Tell me that Young deserves to be dropped on this form, just say it to me face and see what happens. 
Di Maria Has Earned Start Against City
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Di Maria is currently better suited to playing the position Fellaini is currently playing with a few modifications, however once again there is no way anybody in the side should be dropped on current form to accommodate him.
As I said he has to settle with super sub for now.
As I said he has to settle with super sub for now.
Why don't you go and make another 'Is David Moyes vindicated thread?', the last one closed so quickly I didn't have a chance to laugh at it! Whilst you were trying to draw comparisons with Moyes, I was telling you and others that were losing faith how Louis van Gaal is an excellent teacher and he will improve our players, he has got Young and Fellaini performing, he would have done it with Kagawa and Cleverely and he will do it next season with Angel di Maria.
I still maintain had David Moyes remained our manager Ashley Young wouldn't be good enough for him, Moyes would need one of the best wingers in the world to do what we did to City, I'm not sure why you don't see that?
Edit - I also love how every time you watch Young play you think of a poster on red cafe, I never think of you! Don't you think something is wrong there?
Double Edit - Interviewer to Young - 'how have you got your career going again', Young replied 'I just listened to the manager and did what he said'. Excellent timing there Young, as Louis van Gaal says 'if the players do as I say we shall win'.
Oh the irony of this post.
No complaints about Di maria's sub appearance or how his last few subs have been, they've looked pretty promising actually. Just when the team is working so well like this it's impossible for anyone to come into the team and it'd be very harsh to change anything, and I'm sure the players realize this.
The likes of Young, Mata Herrera and Fellaini are playing for the team. ADM no doubt has brilliant individual skills and pace but he's not coming across as a team player. He's regularly and repeatedly given away possession since those first successful few weeks.
Football is a team game and no player is bigger than the team. That's the reason why the others are in favour. Not only are they putting in team performances but the four of them are also contributing goals and assists.
Football is a team game and no player is bigger than the team. That's the reason why the others are in favour. Not only are they putting in team performances but the four of them are also contributing goals and assists.
We need to drop Young.Tell me that Young deserves to be dropped on this form, just say it to me face and see what happens.
I think the best thing for ADM is to continue his cameos from the bench for the rest of the season, get a decent break and come into pre-season firing.
His individual pieces of skill and passing range are fantastic at times but he's not 'clicked' with the rest of the team the way Young, Fellaini, Herrera, Mata, etc have. He plays in a different style to everyone else which can lead to moments of brilliance but also puts us under pressure.
He's clearly a fantastic player so I hope he gets his head down and really focuses on improving his teamwork in the summer. I don't want to see his creative side muted but he needs to stop being the superstar and pick his moment better. Then he'll deserve a starting place.
His individual pieces of skill and passing range are fantastic at times but he's not 'clicked' with the rest of the team the way Young, Fellaini, Herrera, Mata, etc have. He plays in a different style to everyone else which can lead to moments of brilliance but also puts us under pressure.
He's clearly a fantastic player so I hope he gets his head down and really focuses on improving his teamwork in the summer. I don't want to see his creative side muted but he needs to stop being the superstar and pick his moment better. Then he'll deserve a starting place.
He is a brilliant player but to be frank he hasn't been good enough for us. I think next season will be when we can decide if he should stay. Atm he is deservedly on the bench but we all know you don't pay 60 million for a squad player. I have faith that he will revive his Madrid form and I hope he does because he is too good a footballer not to.
Not seeing an easy way back for Di Maria right now. Frankly, the team works better as a unit without him.
Di Maria is a wonderful player but he looks like a square peg in Van Gaal's unit of round holes. He isn't linking with his full back or nearest midfielder.
Maybe Van Gaal's emphasis on team shape is too restrictive for him? Just seems to be finding it hard to gel with the rest of the team.
Di Maria is a wonderful player but he looks like a square peg in Van Gaal's unit of round holes. He isn't linking with his full back or nearest midfielder.
Maybe Van Gaal's emphasis on team shape is too restrictive for him? Just seems to be finding it hard to gel with the rest of the team.
Can't get in at LCM or LW at all. Unlikely to be played up front again. I wouldn't drop Mata either on current form. Only way in is through injury at the moment!
Over the summer he will need to work more to fit into the team - I suppose we need to define his role either as a winger or a midfielder and train him in that position. It's been really stop/start for him this season and unfortunately he hasn't been able to adapt to the shifting formations quite as well as his three competitors - Young especially who was playing excellently both at LWB and LW.
What we know is that Di Maria's top level is higher than Young or Fellaini so we really should be trying to find a way in for him.
Over the summer he will need to work more to fit into the team - I suppose we need to define his role either as a winger or a midfielder and train him in that position. It's been really stop/start for him this season and unfortunately he hasn't been able to adapt to the shifting formations quite as well as his three competitors - Young especially who was playing excellently both at LWB and LW.
What we know is that Di Maria's top level is higher than Young or Fellaini so we really should be trying to find a way in for him.
Di Maria is a team player, he is just not a player for this team, it's hard for a player to adapt to a philosophy who is almost the total opposite of what he is. Like I said a few weeks ago, you won't see Di Maria signed by Barcelona.
Even though that may be true, when it all comes down to it, what's important is how a player adapts to a system. Young and Fellaini are working fantastically well in it, better than what Di Maria has shown this season even at his best in my eyes. The balance Young or Mata (wingers) or Herrera (midfield) has portrayed for us has been better than what Di Maria has shown.
Di Maria can either adapt his game to fit into this system, or Van Gaal once again adapts his system to get the best out of ADM. Which one is easier? Painfully obviously it's the former option.
Unfortunately, I can't see him being as efficient as Young at the moment.
World of Football: ADM >>>> Young
Manchester United's football: Young >>> ADM.
That’s the biggest worry for me. He comes on the pitch and immediately looks like a player who isn’t part of that cohesive team. I suppose there are many reasons for that, it was a very difficult year for him all things considered and no doubt he deserves another season.
However… I would not be surprised at all if he moved this summer. He doesn’t strike me as a van Gaal type of player and he definitely was too expensive and too high profile not to be a starter for us.
Quoting you because that’s exactly how van Gaal sees it IMO. That’s also why Blind is playing LB. As good as Shaw is defensively, Daley is light years ahead of Luke attacking wise.
Indeed - in our current set up, he can't play either position as well as these two. Young puts more effort in dropping back, and Fellaini has the height and strength advantage which we are utilising to great effect.
I'm not convinced this left-flank tactic is something we can use quite as extensively as we have been doing in the last few matches. On Sky they were showing the attack stats and it was ~45% down the left. That's not going to be possible every time, no matter how good Fellaini is at his job. We will need to mix it up.
Having said that, I think it's more likely that he would fill the winger berth now, but he will need to work over summer on his overall game and fitting into LvG's system as you say.
The team has been too good to drop anyone especially his competitors, he needs to redefine himself to become relevant in this side.
Yes Louis van Gaal can take responsibility for getting Fellaini to perform like one of the best premiership players, I don't think anybody denies that here. But now you seem to think that means he is not good enough to be a premiership footballer?
'League 2 level', 'not as good as the random blokes I play football with', how ridiculous an opinion. I'm quite sure all on here would sooner Iniesta as our 10 next season but not even that, they would rather Herrera perform that function or Juan Mata and somebody like Strootman (minus the injury problems) perform deeper.
I also criticised Fellaini's performances last season but despite this I still accepted he is good enough for the premiership! So no, there is no irony in that post, perhaps you want there to be so you can be vindicated for thinking his level is playing football with you.
The irony is you bitching about another poster's obsession and the fact that they think of you whenever they watch a player play.
Di Marias chance will come. Much like other players who have joined us and have got a good run now, I think Di Maria with a pre-season with the team (no international tournament) will be much better next season and more influential for us.
Di Maria is more than good enough for us but atm shouldn't be starting. His time will come soon, look at how patient Mata had to be. I am confident he will be starting games next season.
correct he deserved to start and still does but others do as well. Once on the bench you have to wait for your chance and with Louis as a coach your name doesn't help you a bit!
I think this is really key. At Madrid, he was part of a team that was all about the fast paced counter, driving at the opposition. Here is having to be more methodical and patient. I am sure he will be able to come through, as the best players do, but for now he needs to listen and follow what the manager says more. Young has done it and is thriving.
He also needs to stop taking silly shots from ridiculous places. It's just giving the ball away.
Copa America, 11 June – 4 July 2015.
Perhaps unfortunately for us he'll be going away to the Copa America this summer.
Oh no 
Thanks guy.
Feck. Well, hopefully Argentina get knocked out quickly lol. They will probably make the final and lose which makes it even worse.
Thanks guy.Feck. Well, hopefully Argentina get knocked out quickly lol. They will probably make the final and lose which makes it even worse.
On top of anything else, I think that if LVG dropped any of our front five (Rooney, Young, Fellaini, Herrera, Mata) it would send a really bad message out to the squad - that LVG doesnt care about form and will cater to the big names.
Fortunately LVG is not like that. He doesnt care how big of a name and reputation you have, or how much you cost - he is picking players on form and that sends the message out to the players that if you play well, you will continue to be picked.
We have suffered from some complacency in recent years due to managers picking the biggest names rather than the players in form.
Fortunately LVG is not like that. He doesnt care how big of a name and reputation you have, or how much you cost - he is picking players on form and that sends the message out to the players that if you play well, you will continue to be picked.
We have suffered from some complacency in recent years due to managers picking the biggest names rather than the players in form.
Has his shooting always been as poor as it has been since he's been here? Tame shot after tame shot.
Agree 100%.
LVG has a history of benching big name players - much to the annoyance of big name players. Ask Ribery and now Falcao and Di Maria - I think RVP will also be joining this group of players.
At the moment at least, Di Maria will have to be content as a super sub, but one thing LVG said in an interview after the Man City game, is that he should not have made (useless) substitutions at the end of the game, just to give game time to the fringe players (ie. Di Maria and Falcao) - he acknowledged that this was a mistake. Yesterday, by using up all his subs, we played the game out with 10 men, after Carrick's injury, during which time MCFC scored a goal.
So maybe, from now own Di Maria may find it even more difficult to get any minutes on the pitch.
For the time being at least, Di Maria is not good enough to start a game for us. I know that some people have a problem with this, but when you check our results without him starting, we've been damn good (ie. near unbeatable). I think only Arsenal are better than us, in terms of recent form.
With regards to next year, we will have far more games to play and perhaps in CL football, Di Maria will be able to show his class, so he is definitely worth keeping for next year. Furthermore, if Young gets injured, we need Di Maria to step in. Di Maria, just needs to wait for his chance and then impress once he gets it. His last start was against Arsenal I think and IMO, that was a disaster.
I honestly don't remember him shooting as much for Madrid.
I wouldn't be too concerned, the people keeping him out of the team are all players initially deemed flops who stuck at it. He should just get his head down and work on fitting the formation and he'll get his chance.
Must be due to the fact that he's been playing on the right for us, recently; whereas, with Madrid, he played on the left, and was less inclined to shoot, given he doesn't rate his right foot.
Other than that, he seemed perfectly happy, yesterday, and will be well aware of the fact that we're going places.
Yep, and this goes with Riberys point, (which for some reason Ribery saw as a negative) names dont mean much to LVG. Form means, rightfully, that Young (and Mata) are keeping Di Maria out the team.
the good thing for Di Maria is that he almost can replace anyone in that team if needed(Young, Mata, Fella, Herrera) so he will get a fair share of game time. We cant start every game with same team and few players will eventually need some rest so Di Maria will get his chance then.