maybe Hazard watched that match and saw how devoid we were of a player like him, and how City aren't 
Eden Hazard | "I am signing for Chelsea"
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Sadly not anymore.City has a big chance to win the league and will be in the CL next season, they'll probably strengthen in the summer.Money plays an important role of course but if City were 16th with the same amount of cash (it's a bit of a paradox I know) you can be sure he wouldn't wanna sign for them
I dont either but if it comes down to money we are fecked.
United have the same chances. You're right in saying that money isn't the sole reason for every player going there any more, but when the choice is between United and City then money is absolutely the only reason to go there.
Ok, fine. I'll drop bits and bobs as and when.
I think it's too narrow minded and even arrogant to see things like that.For instance a player could have a special connection with Mancini or a Man City player, this player could be wanted by both United and City and in the end he chooses City.Yes money plays a role but the player could also wanna work with people he's more familiar with (specially if it's Mancini).
It's just one example of a possible reason why a player would choose City, the player could also have a true hatred for Man United and would therefore logically wanna play for City.
The money thing just simply is not true anymore. Why did Aguero, Silva and Yaya move there? I know they are getting paid mental amounts of money but they are going to win things, and will be competing in the champions league every season why wouldn't they move to City? Something we also offer players, but i'm sure we went over similiar discussions when Chelsea started competing, and we lost out to Robben and Essien.
Eh? As evident at other top clubs, having a stronger XI doesn't mean they'll play like that the entire season. Injuries, injury prevention and the ability to rotate is utterly crucial to bestow when you have 38 games plus three cups to consider. How would City fare if they had injuries on Aguero, Silva, Nasri, Balotelli and their centerbacks for a prolonged amount of time - and get Kompany out for the entire season? One could only assume worse than now. We are currently only second behind them because of goal difference, despite them "having a superior XI".
Having a superior XI isn't going to guarantee you anything if you neglect the other bits.
Is there like a general transfer thread or something where I can summarise what I've heard? I've had a corker on modric for a while but didn't want to post it because it's all a bit intangible and impossible to prove.
FFS there starting 11 are not "superior by quite a bit" as is evident with our respective league positions. We have been without the majority of our first team for the whole season. Right now we have 8 players injured to Citehs 1, so if their squad is so much better than ours how the feck are we level on points?
Do you think they would be where they are if they had lost Kompany for the whole season as we have lost Vidic?
Do you think they would be where they are if they had lost Kompany for the whole season as we have lost Vidic?
You can post it in the Modric/Sneijder thread.
I wouldn't agree with that. A few years ago, yes, but now they've got every chance of being PL champions, they are finanacially secure, looking to continue investing in a top class team so you'd have to be mad to think they won't win trophies under the current ownership. If you've got no affiliation to United and want medals then City look a reasonable bet at the moment. And they'll only gets stronger.
so a load of balls then?..go on we are waiting
1 league title against 19 league titles, 3 CL and god knows how many FA and league cups. We can offer Hazard CL football in the same way Shitty does + we're a bigger club, we're lead by pros who wouldn't players just for Lulz (apart from the occasional Bebe and Mame) and we can offer stability and career's development something Shitty can't (or at least not as much as we do)
If he goes to Shitty it will be because of the money. Its still a concerning and important issue that need to be considered by the United front (ie no one expects us to compete financially against the likes of City, on the other hand is it time to reconsider our wage structure as we did during the late 90s?) but that would be it....MONEY.
Here we go. I'll pass. Back to the old plan. Ta ra.
that is b.s face it.
City can now offer more than just money.
CL football, and the chances to win trophies.
Fa cup last year, possibly the premier league this year.
What can we offer that they cant right now? history?
does that really mean that much too players more than money?
Oh you cock tease you
To the risk of getting into trouble for your sake, but cut the crap. I know people who are SAF's friends and who told them that Gazza and Shearer were all but done. It turned out that SAF was wrong and these people ended up looking like cretins.
The transfer market is highly unpredictable. One good offer can turn things around. We've seen that happening even last summer with Nasri. So your mate should stop talking bollocks and you should consider not repeating them.
You're looking at it from a Man United fan POV and it's perfectly understandable.Players generally don't care about the previous history of the club they're about to join.They're looking at things now and City is a good club to be part of if you wanna compete in the PL and play in the CL.
As much as it's painful for us United fans, it's something we're gonna have to accept just like it was for Chelsea when Abramovich bought them.
Like I said, if City was fighting for the Europa League places and still had that crazy amount of money, do you think they'd be able to sign the players they have and be linked with that many of them ?
I don't think so, it's hurting us as United fans but it's not good to refuse the truth.History only matters to players who are fans of the club they're linked with
We can offer Hazard CL football and we've got more experience then them in winning trophies (we've reached the CL finals in 3 occasions). We can also offer him an experienced manager who knows how to develop kids and stability (ie nearly zero risk of having to face another manager in 6 months time who may not like his style of play and would kick his butt first to the reserves and then to some second rated club). Not to forget that we dont have a reputation of buying players for Lulz. Finally, we need Hazard more then Shitty does which means he's got more chance of playing regular football here then at Shitty.
What Shitty can offer more then us is money.
It's a good job I've not made any claims at all about deals being done then isn't it cock end.
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That's not the same thing as saying
"If he goes to Shitty it will be because of the money" is it ?
City may only offer money than at United but it wouldn't be the only reason for a player to go there.Two different things we're talking about here
Not really. We have a forum where all a hardcore group of people do all day every day is wank about reports from tribal football about who we are signing and who we aren't. I thought I'd add a bit of informed comment to it but unfortunately that's not allowed on here, so I'll keep it to myself. Apparently it's not possible that anyone knows anything unless it's written in the daily star or something. So anyway, there's a group of piss takers who ruin for themselves and everyone else. I don't need the grief, so thats your lot.
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This is exactly what I was saying in my thread about midfield and tactical traditions. I think it's what we should do but I just can't see Ferguson actually doing it. In an ideal world we would activate Ba's reported £7m release clause instead of Owen as he's shown he can work hard in deeper and wider positions if needed.
I agree in that "money" in general may be a major factor - but not just because of what he'll be getting paid.
Players want to see a club on the up with chances to win silverware year on year.
Currently United are right up there - and it's down to one man only, getting the best from a squad in need of investment to continue the level of success.
Conversely, city appear to be on an upward curve for certain given the amouint of cahs they ahve and the ambition of the owners.
Very true. 3-4 years ago I was the first to brand the likes of Robinho, Wright Phillips, Kompany, Tevez, Bridge, Bellamy, De Jong etc mercenaries because they were players who went to a mid-table club despite having options at superior clubs (vastly superior in some cases).
Nowadays they are one of the only 2 clubs (arguably 3) that a player would think are almost guaranteed Champions League football for the next few seasons.
If I wasn't a United fan I'm not sure I could justify going to United over City if the pay at City was a few £m a year more. Add in to that the fact that a player might be thinking the manager who signs him at United might not be there when he is hitting the peek of his career and it is a much more difficult career choice than some on here make out.
I haven't seen things from a Manchester United fan POV for years now, hence the reason why I get criticized in here (+ the fact that my sarcasm is understood only by myself). I dont see us as the center of the world. For example the Spanish big clubs can offer more money then us and a better standard of living. When I went to Manchester I was horrified how ugly the city is so if Im a neutral then I wouldn't go there unless Im desperate.
Returning to Hazard, history means alot in terms of consistency. We're a big club, who had been piling honors for fun for the last 2 decades and who had been consistency and magnificently lead by one manager. That means alot for a player. As a United fan you're used to one manager, with one set of rules etc. However things are different at other clubs. Managers are sacked regularly, new managers will play different formations and players may not suit those systems at all. Ill give you an extreme example of what could happen. A couple of years ago I've seen an interesting documentary about an experienced Italian manager called Mazzone. He was the sort of father figure same as SAF is, and he went to Inter to check about Roberto Baggio who has gone out of the picture for quite some time. To his horror he found that Baggio was barred from training with the club and had to train from home. The reason being that Inter's new manager Marcello Lippi didn't like the guy so he just told him from day 1 not to bother to turn to work. Mazzone got Baggio for peanuts and ressurected his career at Brescia. There's a long list of players whose career went downwards due to a set of wrong transfer decisions.
Mind you I am not naive. I know that money have a great say in what a player does and honestly I think that Shitty are the favorites in this deal. However let us not be dishonest and say that he would be going there not for money. We're a better option in anything but that.
Im just giving you a friendly advice that's all. As said, I've got drinking mates who are practically SAF's close mates. Those deals were all but sealed.
I find it hard to see us buying both Hazard and Kagawa.
He's whored the front page of L'Equipe this morning.
They reckon it's between City or United.
So he'll end up at Chelsea then if typical journalism rules of getting it wrong apply here.
Aye, a certain Manchester United legend (still playing) from these parts told revellers in one of our local pubs during Euro 96 that Shearer was a done deal.
In my experience and although some posters seem disbelieving of this, people directly connected with Manchester United and at high levels, casually share transfer stories with people, who then tell other people and so on.
Paddy Crerand used to repeatedly say on MUTV (when I subscribed a few years back) that stories 'always' get out of the club.
He's whored the front page of L'Equipe this morning.
They reckon it's between City or United.
Looks like he's looking at the word 'United'. Its a sign!!
He's whored the front page of L'Equipe this morning.
They reckon it's between City or United.
The article states that United will be in pole as we can give him a place over him competing with the established stars at Citeh. Journo speculation I know, but I'd prefer to read that than Citeh are guaranteed his signature because of money.
Lets give RedRichio immunity from pisstakings. Whether his info turns out to be right or wrong, it'll keep us entertained. Plus I want to hear this modric rumour.
No one is saying that.
Money plays a role but it's not everything, answer this devilish, do you think Hazard would choose City over United if City was not playing a european competition or playing the Europa league ?
A player that talented and that young will go for the best possible combination between money and trophies.Otherwise he'd choose PSG who are very interested in him and who are capable of offering the same type of wages City could (therefore United couldn't)
Ditto, but he's gone all cock tease on us and spat his dildo out of the pram.
I wont be surprised if he does although I admit it would make Shitty a less attractive option. The gap between United and Shitty had grown thinner but its still there.
Now my turn. What can Shitty offer him that we can't (and in many terms better then City)?
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