I think Zidane's on to something here.
Elon Musk's epic bacon adventures
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Since when do you bite?
The state of this...
It has a certain bond villain v Mad Max vibe.
He looks more like one of those tiki torch-carrying nazis
He wants to build a base on Mars and remote control monkey brains.... so yeah bond villain suits him
really can't stand this bullshitting tosser
Which will be his demise imo. If he just stuck to Tesla and SpaceX (as in just helping the government send satellites into orbit), he would do much better.
He has enough money for a hundred lifetimes. Building a base in Mars is not about money. To be fair, he had this mission since he started SpaceX and since then his wealth has increased more than a hundred times.
He should stick to things that actually help humans on earth instead of pretending like he's humanity's savior. Tesla is a good thing and he should work on developing it more.
I agree with this. I think that Tesla has had a massive net positive in humanity. Going to Mars on the other hand…let’s just say that there are more pressing concerns.
But it would be one of humanity’s biggest victories if it ever happen. Also, there is nothing to suggest that his work in SpaceX has a negative impact on Tesla.
Nope.
SAY IT WITH ME: MUSK NEVER FOUNDED TESLA. HE PAID FOR THE TITLE.
He is officially a cofounder. In any case, he took over a baby company which now has over a trillion evaluation and is bigger than the rest of car market combined.
Please, I beg you, just read something other than Musk's PR. In taking over the company, he paid for the title. He co-founded shit.
Secondly, the fact that a company cannot turn a profit selling cars without government subsidies for carbon credits is worth more than the entire automotive car market combined doesn't show "genius", it shows how fecked the modern economic system is.
It’s certainly only bigger if you measure by market cap due to its gross overvaluation. By revenue, market share, cars produced, etc. they are nowhere near.
It doesn't matter if he founded it or assumed leadership later. The value proposition of Tesla (namely its electric cars on the road today, as well as the charging infrastructure) were implemented by Musk.
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Which sort of says something about him.
Dude, that company had sold 0 cars before he took over. It was a company who had produced nothing and had sold nothing.
I mean, he put his own money in a company who had no revenue and no product, and then did that again in addition to getting money from the other investors. And eventually took over completely and then they started building and selling cars.
I know that Tesla existed before Elon Musk got affiliated with them, but for all practical purposes, they had done nothing before that.
Tesla has very little value proposition.
If you don't think Musk is a smart guy then we fundamentally see it different. Smart doesn't equal decent. He may be an asshole at times, even a manchild, but to say he isn't smart is an odd hill to die on.
Ffs
No. Anyone can make something fail.
Just listen to him speak for ten minutes.
No. Abolish cars. Or personal car ownership. It’s a ridiculous principle for cities.
Mandate an upper cap, but include one person under 25 as a group of 9. Rotate that lower voice out every three years.
We need smarter solutions.
Tesla is the world's largest EV maker and make a pretty good car. They also make a comprehensive charging infrastructure for their cars. You have to decouple the car from the owner's personality.
No Space X is pretty amazing whether it ends up as the first galactic empire or a footnote in history. Almost nobody could do that.
Not sure how smart he is, but he is a pretty effective salesman.
420 69 lolll what a guy
Smart isn't just booksmarts. Being effective at sales is a quality on its own. Especially when we're talking the level on which Elon Musk operates, with international investors across nations. He's not exactly selling lemonade around the corner.
But I guess dealing with business at a cross-national level, in industries like EV and space, doesn't make you smart because @Murder on Zidane's Floor heard him speak for 10 minutes.
The cars, are, by and large, awful, crudely built and relied on first mover advantage.
They now have given away their leverage against the competition by allowing other car owners to use their chargers.
Now there is no benefit to buying a Tesla (for the network) and putting up with the poor build quality and crap customer service.
Secondly, charging stations queues are becoming a real thing given the time it takes to charge.
Yeah, pretty much.
So he was an investor who went on to become CEO. Yet passes himself as a co-founder. Why would someone do that? Why would his role in building the company not be enough for him?
The whole created and sold nothing at that time doesn't really mean that much when the company itself was started in 2003, had to design and build a car whilst looking for investment.
They were annoying at first but the design and functionality are on another level to other EV makers who are still scrambling to catch up. Its also a nice gesture that Tesla is sharing its infrastructure, as it helps promote EVs more broadly, which is a massive incentive to get more people to ditch fossil fuel cars and go electric.
Rather than smart, you could say he's an incredibly effective businessman who is very good at making his ideas a reality. Obviously thousands of people are involved in that process, which requires hiring the right people with the necessary skill sets to make it happen.
The co-founder bit was as a result of a legal decision involving one of the original two guys who founded the company a year before Musk got involved. The company itself was generally meaningless for its first decade of existence until the model S came out in 2012.