This. Pickford who is bang average made two world class saves today, every time DDG makes them people wets their trousers
Dean Henderson has to be our #1 next season? Poll added
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This. Pickford who is bang average made two world class saves today, every time DDG makes them people wets their trousers
Last season he cost us the champions league spot and this year I'm afraid he will do it again.
Oh yes, you fanboys keep telling us that that first save was a worldy and if you repeat it enough, someone might believe you. It was going wide first of all; secondly, it wasn't a particularly difficult save and I would say most of the keepers in the League get hands to that. The save at the end of the game was top drawer; great stuff.
and Pickford.
Someone posted in the matchday thread that DDG has made 7 errors since the beginning of last season, all of which cost us valuable points. That's more errors than ay other PL keeper during that period.
You can't have that from the world's highest paid goalkeeper.
You can't have that from the world's highest paid goalkeeper.
He's a pretty strong shot stopper, decent in the air, not that good with his feet. Has an occasional mistake in him (one at the start of the season, a couple last season, not any since I don't think). Not to dissimilar to De Gea, but what he does have on his side is enthusiasm and age.
I have been saying this for a while now, Dean Henderson is too good not to bring in as our number one goalkeeper.
Whether it was going wide or not was subjective, it looked like it was going in to me, so for me, its a world class finger tip save. The last minute save was world class.
I’m pretty certain a fanboy wouldn’t be posting to move him on and bring Hendo in.
A reminder that after all of these mistakes he got rewarded with a long term deal making him the best paid keeper in the world
So DDG out is now the flavour of the day at RedCafe...
He has been great. And clearly the best in the world at some points.
But we’d have done well money wise and probably should have sold.
Henderson straight in next season. Don’t care about losing money from DDG sale or on the bench.
Henderson no.1
But we’d have done well money wise and probably should have sold.
Henderson straight in next season. Don’t care about losing money from DDG sale or on the bench.
Henderson no.1
His peak was amazing though, he can get back there.I think Casillas is a cheap mdf version of peak De Gea. Ikea Casillas
He’s loved here that’s for sure, done some great stuff off the pitch. I really struggle to see him accepting a seat on the bench next season and I also struggle to see how de Gea is dropped too with his wages. It will be an interesting summer.
Iker casillas was absolutely impeccable in his day but I think de gea had a higher but shorter peak.
I think Casillas is a cheap mdf version of peak De Gea. Ikea Casillas
And every other keeper who plays against us.
flavour of the day? More like flavour of the year
Sooner or later, most of you will see the light. The truth is between the goal posts
It's because it plays well amongst the media and opposition fans to make out that without the god-like genius of De Gea we'd fail to ever win a point because of how terrible we are, hence making such a big deal of any decent save he makes and ignoring the fact that every decent keeper is capable of similar when called into action.
If we could find a buyer I'd get rid. But we won't. His best days are behind him now I reckon.
Be utter lunacy someone buying him now and matching his Utd wage. I think he will leave us on a free now at end of his deal.
Be utter lunacy someone buying him now and matching his Utd wage. I think he will leave us on a free now at end of his deal.
I think he’s been pretty solid recently. Since the new keeper coach arrived, actually.
Today’s mistake was not really a goalkeeping error, anyone can get a clearance blocked. It was a freak occurrence, especially the fact it deflected into the goal.
He’s still our best bet for the time being.
Today’s mistake was not really a goalkeeping error, anyone can get a clearance blocked. It was a freak occurrence, especially the fact it deflected into the goal.
He’s still our best bet for the time being.
Tom Heaton had been making sublime saves for Burnley too before he joined Villa. The saves against Lukaku and Zlatan were incredible. So I do agree that De Gea isn't the only keeper who pulls off sublime saves. Ask Burnley fans and they'll tell you Heaton was an extra 10 points every season.
So the question should be, is being crap at commanding your area and being below average at distributing the ball acceptable for a Man Utd keeper? The best keepers perform on the international stage and in European competition and are rightly lauded as the best like the Great Dane and Neuer did for club and country. De Gea was a very good keeper in English domestic football for a period, but is not world class due to the above criteria IMO.
Try him first as #1 for about 10 consistent games, while still keep DDG as #2.
Dean success, try and sell De Gea.
Dean fail, back to De Gea and find new keeper.
Dean success, try and sell De Gea.
Dean fail, back to De Gea and find new keeper.
This witch hunt is bizarre.
I’ve watched him this season, and he isn’t better than DDG today. He gets himself in awkward situations and makes “rookie” out of position mistakes. SU is very good at protecting him from himself and covering his mistakes. In his prime he may be DDG level or even better, but in my opinion it’s too early for world class level conversation.
I’m no keeper expert. But I think the average fan isn’t that clued up on how good a keeper is. We just judge on the mistakes mainly and he’s top of the league with Pickford in the cock up rankings this year. It’s sadly just not good enough for us right now especially during this transition season. I hope he can cut out these errors for rest of the season. If we got a good offer in the summer though I’d be tempted to cash in and give Henderson his chance.
If people are arguing that Henderson should be brought back to challenge De Gea, that's fine. DDG has been off his best for two seasons now so the challenge might do him good and, if not, playing Henderson might do us good. No downside, really.
If people are talking about simply handing the #1 spot to Henderson or (worse again) selling De Gea and actually depending on Henderson then that's a different matter entirely. Playing for Manchester United is an entirely different ball game to playing for a team like Sheffield United and Henderson wouldn't be the first to falter badly on that bigger stage. We can't just assume that Henderson will be a better option than even a sub-par De Gea simply based on his performances for a lesser club. He might be but he might not be, even without factoring in De Gea's own form potentially improving.
If people are talking about simply handing the #1 spot to Henderson or (worse again) selling De Gea and actually depending on Henderson then that's a different matter entirely. Playing for Manchester United is an entirely different ball game to playing for a team like Sheffield United and Henderson wouldn't be the first to falter badly on that bigger stage. We can't just assume that Henderson will be a better option than even a sub-par De Gea simply based on his performances for a lesser club. He might be but he might not be, even without factoring in De Gea's own form potentially improving.
These are the same footballing geniuses who think Shaw, AWB, Maguire, and Lindelof are lousy, too. According to them it’s a miracle we don’t ship 20 goals a game.
I have never really seen much of Henderson, i doubt many on here have too. My question is to those who know him well, how is he with his feet? Is he vocal and is he a dominant person? Those are the three areas De Gea is not good. Saying that De Gea is the best shot stopper in the world, he is only 29 but clearly confidence has taken a tumble of late. Quite a few goalkeepers have a blip in there career but given his age, i think De gea has the potential to come out of it. I would loan Henderson out for one more year and give De Gea another season. Hopefully with a new coach next year, he will not have to deal with as many shots.
Yeah I would agree with that, I was only joking, Casillas was class.
Tell you what though, it’s controversial I know, but I never got the hype around Buffon. I’ll get shot for it but there it is
They have kaylor navas.
Am I the only one who thought today was more a freak accident than an outright mistake? There's a culture around here of always needing a head to roll when sone thing goes wrong, but I'd argue that mistake could happen to a lot of keepers.
Not necessarily, look at Sanchez who we're still paying for.
He makes dodgy kicks every game, it was only a matter of time that he was caught out by one.
Yes he's made some howlers in the last year - but he's still a great keeper and United would be mad to try and replace him at this stage.
Even great players off bad runs. I remember greats like Schmeichel and Giggs having bad spells and some fans saying the club should move them - but ultimately the class and talent rises up and they return to form.
The squad is going through an overall, at a breakneck speed - some continuity is vital too. De Gea has been at the club a long time, knows what it takes to win the league etc.
Even great players off bad runs. I remember greats like Schmeichel and Giggs having bad spells and some fans saying the club should move them - but ultimately the class and talent rises up and they return to form.
The squad is going through an overall, at a breakneck speed - some continuity is vital too. De Gea has been at the club a long time, knows what it takes to win the league etc.
I'd be more than happy to see Serge and Henderson fight it out for #1 next season in preseason.
Understudy plays in the League Cup / Europa League or if we do end up with CL football then the 2 domestic cups.
Shifting DDG is going to be tricky. PSG perhaps the only likely destination.
Understudy plays in the League Cup / Europa League or if we do end up with CL football then the 2 domestic cups.
Shifting DDG is going to be tricky. PSG perhaps the only likely destination.
Pretty essential, and for 3-5 seasons was saving us as many points as Messi and Ronaldo were winning points.
Put Alisson in our net and I'd bet we ship more goals. He hasn't made a save even comparable to one of DDG's the whole time he's been in the Prem.
As for Henderson, I reckon some people are concentrating more on Sheff United's clean sheet record than what he's actually like as a keeper, seeing as so many here put all their value in select stats without context.
As for Henderson, I reckon some people are concentrating more on Sheff United's clean sheet record than what he's actually like as a keeper, seeing as so many here put all their value in select stats without context.
So you are saying that the grass isn't always greener? Say it ain't so?!
Unless DDG signs Riola....
He made a mistake . Countless mistakes of Henderson doesn't get big articles and scrutiny. We saw what happened with Ben Foster. Let's not jump on De Gea back considering he is having a bad season but it is after like 4-5 terrific ones