That's true, however Brobbey was hesitant to sign a contract long before Ajax acquired Haller. He will earn 3 million net at Leipzig, which would be more than what Ajax pay Blind, Tadic, Haller gross. I feel like Raiola knew of his status and contract length and knew what he could get out of it, I think Brobbey would have liked to stay.That final paragraph is another reason why the Leipzig move makes sense. They also have a strong tactical system and give youth a chance (well, young up-and-coming players, anyway; I don't know about their own youth).
It's an interesting conundrum Ajax are finding themselves with. To be more competitive internationally, you guys have loosened the purse strings, so you can keep players longer and buy higher-profile players, like Haller. But that creates a risk for your development model, as those players are in the way of the youngsters that otherwise would have had more opportunities to play in those positions. There was a piece in the Volkskrant some weeks ago that this has been an issue recently (I don't remember details), and as I've been saying, I suppose it's one of the reasons behind Brobbey's move. It's something you guys will have to figure out.
I don't actually know that one. I'm finding 'it fits as a flag on a broomstick' online, but I feel it rather misses the 'modderschuit' (mud barge).
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I'm curious to see how far Brobbey will go. He's great for his age, but these physically strong dudes tend to stand out less when leaving the physically weak Eredivisie. Hope he'll be a star though, God knows we could use a good striker for Oranje.
But his physically strong is a very different type to the general physically strong, he is a beast. I have never seen someone with his body at such a young age, he doesnt have any fat on him, he is just muscle, but still very fast. And he doesn't only rely on his physique, but just utilizes it wonderfully. But ofcourse, it is easier in the Eredivisie than other competitions. But Since he was a young boy the talk has always been when he grows older, the physical advantages will fade anyway and he will as well, but he seems to be getting even better and better.
However, will he become Oranje's #1 striker? I don't know. Malen and Boadu are superb strikers in my book, and so will Julian Rijkhoff be I think.
Looks like the national team should be good there in a couple of years - assuming at least a few of these prospects manage to properly establish themselves. That'd be very welcome: I was looking at the current selection last week, and damn it's poor in all areas apart from the few obvious 'stars'.
We are an absolute mess right at the moment Ajax have become really good. Title race is death for the upcoming seasons as we are the only real competition most of the seasons for Ajax.
I had high hopes of Schmitt's approach actually, but it's not working for them so far. I also though AZ could do it again, like last year, but their slow start has done them in. Still, Jansen is doing a good job, and they might be competitive next year if they can hang on to their main players - which I guess is unlikely with Stengs, Boadu, and Koopmeiners showing their class in two seasons now.
Yeah his build is insane, that's for sure.
Malen and Boadu are both very talented, but I'm hesitant to rate any AZ attacker after the last few years. Let's see how he does outside of Alkmaar. Malen is probably the front runner for now, but if Brobbey develops himself well, who knows.
I wish Feyenoord had some notable talents to get excited about
Isn't Bijlow supposed to be very good? Injured a bit often though, if I'm not mistaken. And I guess keepers are anyway generally not players to get super excited about.Yeah his build is insane, that's for sure.
Malen and Boadu are both very talented, but I'm hesitant to rate any AZ attacker after the last few years. Let's see how he does outside of Alkmaar. Malen is probably the front runner for now, but if Brobbey develops himself well, who knows.
I wish Feyenoord had some notable talents to get excited about
He hasn't impressed me the few times I've seen him. He had a few blunders in his last appearance. It would be a good sign if he's our no. 1 for the upcoming U21's though.
My favorite player (Berghuis excluded) is Sinisterra. He does something interesting every game, even if it doesn't always work out, similar to Ajax's Antony.
The Dutch youngster I'm most excited about is Geertruida. Not a technical wizard but he's fast, strong, has great stamina and heading ability. I could see him surpass Tete or Dumfries.
I still think there's a good player in Haps. My only criticism of Advocaat is him favoring Malacia. Seems a bit cowardly to not play the more attacking fullback. I feel for him when gets subbed on as a winger for the last 15 minutes of a match.
He's very talented, but injured about half the time, which is doubly odd for someone who just stands in a goal doing feck all.
Ok, might be selling keepers short there, but still.
How do you guys rate Bergwijn? Is he better than what he's showing for Spurs right now?
Not really. He's talented, but always lacked end product. If he can learn to stay cool in the box, there might be a Spurs level player in there, since has has the tools to do well, good dribbler, quite fast, decent in linkup play. I just, dunno, I dont see him ever becoming spectacular. He's a worse Depay.
Yes, this is my impression too. Works hard and generally uses the ball well but not much to get excited about, he's also not as quick as I imagined he would be and rarely beats a player.
I'd happily send him back if we could work Madueke into the deal.
Yeah it really should, with Frenkie, Ake, De Ligt, Wijndal, Gravenberch, Ihattaren, Donny, Malen, Boadu, Stengs, Lang, Brobbey, Koopmeiners Holland actually has some very big talents. De Vrij, Van Dijk, Wijnaldum, Memphis also have some years left to play. I think the poor selection is mainly due to unknown players, weird choices, injuries and players going to the Euro U-21.
Yeah Malen is a much more complete player at this point, not surprised as well. Malen was genuinely a superstar talent in the Ajax Academy, if he would have stayed, barring injuries, by now he would have been sold to one of the best teams in the world for a crazy fee.Yeah his build is insane, that's for sure.
Malen and Boadu are both very talented, but I'm hesitant to rate any AZ attacker after the last few years. Let's see how he does outside of Alkmaar. Malen is probably the front runner for now, but if Brobbey develops himself well, who knows.
I wish Feyenoord had some notable talents to get excited about
I understand your hesitant attitude to AZ strikers
, but Weghorst is doing great though and Boadu was also a phenomenal talent that Ajax has tried to sign multiple times even before he broke through at AZ.It amazes me that Berghuis is in the league. It's also amazing that Ajax didn't break the bank for him after losing Ziyech.
Why? He isn't that good, maybe at the level of a good rotation player for Ajax.
I’m still not fully convinced by Malen. He misses so many clear changes and his build up play is also not top notch.
Is Gotze doing well?
I'm not sure I'd put Malen and Boadu in the same category. Malen has the superior technique and is lightning quick as well. I'm doubtful Boadu's reliance on his pace and strength will get him far in a better league.
Yes, in possession he's phenomenal. When PSV lose the ball he's useless. Avoids duels like the plague, probably scared to get injured.
@Bale Bale Bale that's a spot on description of Bergwijn by KirkDuyt. I could see him becoming a fullback if he's unable to improve his finishing. Madueke is nowhere near ready for the EPL, but I highly rate him.
Yes, in possession he's phenomenal. When PSV lose the ball he's useless. Avoids duels like the plague, probably scared to get injured.
@Bale Bale Bale that's a spot on description of Bergwijn by KirkDuyt. I could see him becoming a fullback if he's unable to improve his finishing. Madueke is nowhere near ready for the EPL, but I highly rate him.
Crazy talk, he'd moonwalk into that Ajax side.
He'd be great at a dominant team like Ajax. You make him sound like Labyad. He's been nearly the most productive player in the league for 3 years in a row. And his teammates are shite.
His left foot and Haller up front would be brilliant. Though I understand he's a bit hard to like by oppos. He is a bit of a cnut after all.
He's not a premier league level player. He already failed at Watford. He might make it in Germany in a Schalke or whatever team but that's a big maybe. In a Ajax or PSV team he would thrive absolutely.
Labyad isn't a good rotation player. Berghuis is clearly better, but he's not good enough to start over Antony or Neres. The most productive thingy is also a bit a of lie because he takes all the penalties. 22 of his 52 goals in the last 3 seasons(including cup matches and EL) are from penalties. There's a reason nobody wants Berghuis even though his limited transfer clause is really low. To me he just looks good compared to his teammates, like Labyad did at Utrecht. Labyad is now by far the worst player for Ajax while being the best at Utrecht.
By far our best player but has been injured quite a lot.
He's nowhere near Tadic and at a very similar level to Neres/Antony, Neres more proven in Europe. Not so sure about moonwalk but I'd take him. PSV could use him, he's better than what they have but there is no money to get out of him compared to their younger options.
I could see PSV challenging next year if they replace their awful midfield (Rosario and Sangare). They should be looking at Joey Veerman (Heerenveen) or bringing Propper (Brighton) back. I don't think they'll fork out the cash for Bazoer (Vitesse) or Koopmeiners (AZ).
As for us, we'll probably sell Berghuis (RW), Senesi (CB) and Kokcu (MF)
I think we should pick up Viergever (CB) from PSV on a free and move Geertruida to CB. Would open up the RB slot (pun intended) for AZ's Svensson. We'll end up playing Texeira in Kokcu's spot.
It's unlikely Ihattaran (PSV) will give us a look. We're rumoured to be looking at Boca Juniors' Zeballos (RW). Maybe we have a shot at Zirkzee (CF) if he flops at Parma.
It will be another struggle for European football, but it's better than going bankrupt.
Yeah, it's pretty close. He's overrated because of the NT and Feyenoord fans being Feyenoord fans. He's carried us for 3 seasons, so I'm not complaining.
That doesn't really tell the full story. He's improved since his AZ days. Watford bought a winger when the new manager decided to play a system without wingers. EPL clubs will be lining up for 4M (release clause).
Berghuis will likely pick a safer option but he'd have a 50-50 chance at making it for a lower table EPL team, I think.
Also you're underestimating both Ajax and PSV, they're a class or 2 above Schalke.
As for us, we'll probably sell Berghuis (RW), Senesi (CB) and Kokcu (MF)
I think we should pick up Viergever (CB) from PSV on a free and move Geertruida to CB. Would open up the RB slot (pun intended) for AZ's Svensson. We'll end up playing Texeira in Kokcu's spot.
It's unlikely Ihattaran (PSV) will give us a look. We're rumoured to be looking at Boca Juniors' Zeballos (RW). Maybe we have a shot at Zirkzee (CF) if he flops at Parma.
It will be another struggle for European football, but it's better than going bankrupt.
Yeah, it's pretty close. He's overrated because of the NT and Feyenoord fans being Feyenoord fans. He's carried us for 3 seasons, so I'm not complaining.
That doesn't really tell the full story. He's improved since his AZ days. Watford bought a winger when the new manager decided to play a system without wingers. EPL clubs will be lining up for 4M (release clause).
Berghuis will likely pick a safer option but he'd have a 50-50 chance at making it for a lower table EPL team, I think.
Also you're underestimating both Ajax and PSV, they're a class or 2 above Schalke.
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I'd play him instead of Antony in a heartbeat. But different strokes eh.
Also, being good at Utrecht and being good at Feyenoord is hardly the same thing.
Haller was also good at Utrecht by the way.
And Haller isn't good at Ajax, so kinda the same thing
You must not be paying attention at the amount of mediocrity playing regularly in the prem. Players who literally produce nothing but play alot of games. He didn't play at Watford so that's not saying much.
How many Dutch players really made it in the Prem the last 10 years?
What do you mean by 'made it'? Like, Erik Pieters was a regular for Stoke for years while they were still in the EPL. I would hence say that he 'made it'. But by that token, you could say that Janssen could have made it if only he hadn't gone to Spurs to be a sub, but to a lower-placed team where maybe the playing style would have suited him better and maybe he would have been a starter.
Also, do you mean Dutch players, or players from the Eredivisie? For example, Ake is Dutch, but never played in the Eredivisie.
Van Persie, Van Dijk and Wijnaldum? Ake did well enough to earn a transfer to City. Other than that... Can you say Blind "made it"? I'd say no personally.
The list of Dutch players who failed in the Prem is much longer.
If you can name a nationality where the opposite is true, I'll give you a life time supply of gold stars.
Isn’t that the case with every nationality?
You were faster. At least Feyenoord is even worse then us.
I was looking forward to watch some better football compared to what I usually watch, but I swear to God I missed Botteghin and Toornstra at some point.
I still didn’t miss Rosario.