De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season

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Insanity said:
That set deadline doesn't help us in order to get a replacement and integrate the new guy with the team, does it? That is why I think we should have found a solution earlier, as we always had the most to lose in this case.

Why would they make the situation more hostile if we already told the player that we wouldn't sell him beyond a point as we have to look at our best interests too.

From what I read, the player didn't want to extend a contract and tie himself long term. If De Gea was adamant on leaving than I can understand, but from whatever I have read, he wasn't, and never agitated a move.
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You keep saying "we should have found a solution" yet can't provide one of your own. If the club don't want to sell him for a shit offer and the player wants to leave what should we have done?

Of course it would make the player hostile. "Alright Dave, we'll let you go for the right offer, but not after 20th of August, not even if Madrid offer us a player we'd quite like as a replacement and a fee that works for us as well as gets you the move you want."
 
Varun said:
People here moan for the sake of it. The club can do no right in their eyes.

Miss out on a young player because the club didn't want to spend high? We're cheap. Moan.

Spend high and get a young player? We overspend, we are desperate. Moan.

Sell someone on the cheap? We never sell well, pathetic how cheap we sell players. Moan.

Stick to a fair price and refuse lowball offers? We are letting money dictate the football side of things we should have taken the initiative to sell our best player(probably the most ridiculous sentence I've read here of late). Moan.
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Exactly. And you spot them from a mile away too. Every bleeding topic it's the same response.
 
Insanity said:
That set deadline doesn't help us in order to get a replacement and integrate the new guy with the team, does it? That is why I think we should have found a solution earlier, as we always had the most to lose in this case.

Why would it make the situation more hostile if we already told the player that we wouldn't sell him beyond a point, as we have to look at our best interests too.

From what I read, the player didn't want to extend a contract and tie himself long term. If De Gea was adamant on leaving than I can understand, but he wasn't, and never agitated a move.



We all support the club. This is a discussion forum. No one is moaning, we are discussing something. Use the ignore button if it doesn't suit your fancy. I have you on it most of the time.
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With respect mate, I have yet to read one positive post from you this season, you may have done but you come across as a bit of glory hunter who isn't happy because they can't brag to their mates that we're better than Barcelona.
Maybe you should go support a club you can actually you know, support.
 
Insanity said:
That set deadline doesn't help us in order to get a replacement and integrate the new guy with the team, does it? That is why I think we should have found a solution earlier, as we always had the most to lose in this case.

Why would it make the situation more hostile if we already told the player that we wouldn't sell him beyond a point, as we have to look at our best interests too.

From what I read, the player didn't want to extend a contract and tie himself long term. If De Gea was adamant on leaving than I can understand, but he wasn't, and never agitated a move.



We all support the club. This is a discussion forum. No one is moaning, we are discussing something. Use the ignore button if it doesn't suit your fancy. I have you on it most of the time.
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The replacement was at the buying club and thus, we were set either ways. We had nothing to lose other than whatever lowball cash they offered initially if de gea chose to leave for free next year. Considering our finances and more importantly what he brings to the side as a GK, that's nothing.

@VP put it succinctly. In a deal between a desperate buyer and a reluctant seller, the onus is always on the buyer to strike a deal.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Exactly. And you spot them from a mile away too. Every bleeding topic it's the same response.
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It's ridiculous. Clubs get a hard time from the press or from opposition fans. We are unique in that our own fans throw shit at us for every single thing.

The Man Himself said:
*applauds*

Next time you are in Pune, I will buy you a round of drink for every 'moan' above :p

Edit: and at Manchester United cafe & bar. Quite costly it is, but worth it.
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4 rounds :drool:
 
amolbhatia50k said:
You keep saying "we should have found a solution" yet can't provide one of your own. If the club don't want to sell him for a shit offer and the player wants to leave what should we have done?

Of course it would make the player hostile. "Alright Dave, we'll let you go for the right offer, but not after 20th of August, not even if Madrid offer us a player we'd quite like as a replacement and a fee that works for us as well as gets you the move you want."
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I did. I gave my opinion of how the club should have handled this. If it was the right or the wrong solution, no one can say for certainty.

Did the player want to leave this window or did he not want to sign a contract?

Stones, Schneiderlin, Lewandoski - some of the recent cases where their respective clubs have taken a stand. Did the players turn hostile? Or do you think De Gea is comparable to a Berahino kind of idiot?

No he is not sold and we don't have a replacement. What if he turns hostile now?
 
Varun said:
The replacement was at the buying club and thus, we were set either ways. We had nothing to lose other than whatever lowball cash they offered initially if de gea chose to leave for free next year. Considering our finances and more importantly what he brings to the side as a GK, that's nothing.

@VP put it succinctly. In a deal between a desperate buyer and a reluctant seller, the onus is always on the buyer to strike a deal.
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The buyer wasn't desperate. As it has turned out.
 
Getsme said:
With respect mate, I have yet to read one positive post from you this season, you may have done but you come across as a bit of glory hunter who isn't happy because they can't brag to their mates that we're better than Barcelona.
Maybe you should go support a club you can actually you know, support.
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:lol: Get on with your day, bud.

And if I am a "glory hunter", I am a glory hunter. I don't need your permission to support United.

May be you should find something that makes you feel better about yourself, then calling everyone else a glory hunter.

Ta ta.
 
Moriarty said:
The devil's in the details. It would depend on what those "minor changes" were. I've known piddling little alterations to the wording of a contract mushroom into major deal-breaking issues. Who knows what happened here.
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Seems like they were not minor at all - RM sent back some changes which threatened the deal at 10:32 pm. Hahahaha. This gets funnier and funnier.
 
noodlehair said:
It reads very stupidly, and is completely pointless.

No one cares who did and didn't send who to what, except people who want to point fingers and act like children about it. No one else has any reason to care, because it doesn't matter.

You don't have any reason to believe Real are the only ones talking nonsense other than because you're a United fan and want to believe that. Anyone who is a fan of neither club would probably read both statement, think "haha, what a collective bunch of idiots" and then get on with their evening. Here we have a forum half full of people practically ready to have a hissy fit at this being made aware to them.
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It's not pointless one bit. For me and plenty of other supporters it has clarified what really happened. That's way better than guessing based on journo and twitter shit.
And since when can it be wrong to call out idiots and liars for what they are?
You complain "It reads very stupidly, and is completely pointless." Yet that's exactly what your posts are and it doesn't seem to stop you from posting them. Walk your talk, man!
 
Insanity said:
I did. I gave my opinion of how the club should have handled this. If it was the right or the wrong solution, no one can say for certainty.
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You didn't. Fixing a deadline isn't a solution. A deadline already exited. United would sell only at the right price and De Gea wanted to go home to Madrid? What should united have done?

Insanity said:
Did the player want to leave this window or did he not want to sign a contract?
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Not sure that's relevant. He wanted to leave and hence he didn't want to sign a new contract. We agreed to let him leave but only for the right offer. Simples.

Insanity said:
Stones, Schneiderlin, Lewandoski - some of the recent cases where their respective clubs have taken a stand. Did the players turn hostile? Or do you think De Gea is comparable to a Berahino kind of idiot?
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What stand? We took a stand as well, you just refuse to see it as anything other than negative, like everything else related to United. Lewandowski was not for sale. De Gea was for sale at the right price.

Insanity said:
No he is not sold and we don't have a replacement. What if he turns hostile now?
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We've done everything he wanted and everything we said we'd do. We accepted a good offer which gave us a replacement. Why would the chances of being angry be higher than us fixing fake deadlines and not accepting bids from Madrid?
 
No they dont moan. There's a lot of people here that were born and raised Manchester United. You don't like that? You think we're moaning.

Kicking a ball outside old Trafford. feck off. We're not moaning. We just care
 
Varun said:
What :lol:

Where have we lost in all of this?
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You said the buyer was desperate. I said that how it transpired proves that they weren't.

In reply to that, you went "So?". The ball is still in your court, Varun.
 
Insanity said:
:lol: Get on with your day, bud.

And if I am a "glory hunter", I am a glory hunter. I don't need your permission to support United.

May be you should find something that makes you feel better about yourself, then calling everyone else a glory hunter.

Ta ta.
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Always nice when a "fan" admits they're a glory hunter. At least it all makes sense now so well done.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
No they dont moan. There's a lot of people here that were born and raised Manchester United. You don't like that? You think we're moaning.

Kicking a ball outside old Trafford. feck off. We're not moaning. We just care
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There's a difference between caring and being spoilt.
 
Insanity said:
You said the buyer was desperate. I said that how it transpired proves that they weren't.

In reply to that, you went "So?". The ball is still in your court, Varun.
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Have you forgotten the entire conversation before that? Who gives a shit whether or not Real were desperate? Whether they were or not, we keep our player, something we wanted all along unless he was desperate to leave. It was you who claimed we had somehow fecked the situation up.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
No they dont moan. There's a lot of people here that were born and raised Manchester United. You don't like that? You think we're moaning.

Kicking a ball outside old Trafford. feck off. We're not moaning. We just care
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People from Manchester also go and sing their heart outs for the team every week, and sometimes twice a week. They all aren't people who spend all their time whining left right and centre I imagine.
 
I could of sworn by reading a lot of comments on here that we sold the whole squad and didn't replace them.

Turns out all we did keep hold of one of the best goalkeepers in the world.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
You didn't. Fixing a deadline isn't a solution. A deadline already exited. United would sell only at the right price and De Gea wanted to go home to Madrid? What should united have done?
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But that deadline day wouldn't allow us to get a replacement of our choice and integrate with the squad.

We already lost points because of playing a keeper who is not up to the standards you expect at United. There is a reason why Dave was our twice player of the year.


Not sure that's relevant. He wanted to leave and hence he didn't want to sign a new contract. We agreed to let him leave but only for the right offer. Simples.
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That's what I don't agree with. We should have handled it much earlier.

What stand? We took a stand as well, you just refuse to see it as anything other than negative, like everything else related to United. Lewandowski was not for sale. De Gea was for sale at the right price.
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That is what I am questioning. Why was he till the last minute when the situation was not in our favor.

There is no reason to believe that he would have turned hostile if we asked him to fulfill his obligation with us.

We've done everything he wanted and everything we said we'd do. We accepted a good offer which gave us a replacement. Why would the chances of being angry be higher than us fixing fake deadlines and not accepting bids from Madrid?
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All I am saying is this situation doesn't help us. It's not about Madrid or De Gea, it's about Manchester United.
 
Getsme said:
Always nice when a "fan" admits they're a glory hunter. At least it all makes sense now so well done.
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Cool. I am glad I could clear that up for you.

Have a great day. I am sure this forum is big enough for both of us to co-exist.
 
Varun said:
Have you forgotten the entire conversation before that? Who gives a shit whether or not Real were desperate? Whether they were or not, we keep our player, something we wanted all along unless he was desperate to leave. It was you who claimed we had somehow fecked the situation up.
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You are changing goalposts now.

I never said we had fecked up the situation on the last day. I have always said that we may be in fecked up situation now. Which I hope from the bottom of my heart doesn't turn out that way and Dave is all ready to play for us starting the Liverpool game.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
People from Manchester also go and sing their heart outs for the team every week, and sometimes twice a week. They all aren't people who spend all their time whining left right and centre I imagine.
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Your right. I just have a problem with people telling me what utd are.

I dare anyone to sit on the kop or a goodison and get their head beat in.
 
That was a great response by the club, IMO.

If we hadn't responded, Real would be getting away with blatant lies. More importantly, we needed to clarify to everyone that we do business the right way. Real's statement made it look like we don't . Like @VP said, its normal corporate PR behavior to ensure that lies and myths about an organization aren't spread. Certainly not by a competitor.
 
Insanity said:
But that deadline day wouldn't allow us to get a replacement of our choice and integrate with the squad.
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That's true but then again, us placing a deadline wont mean that Real will play by it. They could still make a bid at the last minute to feck us up. If we accept there is no time to get a replacement, if we don't accept then we have a disgruntle GK who thinks that we feck up his move.
 
Till yesterday, some people had a problem that we fecked the deal, by trying to sell him late.
Today, we have people embarrassed that the club responded to garbage allegations from Madrid.

I wonder if some people are more closet fans of Real than fans of Utd.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
I got beat up at both grounds
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Which means you should moan at everything?
Insanity said:
You are changing goalposts now.

I never said we had fecked up the situation on the last day. I have always said that we may be in fecked up situation now. Which I hope from the bottom of my heart doesn't turn out that way and Dave is all ready to play for us starting the Liverpool game.
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Good then.
 
donnwyt said:
That's true but then again, us placing a deadline wont mean that Real will play by it. They could still make a bid at the last minute to feck us up. If we accept there is no time to get a replacement, if we don't accept then we have a disgruntle GK who thinks that we feck up his move.
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Shouldn't matter, no? If we have made it clear from the beginning, then there is no discrepancy.
 
Insanity said:
No he is not sold and we don't have a replacement. What if he turns hostile now?
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There is no chance of this happening. And I can give you a couple of reasons for that. The first being, in all of this saga, his conduct has been professional. He hasn't come out and said a word despite all the speculation. Secondly, with the Euro 2016 coming up, he has to fight for his spot in the Spanish side and Del Bosque has been quoted as saying that it will be difficult to pick De Gea if he doesn't play regularly for us.

So its mutually beneficial for both parties (i.e. Us as well as Dave) to get along with the job.
 
Insanity said:
But that deadline day wouldn't allow us to get a replacement of our choice and integrate with the squad.
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That's still not a solution especially when his potential replacement was at the other negotiating club i.e Real Madrid. All it does is bring the day earlier. Everything else stays absolutely the same. So you're not solving anything, you're just preponing everything. Still not a solution.

Insanity said:
We already lost points because of playing a keeper who is not up to the standards you expect at United. There is a reason why Dave was our twice player of the year.
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And we could have lost points with De Gea who has made many mistakes in the past as well. As it is, we've kept him.

Insanity said:
That's what I don't agree with. We should have handled it much earlier.
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Again, it's not relevant. We were happy with keeping De Gea. If a decent enough offer came, given he wanted to go, we would have let him go and taken Navas who we rated as a good replacement. Early or late doesn't matter that much at all.

Insanity said:
That is what I am questioning. Why was he till the last minute when the situation was not in our favor.
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What isn't in our favour? We get to keep De Gea which we're absolutely fine with. And he nor anyone else can say we didn't give him the transfer he wanted either. Who it wasn't in favour of was Madrid, who are the ones who "left it late"?
 
Billy Blaggs said:
Your right. I just have a problem with people telling me what utd are.

I dare anyone to sit on the kop or a goodison and get their head beat in.
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Then you'll end up having a problem with a lot of things. United are a football but they're also business. Not to the fans but that's the reality. They have to take decisions like a cold hard business entity would, because their rivals will.

As for the last sentence, well done you brave man. We all aspire for your braveness and modesty in braveness.
 
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