you have followed his career closely and can name periods or game where he cracked?

 

[Silva]

I have only seen him in Tournament games (World cup/Copa) for Argentina in the last year or so and he hasn't shown any signs of cracking under pressure. Im going to assume you have followed his career closely and can name periods or game where he cracked?

You'd think the world cup final is a pub game considering how people talk about him.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

When Romero makes his first blunder people will be calling for his head. He didn't have much to do in those 2 games. He will crack under pressure, as he's bang average.

We need a first team keeper and if we don't buy one before the season starts we're going to be in deep shit in that position.

And that's normal?
Keepers make blunders. Even DDG does.

 

[Enigma_87]

I have only seen him in Tournament games (World cup/Copa) for Argentina in the last year or so and he hasn't shown any signs of cracking under pressure. Im going to assume you have followed his career closely and can name periods or game where he cracked?

There is a reason why he was second choice at Monaco and even at Sampdoria.

He was second choice to Subosic and Viviano, if that doesn't say a lot I don't know what does.

I always wondered why he is first choice at Argentina, they must really have crap keepers in their ranks.

And that's normal?
Keepers make blunders. Even DDG does.

Yes but some more often than others. And there lies the difference in class.

In his last year at Sampdoria he played like 10-12 games conceding in all but one.

 

[RedStarUnited]

There is a reason why he was second choice at Monaco and even at Sampdoria.

He was second choice to Subosic and Viviano, if that doesn't say a lot I don't know what does.

I always wondered why he is first choice at Argentina, they must really have crap keepers in their ranks.

Thats a video over the course of his career. I can make one of De Gea too if I wanted. He is first choice at Argentina because he barely ever has a bad game for them.

 

[Enigma_87]

Thats a video over the course of his career. I can make one of De Gea too if I wanted. He is first choice at Argentina because he barely ever has a bad game for them.

In his last year at Sampdoria he conceded like in 9 or 10 consecutive matches and was benched for Viviano. I take you consider him good as our #1?

 

[Mali_Zeus]

In his last year at Sampdoria he conceded like in 9 or 10 consecutive matches and was benched for Viviano. I take you consider him good as our #1?

I reckon you know why he was dropped for Sampdoria? It wasnt cause of his peformances.

 

[Enigma_87]

I reckon you know why he was dropped for Sampdoria? It wasnt cause of his peformances.

I know why he was shipped out on loan the previous year because of a dreadful performance against Udinese when they lost 3-1. Got immediately dropped and then loaned to Monaco where he played 4-5 games.

He was dropped again after Udine game where he was directly at fault for the first goal.

I know Romero, I have a friend that is a huge Samp fan.

If we stick with Romero it would mean that we learned nothing from Taibi, Bosnich, Barthez, Howard and the rest we tried to replace Schmikes.

 

[SalfordRed1960]

Not sure why people going OTT about DDG.

Seems those wanting to have a go at LVG will find any rumour to blame him. Those who are p*ssed at DDG not extending will find any rumour to find fault with DDG.

We all have the right to run down contracts. Those that offered us the contract have the right to hold us to it. There is always negotiation if one party wants out. How many times have we seen players get their contract paid off when the player has been sold by the club. In this case, rumour has it, DDG wants out. United are holding him to his contract subject to a value being paid by a potential buyer. The club can claim DDG is in breach of his contract if he is not performing his role appropriately which may or may not be happening. DDG could claim constructive dismissal if he was deliberately put in an untenable position. That does not appear to have happened.

So after writing a load of obvious drivel, it is a clear this is a non-story.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

I know why he was shipped out on loan the previous year because of a dreadful performance against Udinese when they lost 3-1. Got immediately dropped and then loaned to Monaco where he played 4-5 games.

He was dropped again after Udine game where he was directly at fault for the first goal.

I know Romero, I have a friend that is a huge Samp fan.

If we stick with Romero it would mean that we learned nothing from Taibi, Bosnich, Barthez, Howard and the rest we tried to replace Schmikes.

He got loaned cause of one bad game? Thats not true,he got loaned cause he didnt want to take a salary cut.

Anyway dont know why I even got into this conversation. I fully expect DDG to play after 1st of September if we keep him.

 

[jojojo]

The Spanish press has always been convinced that DdG was content to renew with United and that negotiations were moving along nicely until LvG got involved. This story has been running since early 2014, when the Moyes sacking took place. It was said there were a set of transfers proposed and a big contract renewal with DdG that were merely waiting the nod from the new manager. The Spanish press were convinced de Gea was going to re-sign and become the best paid keeper in the world. In the light of that, Real Madrid signed Navas.

Later in the summer the press reports in Spain changed to "talks planned, but no proposals on the table" with the base of the story being that LvG didn't necessarily see DdG as our first choice goalkeeper and therefore all that "best paid keeper" stuff was on hold. The Spanish press backed it up with some of the more negative/neutral after match comments from LvG.

When discussions finally restarted, a couple of months into the season, Mendes was allegedly proposing a release clause as part of the contract, probably with Madrid in mind. United apparently rejected that, presumably because of the valuation rather than the principle (though who knows) and offered a higher salary instead. Things never really advanced from there - except we offered him another payrise when we realised that Madrid were ready to ditch Casillas.

What's true? Who knows. It'll have been leaked at various points by people with something to gain from the leaks, particularly Mendes. However, I will say, none of this is new. It is not a last minute PR bid by DdG, it's part of a continuing story that's been running for over a year. It's no surprise to hear that none of the Spanish press believe LvG's statement about De Gea not wanting to play. And keep in mind papers like Marca love the idea of a player so desperate to move to Madrid they become "a rebel" or refuse to train. They just don't believe it.

 

[ZDwyr]

If LvG has alienated the Spanish speakers with this De Gea thing then it could derail the season a bit.

 

[darko]

Hen pecked fecker. His woman is running his life. Good luck with that, DDG. She has hand.

 

[R'hllor]

Some would go that far to have a go at LvG,so they would use Spanish press as voice of truth...the minute player gets in frame for future transfer,propaganda machines starts kicking in,they make things up,hell Marca used photoshop to make it look there is more Real fans vs us in a friendly game,there is no line for them to across.Sorry but i dont believe in those stories,the moment LvG said how DDG refused to play,scale went fully on DDG side,now they trying to push that scale towards LvG.

 

[K2K]

The Spanish press has always been convinced that DdG was content to renew with United and that negotiations were moving along nicely until LvG got involved. This story has been running since early 2014, when the Moyes sacking took place. It was said there were a set of transfers proposed and a big contract renewal with DdG that were merely waiting the nod from the new manager. The Spanish press were convinced de Gea was going to re-sign and become the best paid keeper in the world. In the light of that, Real Madrid signed Navas.

Later in the summer the press reports in Spain changed to "talks planned, but no proposals on the table" with the base of the story being that LvG didn't necessarily see DdG as our first choice goalkeeper and therefore all that "best paid keeper" stuff was on hold. The Spanish press backed it up with some of the more negative/neutral after match comments from LvG.

When discussions finally restarted, a couple of months into the season, Mendes was allegedly proposing a release clause as part of the contract, probably with Madrid in mind. United apparently rejected that, presumably because of the valuation rather than the principle (though who knows) and offered a higher salary instead. Things never really advanced from there - except we offered him another payrise when we realised that Madrid were ready to ditch Casillas.

What's true? Who knows. It'll have been leaked at various points by people with something to gain from the leaks, particularly Mendes. However, I will say, none of this is new. It is not a last minute PR bid by DdG, it's part of a continuing story that's been running for over a year. It's no surprise to hear that none of the Spanish press believe LvG's statement about De Gea not wanting to play. And keep in mind papers like Marca love the idea of a player so desperate to move to Madrid they become "a rebel" or refuse to train. They just don't believe it.

Alternatively, there has been some rumours that United had offered DDG a contract even before the arrival of LVG here..that would make sense considering he had just won our player of the year . There was also rumours that DDG joined with Mendes in order to help facilitate a move to Madrid, and considering that his partner also refused to move here, its more likely that he could have chosen that he did want to return home, and that is a fair decision. I really think that with LVG being a former Barca manager , he fits perfectly into the Villain role that Marca and AS want to portray him.

As for refusing to play, I dont really know who to believe. A few weeks ago, the same Spanish media If I recall had stories where DDG would supposedly not want to play so as to force the move through..This was before preseason began I think. I really think this has now become a full blown PR war, with DDG playing the mistreated player that was unappreciated and led to the reserves, and United trying to come accross as a misled club that are standing up to the big bad bully in Madrid...I dont thinki DDG wants to leave because of anything that happened here, I just think he wants to leave because he prefers Madrid..its just that with what has happened recently, each side has tried to portray itself as the victim.

 

[jojojo]

Alternatively, there has been some rumours that United had offered DDG a contract even before the arrival of LVG here..that would make sense considering he had just won our player of the year . There was also rumours that DDG joined with Mendes in order to help facilitate a move to Madrid, and considering that his partner also refused to move here, its more likely that he could have chosen that he did want to return home, and that is a fair decision. I really think that with LVG being a former Barca manager , he fits perfectly into the Villain role that Marca and AS want to portray him.

The Spanish press is full of agenda reporting - from the clubs and the agents. DdG is the natural heir to Casillas in the Spanish goal and the press were always bound to add, and in Madrid's goal as well. That said, there's not much doubt in my mind that there were contract talks prior to LvG's arrival and we were close enough to a deal that Madrid signed Navas instead.

What went wrong is something that probably only DdG really knows. Was it personal/family reasons? Was it the desire to run away and join the circus? It wasn't money, Madrid never offered as much as us. It could be as simple as he wanted to leave an escape clause, because 5 years sounded like a long time, and we couldn't agree on a valuation. Whatever happened, LvG is indeed the natural villain for the Spanish press (Barca and Madrid) - they blamed him for hesitating over the new contract last summer, they blame him now for making DdG sound bad.

The point I'm making is that the story isn't new, it's been running for nearly 18 months and the version the Spanish press is using (lets call it the Mendes version) has been pretty consistent.

 

[B20]

where is the next Ruud Hesp for lvg to sign?

 

[K2K]

The Spanish press is full of agenda reporting - from the clubs and the agents. DdG is the natural heir to Casillas in the Spanish goal and the press were always bound to add, and in Madrid's goal as well. That said, there's not much doubt in my mind that there were contract talks prior to LvG's arrival and we were close enough to a deal that Madrid signed Navas instead.

What went wrong is something that probably only DdG really knows. Was it personal/family reasons? Was it the desire to run away and join the circus? It wasn't money, Madrid never offered as much as us. It could be as simple as he wanted to leave an escape clause, because 5 years sounded like a long time, and we couldn't agree on a valuation. Whatever happened, LvG is indeed the natural villain for the Spanish press (Barca and Madrid) - they blamed him for hesitating over the new contract last summer, they blame him now for making DdG sound bad.

The point I'm making is that the story isn't new, it's been running for nearly 18 months and the version the Spanish press is using (lets call it the Mendes version) has been pretty consistent.

Its certainly agenda driven..I think that he is more likely to have wanted to join Madrid long before LVG arrival though..He is Spanish, and a Madrid boy, and even with him being from Athletico's academy, Im sure he knows who is the bigger fish in that City..I think this goes much further back.

Remember that Casillas issues with Madrid go back to when Mourinho was still in charge, and he was taken out of the team first for Adan and then Diego Lopes..I think that opened an opportunity for him, and it might have been then when DDG thought he could get his move. I think instead of telling the United hierachy that, someone in his camp thought that it would be better to run the contract down to a year, then leave when United would have much less bargaining power. I honestly dont believe that United would have just let it get to this point, someone offered them encouragement that he would sign, unfortunately that has left them with this dilemma

 

[Enigma_87]

He got loaned cause of one bad game? Thats not true,he got loaned cause he didnt want to take a salary cut.

Anyway dont know why I even got into this conversation. I fully expect DDG to play after 1st of September if we keep him.

Not for one bad game, but rather he wasn't their first choice.

I don't think DDG will play after 1st of September if he hasn't signed a contract and he's still here tbh. LvG is very stubborn man.

 

[arthurka]

where is the next Ruud Hesp for lvg to sign?

Romero is his Hesp..

 

[Judas]

If LvG has alienated the Spanish speakers with this De Gea thing then it could derail the season a bit.

Have to admit this is a bit of a concern for me. It could have a really damaging affect on not only this season, but going forward, IF it's true.

The truth is there's probably been plenty of these sort of issues at the club before, we've just always kept it in house and the information has been well hidden. It's just a bit unsettling to read all this stuff.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

Not for one bad game, but rather he wasn't their first choice.

I don't think DDG will play after 1st of September if he hasn't signed a contract and he's still here tbh. LvG is very stubborn man.

Not that stubborn.


So what's new, LVG alienated our Spanish speaking players?

 

[pauldyson1uk]

If LvG has alienated the Spanish speakers with this De Gea thing then it could derail the season a bit.

Dont believe it for a minute, for what reason would he do it?

 

[Pexbo]

If LvG has alienated the Spanish speakers with this De Gea thing then it could derail the season a bit.

People really are getting creative with their assumptions.

 

[Ash_G]

Not sure why people going OTT about DDG.

Seems those wanting to have a go at LVG will find any rumour to blame him. Those who are p*ssed at DDG not extending will find any rumour to find fault with DDG.

We all have the right to run down contracts. Those that offered us the contract have the right to hold us to it. There is always negotiation if one party wants out. How many times have we seen players get their contract paid off when the player has been sold by the club. In this case, rumour has it, DDG wants out. United are holding him to his contract subject to a value being paid by a potential buyer. The club can claim DDG is in breach of his contract if he is not performing his role appropriately which may or may not be happening. DDG could claim constructive dismissal if he was deliberately put in an untenable position. That does not appear to have happened.

So after writing a load of obvious drivel, it is a clear this is a non-story.

Yeah I wouldn't read too much in him refusing/wanting to play, I think as a part of playing hardball and maybe making him stay it was always likely that we'd have to wait until the window closed before we could use him. Concentration is very important for a GK particularly where they won't see the ball much and will spend a lot of the time just watching the game. I really can't see him being an issue if we do keep him once the window closes.

My main gripe with how this has gone is in not having a better option than Romero to ride it out. He's not had to do much yet so done ok but I really think we could have found a better alternative to DDG which would have made our stance much easier to pull off.

 

[Cypriot]

United sell papers.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

We've really cocked this one up haven't we?
Our best player over the last two seasons (by a distance) and we may now lose him for nothing whilst we can't play him because he doesn't want to be here / play

 

[Kevin]

We've really cocked this one up haven't we?
Our best player over the last two seasons (by a distance) and we may now lose him for nothing whilst we can't play him because he doesn't want to be here / play

He will be desperate to play when the window is shut. Euro 2016 coming up and a year of sitting around isn't going to make him a better keeper.

Whether van Gaal will use him is another matter.

 

[JustAFan]

We've really cocked this one up haven't we?
Our best player over the last two seasons (by a distance) and we may now lose him for nothing whilst we can't play him because he doesn't want to be here / play

Well if he wanted to be here he could have signed one of those contract extensions we offered. Other than offer him contracts or sell him for dirt cheap early this summer and have everyone here complain about that

 

[Samid]

What's this DE DONUT thing? What have I missed?

 

[Pexbo]

What's this DE DONUT thing? What have I missed?

He stole a Krispy Kreme once. It's a funny nay, hilarious, reference to that.

 

[RuudTom83]

There is zero sense in keeping him if LVG was going to react this way and not play him...we have to wait and see how it plays out, but if he does stay and LVG continues to not play him then something has been lost in translation between LVG and Woody.