Sign the contract or rot on the bench.
De Gea Contract Situation
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An avid real madrid fan telling their side of the story. He once tweeted "you dont mess with perez as perez always wins" now he has deleted that tweet. Well this time perez messed with the wrong guys, i think keeping de gea even for a year shows to real madrid that we will not buckle under them. If and its a huge IF de gea signs a deal with united it will be a greta victory for United as madrid wont buy a goalkeeper for huge money and we might keep him for good.
"A trap well set up by Van Gaal"
love it! It will be so so awesome if it was all planned 
Indeed. But if he doesn't sign, we say "ok then we'll get your replacement in January" and go with that.
At least we'd know 100% and could rectify it in a few months.
Cut off our nose to spite our face much?
Have United ever done a buyout clause? I can't ever recall any of our players having one.
I think that could be the sticking point
Am I right in thinking Dave and Navas are now together with the Spanish squad? That might make for an interesting conversation.
Very tiny snag with that story... and it's only minor to be fair... is that Keylor Navas is Costa Rican...
Jesus Navas however...
He wants to go, and we don't need to stand in his way. However, we don't owe him anything and need not do any favours. Sign the contract or you will rot on the bench.
Not unless De Gea has gone to Costa Rica instead of Spain...
Yup.. Not getting why people are suggesting we put him on the bench.. What's the use of holding on to him then..
True. Or make a verbal deal to engage with RM the second the season ends.
Like I say, we did it with Ronaldo, we should do the same here. That would put a full stop on this whole saga and we'd get a year out of a clear-headed great keeper.
Read my first post on it above and tell me how you see it differently.
If that's true then I think the right thing to do would be to sign him next summer when De Gea inevitably goes to Real.
I agree, thats what we should do - specifically with the Release Clause ... it makes sense for us to swallow our pride int his instance. A verbal agreement is fine, but if your DDG right now, do you really want to rely on United and Real Madrid having amicable transfer talks?!
And play Romero until December? That would be mental.
We don't owe him anything, at the same time, he doesn't really owe us anything either. Ultimately, our main goal is to be the best team we can be with the resources we have, and that currently means wanging him in there.
Or, crazy thought: sign a better keeper than Navas! Because we don't owe him shit.
Logic doesn't seem to apply when players decide to join Madrid. Everyone knows by now how much of a circus they are but they still always end up getting their targets.
It's not like he can afford to give us 2-3 years either without risk. Madrid won't always have room for him like they would with an outfield player. They'd spend big on another keeper and won't need him anymore.
If we are upfront now about it all, he'd have no reason to disbelieve us.
We are basically telling him we want him, but we'll honour an agreement with RM provided they pay (whatever reasonable amount) we set.
The ball is totally in their court then, not ours. We get what we want either way, DDG plays all season and this issue is put to bed and we can all move on.
Any other way just drags it out all season and will be on his mind.
And one that actually wants to come to us - Sounds like Navas took way too much convincing.
Also, he's a short arse.
That's all well and good but he's far and away our best keeper, so we should play him. Favours, owing him, whatever shouldn't come into the equation here.
Well, there are a few cases, but I wouldn't know one where the player signed in the end.
We play good cop bad cop. Ed speaks to De Gea and says we at the club know you are the best goalkeeper. We want you to stay. We have to protect our assets. Now, here's the 10 year contract - with a buy out clause that says 'give us Ramos'. You then add, but LVG picks the team. We want to play you but LVG wants an answer within a week. LVG might not even be here at the end of the season. It's not black or white. We can be smart about it - and we will get him to sign a contract.
The moment he resigns - he's back being our number 1 but it should be done before we play Liverpool else we're fecked.
The moment he resigns - he's back being our number 1 but it should be done before we play Liverpool else we're fecked.
Would be great, but the way Atletico do business, we would have to agree to a terrible deal economically speaking. They are completely economically dependent on selling their players for huge fees, so I suppose we'd have to pay them a lot, and give the David
Not that I care much about the money, I'd love a deal like that.
Actually, the Atletico point is interesting. I reckon DDG moving to Real for a fee he knew Atletico could never match would be a defence against fans disappointed he's gone to their bitter rivals. Its a business deal, i wanted to be back in Spain but real were the only ones to stump up the cash.Would be great, but the way Atletico do business, we would have to agree to a terrible deal economically speaking. They are completely economically dependent on selling their players for huge fees, so I suppose we'd have to pay them a lot, and give the David
Not that I care much about the money, I'd love a deal like that.
Now in summer 2016 he has his free choice with who he joins and surely Atletico could afford his wages without having a huge fee to pay for the transfer. Might make him less popular with the fans to actively choose Real.
I think that Nistelrooy might have had a release clause if Madrid called.
Even a low release clause (even as low as 20m after the difference in wages) would be good for us, considering that the other option is to lose him on free.
Maybe we should do a sneaky deal with Athletico to take one of their decent players for a slightly higher fee so we can help pay DDG's wages for them to come in for him next summer.
Mwahahaha!
He left Atletico for some reason, he's not going to go back there. They cannot provide:
a) wages that Real can provide
b) global superstar status that Real can provide
c) titles that Real can provide.
He was ruthless to leave them for the benefit of his career when he was only 20 years old. There is no chance at all that he'll go back there, Atletico fan or not.
Not buying his going home bullsh!t sadly. Sure, it will be good for him to return home to Madrid, but the biggest reason he wants to leave is to join Real, one of the few clubs that are a step up from us, get pretty much a guaranteed number one spot in the Spanish national team and challenge for every trophy.
Of course it took some convincing. He's in a country where he's lived for a number of years, where they speak his language and he's effectively first choice at one of the world's biggest clubs. Why would he want to leave? I'm sure if he did, his preference would have been to go to another club in Spain; after all, he doesn't need to be at the top clubs to secure a decent salary or cement his international place. But we (and therefore Real) effectively forced him to be part of the deal so he might as well negotiate a package that makes it worth his while.
I dont think it changes anything, 100% convinced he will be a Real player this time next year but just think he will lose that response to Atletico fans who question his move.
Exactly! There was a reason he left them in the first place. He'd want to join Real Madrid even if Madrid wasn't his hometown.
Problem with suggestion of a 'buy-out' clause in a new contract is that if Madrid did intentionally sabotage the deal, it was specifically not to pay any fee and get him for free next summer.
On the assumption that his heart his still firmly set on a move to Madrid, what guarantee does De Gea have that Madrid would sign him at all for a fee next summer?
On the assumption that his heart his still firmly set on a move to Madrid, what guarantee does De Gea have that Madrid would sign him at all for a fee next summer?
Yeah, that was a little tongue-in-cheek there.
No chance of him going back to Athletico!
Pettiness pure and simple.
I don't get why people take offense at a player wanting to leave us especially one who hasn't publicly kicked up a fuss. All relationships with players are mutually beneficial, the moment it isn't the club or player take action.
I would loove it LOOVE IT if Dea Gea signs a new contract with us now
It's not about a player wanting to go. It's about allowing a situation where the club get screwed. That De gea money could go to United and it could go on signing a new player who will appease the supporters. But we were left in a situation where Madrid were happy for us to get nothing and so was De Gea - not only does he get compensated by Madrid for this failed move but if he left on a free, he'd get a big signing on fee. That compensation money should go to United as a gesture of good will to be frank. The player and agent live in a bubble and ultimately it's the supporters who get dragged in all directions. Listen De Gea has it good. If he misses his family that's different but his girlfriend? Maybe she would rather be in Spain then with David or maybe she's got her own reasons. Either way, they got it pretty good....
To me we should absolutely put him on the spot but make no bones about it. De Gea is our number one goalkeeper. If he signs a contract - even if it has a fee it in, then that's fine. Just don't screw the club and don't patronize the United fans. The United fans will support the player and that kinda warmth you will never get in Spain.
To me we should absolutely put him on the spot but make no bones about it. De Gea is our number one goalkeeper. If he signs a contract - even if it has a fee it in, then that's fine. Just don't screw the club and don't patronize the United fans. The United fans will support the player and that kinda warmth you will never get in Spain.
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Changed my mind complete 180. Play him, he has to start.
3 reasons,
1) he's the best goalkeeper in the world, we are probably 10 points better off with him in goal than romero over the season, and could be the difference between quarter finals and semi finals of the champions league.
2) a lot can change over a year, he might be really annoyed with madrid, we might win the league and trash real in the champions league and ultimately there could be a possibility he signs a new deal.
3) him sitting on the bench with us paying his wages literally benefits nobody. everyone loses.
3 reasons,
1) he's the best goalkeeper in the world, we are probably 10 points better off with him in goal than romero over the season, and could be the difference between quarter finals and semi finals of the champions league.
2) a lot can change over a year, he might be really annoyed with madrid, we might win the league and trash real in the champions league and ultimately there could be a possibility he signs a new deal.
3) him sitting on the bench with us paying his wages literally benefits nobody. everyone loses.
That's the point though, that'd be between Dave and Madrid!
All I'm suggesting is that if there's a chance he'd sign, I would lay it out to him honestly and let him decide.
Like I've said, we did this with Ronaldo so there is precedence. That's the biggest factor for us, he could even speak to Ronnie himself if he doubts we'd honour this pact.
The main point is we have to try. I'm all for playing him, but we can't let this go on another year without any assurances. There's a good chance all he'd do is worry too and performances would most definitely suffer, if we can get some kind of arrangement (even if it means the less likely chance we'd have to just drop him), then I think that's better for us. Suffering with our current two goalkeepers until January isn't the end of the world.
Why doesn't the club just offer DDG a new 5 year contract with a buy out clause. then tell him they will loan him to Madrid in Jan with a option to buy.
1 if he wants to still go we get a good price for him. 2 it gives him a chance to see if he is making a mistake going there or not. 3 if Madrid really want him they will now have the option to get him before next year. its win win for all involved.
1 if he wants to still go we get a good price for him. 2 it gives him a chance to see if he is making a mistake going there or not. 3 if Madrid really want him they will now have the option to get him before next year. its win win for all involved.
Maybe you should read what's being said rather than tarring everyone with that brush.
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