The ball was always in Real's court. They could have dealt with this correctly. I think De gea will be professional about this. Worse case scenario, we have Valdes, who can certainly do a job for us.
De Gea Contract Situation
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The ball was always in Real's court. They could have dealt with this correctly. I think De gea will be professional about this. Worse case scenario, we have Valdes, who can certainly do a job for us.
I doubt we'll sell him in January. Assuming he gets his head right, we'll play him and if we then sell him in January it'll be impossible to get a good replacement right away. On top of that, Madrid will probably be willing to pay even less for him if they're still in for him. Then there's also the minor detail that Madrid might get hit with a ban next summer and then won't be able to sign him. What does De Gea do then? Sign for another club (which top club would sign him on a one-year deal?) and hope that Madrid will remain interested and that they'll still want him to replace Navas two years from now? Considering they seemingly weren't that interested this time around that's a significant gamble.
There's a lot of unknowns in this and Madrid has put De Gea in a terrible position.
It should've been sorted weeks ago. Let's see how he performs with the Euros on the horizon.
Madrid are being dicks about this. We should have someone dedicated to bidding for their players non stop with bullshit offers
For the first time ever, bureaucracy has helped the world!
Yes. Real should have. Whatever the intention of United in faxing the agreement so late, I have my doubts about it being unintentional. If we did it on purpose, it was a good tactic.
Real lost big time. We have a risk, sure. But we have shown them and other clubs not to feck with us.
I bet Atletico Madrid supporters are enjoying seeing one of their former players cause Real so much trouble!
I find it amusing that Real got screwed in such fashion.I don't think it was in our best interest to scupper the deal which leads me to believe we've not done anything intentionally.
Now I hope they get hit with a 2 year transfer ban.
The guy has been here since 2011. Been world class for three consecutive seasons. How come we're only putting together a contract now? We should have had him extending in 2013. Him signing to get us a proper fee would be a risk on his part, what if we simply decide whatever money Madrid put up isn't what we value him as?
Why should he sign an extension? He just has to maintain the standards that he's already set and then his contract ends and he can go. By that time it'd have been 4 years of excellent service that was well worth the money we paid in the first place.
You have to remember he'll be training with Phil Jones
I can't see him playing.
We already do. And Barca's too.
Is it true we that we could still sign Navas? That would really screw Real over.
No we wont sell him in January (probably, although a lot can happen between now and then.) But he can sign a deal with Madrid in January to join them on a free, no? Not sure whether that kind of preliminary deal would protect him in the case of an injury though.
Im just feeling pessimistic about a longer term happy ending for us. One more season of De Gea was always the best case scenario, as I saw it, and I dont think the events of the past 24 hours change it really. But will be absolutely delighted if De Gea is disgusted at everything that has happened and signs a new contract, even if it is one with a release clause that doesnt actually keep him at the club any longer. I just think the evidence suggests he has been motivated until now by securing the best and most lucrative package for himself (and I dont hold that against him) and I think the best option for him now, financially speaking, if he can stomach the risk, is to sit tight and sign for Madrid on a free next year.
There are variables. If we threaten to not play him for a year then he worries about his international career and whether they will still want him, but we lose the moral high ground, he would be just as disgusted with us (Van Gaal more specifically) as he may (or may not) currently be with Madrid. Plus, he doesnt have to worry so much about getting injured. (Couldnt he take an insurance policy out on himself, anyway, to mitigate that risk?) If we play him, fine, he helps us do well this year and then gets the move he wanted, Real save money on the transfer so can pay him massive wages, lost earnings this year will be mitigated from next year when he is raking it in. I just think if he plays the long game he doesnt have to worry too much about his salary this year. All he has to do is bide his time and it will all work out fine for him, I dont see why he would sign a contract with us unless he intends to stay, and I cant see why he would have changed his mind on that score, Madrid havent done anything here they havent done a million times before.
Real Madrid won't agree so we'd have to bid his buyout clause and bypass them. So theoretically, yes...
Well, reading that it looks like we did everything we could. I don't believe for a second there was any form of 'trolling' here because the deal would have been way too good for Utd to pass up. I think it's more a case of incompetence on United's part to be honest. That said, I don't understand why you didn't open negotiations till yesterday morning. That is the part I can't get my head around.
They can just reject the transfer.
He wasn't keen as it was and definitely won't be so keen now considering we still have DDG plus another mini army of keepers.
We could be like Pep's all midfielder team, just with goalies.
We have more keepers than a bee farm.
Madrid had three months to open negotiations. De Gea had the same amount of time to lodge an official transfer request. Arrogance and stupidity all round.
My guess is that behind all the save your face and 10-point lists, there is some Madrid lawyer losing his job today. They accepted the minor changes immediately - I'm sure that's how it happened...
It can be done quicker if its a simple contract, but 8 hrs to get a contract reviewed for signoff for a deal of this nature is immense. The changes being inconsequential is something I don't buy. United use Allen & Overy, and from personal experience I know they don't make changes for nothing.
Just for perspective, someone actually has to read the whole damn thing to make sure there isnt an adverse statement slipped in somewhere. These contracts can be 30-50 pages at minimum, which takes at least 3-4 hrs to go through. These things can get done in a day (if people turn stuff around in 8 hours) - which we did.
Turn them into strikers.
I would imagine negotiations were open earlier in the summer (around the time of all the Ramos chatter) but we broke them off as we weren't happy with what was on the table? Then we re-entered into negotiations yesterday?
Ultimately you guys were the ones who wanted to get this transfer done, not us, so the onus was on you to push it through. If our only alternative here was to accept a deal we weren't happy with earlier in the summer then it isn't really our fault the deal didn't happen.
Unless there was some kind of cock up on our part that we don't know about, that is.
Serious question, is this an actual thing? Meaning, does anyone know if Navas has a buyout clause in his contract? If so, does it mean that if we matched the buyout that both Real and Navas would be forced into selling/being sold at this point, regardless if the DdG deal is toast? That is, considering the fact that we already turned in the signed paperwork for Navas on time.
Please let this be a true. Not selling DdG but still getting Navas would be the icing on the cake for any transfer window we've ever had.
Incompetence on Uniteds part my arse. The fact is Madrid have barely done any business in comparison to United and they messed it up. They tried to be clever and failed. On second thoughts if we offer him a new contract, I'd rather no clause but if we do? I think it should be what Madrid asked for Ramos
All players in the Spanish league have to have one.
http://www.sportskeeda.com/football/buy-out-clauses-how-they-work-spanish-football
It's not going to happen. His buyout clause is going to be really large so it would be an extremely expensive way of winding up Real Madrid.
Whichever way we look at this, Real look ridiculous and De Gea has lost big time.
And some still want Navas
Every player in La Liga does have a buyout-clause, we could bypass Madrid by activating it, but we would obviously still have to a agree a contract with the player. Anyways, the buyout clauses are usually way too high, doubt it's an option for us.
All Spanish players have a clause, but Navas can reject us activating it.
I don't really know much about this transfer ban-stuff, but my understanding is that if they get a ban they won't be able to register players. I guess they can technically sign De Gea, pay his wages, have him train with them and all, but he won't be able to play any games.
The longer term very much depends on what happens next regarding De Gea. If he still wants out next summer, it gives us more time to look for a proper replacement.
If De Gea really wanted out that badly, he should have requested to leave officially.
He didn't so it's on him IMO
Me neither, really, though my Spidey Senses tell me that FFP is no longer going to be properly enforced and the chance of Real getting a transfer ban is negligible. But that is a feeling rather than an informed opinion.
It's not for FFP, but like Barca, poaching non-EU under-18's.
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