Yes but looks like the stat you posted for Alli is correct which is 19 goals.
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Yes but looks like the stat you posted for Alli is correct which is 19 goals.
Lol. His fellow professionals beg to differ, which is why they voted the Alli best young player ahead of Martial.
But of course you know more about football then they do.
http://www.transfermarkt.com/anthony-martial/leistungsdaten/spieler/182877
Martial: 22 goals, 12 assists (FA Cup page for 2015/16 was a bit buggy as it counted stats twice but I've put the correct totals to the left).
http://www.transfermarkt.com/dele-alli/leistungsdaten/spieler/207929
Alli: 19 goals, 15 assists
And his assists compared to Martial?
whoscored.com Doesnt have stats for the domestic cups.
Martial has 5 goals in these comps.
Alli has none.
17+5=22.
Martial has 5 goals in these comps.
Alli has none.
17+5=22.
Different sites have different definitions on what counts as an assist so two sites are unlikely to have the same numbers. Goals on the other hand can't be disputed.
What are you on about?
Alli has 19 goals for Spurs (18PL + 1CL)
Martial has 24 goals for United (13PL + 2CL + 2EL + 4FA + 3LC)
http://www.transfermarkt.com/dele-alli/leistungsdatenverein/spieler/207929
http://www.transfermarkt.com/anthony-martial/leistungsdatenverein/spieler/182877
Just Wiki the players that will give you the definitive numbers
I like Alli, we should put in a £20m bid after selling Fellaini for £30m.
How has Martial been brought into this? Alli is the best young midfielder currently. Martial is a forward in every regard
Discussion moved on a bit from best young midfielder.
Goals both players have scored in last 1.5 seasons:
There's pretty much no difference between Martial and Alli's performances over the last 1.5 years, to be honest. Or public perceptions (not that public opinion makes any difference).
An unbiased forum (non-Tottenham/non-United) would probably show this.
An unbiased forum (non-Tottenham/non-United) would probably show this.
Apart from goals, Martial also basically won an FA Cup singlehandedly. His semi final performance against Everton was legendary.
Alli has no honours to his name and may have to move to collect them.
I know it's unfair to compare team achievements when Alli is at a club recognised for failure, but Martial also lifted a lacklustre poorly coached side last season to trophy winners.
Alli has no honours to his name and may have to move to collect them.
I know it's unfair to compare team achievements when Alli is at a club recognised for failure, but Martial also lifted a lacklustre poorly coached side last season to trophy winners.
That's a really convenient way of looking at things.
Rooney and Rashford were both better in the final (arguably one or two others also were), and Martial didn't score either of the goals.
Martial was one of the best players in the run up to the finals.
Yeah he got overshadowed in the final but was great in the games ahead of that. I was more raving about his semi final performance which was phenomenal against a better side than we faced in the final. Ice cold winning goal. Difficult to imagine how much poorer our season would've been last year without that last minute deal for Martial.
Votes more often than not defy logic and sensibility. Just ask David Cameron and look at the Ballon D'or most years.
He's English in an English league where most players, teams and the press (especially the press) hate United with a passion and will always back the plucky underdog.
Yet he still didn't 'basically... singlehandedly' win the cup.
A number of players had their great moments/great games. Martial's great game may have been the best out of everyones, but that still doesn't equate to him dragging the team to cup success.
There's always some excuse. There are plenty of foreign players in the Prem. Moreover Martial wasn't the only young candidate, so to suggest that he was singled out because he plays for United is just paranoid: Giggs and Rooney received the same award (both twice), as did Beckham and Ronaldo, all when playing for United.
Alli was voted the best young player last season, and this season he has already nearly reached last season's goal tally. Deal with it.
That may well be true, but it probably doesn't have much to do with Alli winning these particular awards. He just had the more memorable league performances and goals whilst playing in a better team. Essentially, he hit similar stats to Martial in a more eye-catching way.
Martial was immense last year and I'm pretty sure he won an award for his performances over the year. Everyone was agreed that he was looking like going on to become one of the best players in the world. Alli hasn't come near that yet.
EDIT: It was the Golden Boy award for best young player in Europe.
You have mostly misunderstood my point. United players rarely win PoTY awards, but sometimes they do, as you pointed out. Sometimes winning the award doesn't mean there isn't a large bias against United in these areas.
I've never said Martial was better or worse than Alli. Though Martial is clearly more talented and a bigger threat to the opposition as an individual if not (last season) as part of the team. Alli is drastically overrated in England by nearly everyone, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
Fellaini was more important in that run but people won't like to admit it
Apart from not rating Alli, i love that comment.
And I think that describes (along with club focused agendas) 99% of the basis in deciding who gets these so called awards. They're a total farce IMO.
Bear in mind Martial did that in a LVG team that barely passed forward.....I think this season has skewed peoples memory. As goods as Alli played, he played in a free flowing United. If you were Martial, you can run all day. There was never a certainty you would get the ball so mentally he was great. I wouldn't trade them let's put it that way
Alli is Englands best young midfielder though. But then again, i don't think there is even any competition for that prize that i can think of. Some will say Barkley but he's still nowhere near this discussion as he's not hit any heights yet. Best young midfielder IN England though is quite comfortably Paul Pogba.
Everyone?
I certainly wasn't, he's a very good player but I didn't think then and don't think now that he will become one of the best players in the world, that's a very elite group.
Alli was also immense last year, and also won awards for his performances over the year.
And certainly not everyone was agreed with your last statement. Many feel he'll become a top player, same as for Alli.
Ok not literally everyone but there was definitely a lot of excitement around him and fans and pundits alike were talking about him one day getting to that level. He was unbelievable last year.
A United player has won the same award as Alli 7 times since 1990-91. That's around 25% of the time ... in a league of 20 teams.
Alli deserved the award ... and crying foul about it is just a load of incredibly biased and paranoid nonsense.
It's splitting hairs really as both have had a lot of plaudits over the last year. Taking Martial out of the equation, i just don't rate Alli like others seem to. He's still got to prove for me thag he's even better than the likes of Aaron Ramsey, who definitely isn't near the top level.
If I was biased (and some stat spouting Neanderthal) I would just cover my ears and tell you that Martial won the European Golden boy award which means he's better than Alli and should have won the PL award too. But that basis for judging a payer is total bollocks
Young PoY and senior PoY awards - deserving United players have been excluded too often over the years for the awards to be truly meritocratic.
I've just told you that a United player has won the same award as Alli 25% of the time since 1990-91. And yet this isn't enough to prevent you from saying "United players have been excluded too often".
This is all on a par with the claims on here for almost every United signing that they are either world class or a world-class prospect. I remember the same claim being made about your RB, Rafael, and the outrage expressed when Kyle Walker won the same award as Alli ahead of Rafael.
Well guess what, Walker has gone on to become one of the very best RBs in the Prem and Rafael was dumped by United. So go figure.
Walker was dreadful, so was Rafael. Neither should have won it.I'm not distinguishing between the young PoY and senior PoY awards as I believe they're voted on by the same club affiliated people. Regardless of winning the young PoY award 25% of the time, United players should have won English awards more often, I can't understand why you're so confused over my point here.
I'm not distinguishing between the young PoY and senior PoY awards as I believe they're voted on by the same club affiliated people. Regardless of winning the young PoY award 25% of the time, United players should have won English awards more often, I can't understand why you're so confused over my point here.
I understand your point perfectly: despite winning 25% of the YPoY awards in the last 25 years - and despite winning the senior PFA award 7 times in the last 16 years (nearly 50% of the time) - United players have been hard done by because of biased voting. What a load of bollocks.
PS. The "club affiliated people" you refer to are actually the players, who have to play against the one they vote for. I rather think their opinions carry a damn sight more weight than yours.
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Why are you even talking about Martial you weirdo
?True however it also doesn't mean hes miles ahead with the same qualities. As for what Muller has accomplished, Alli is way to young for that to be brought into the debate. Alli has also shown great versatility during his short tenure and has a great workrate.
I rate them about the same. Very different strengths and weaknesses though.
Alli suffers on here because he's not the United player, of course, but also because his style is explosive rather than smooth. Once upon a time that would have favoured him, but these days, on the Caf at least, a player whose every touch looks as cultured as the last generally gets a better review than a player whose knack for the spectacular is offset by occasionally looking a bit clumsy or rash.
Both ahead of the competition, anyway. Next tier are Rashford, Iheanacho and Iwobi, but none of them quite have that Rolls Royce aura yet.
Alli suffers on here because he's not the United player, of course, but also because his style is explosive rather than smooth. Once upon a time that would have favoured him, but these days, on the Caf at least, a player whose every touch looks as cultured as the last generally gets a better review than a player whose knack for the spectacular is offset by occasionally looking a bit clumsy or rash.
Both ahead of the competition, anyway. Next tier are Rashford, Iheanacho and Iwobi, but none of them quite have that Rolls Royce aura yet.