Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager

Blood Mage said:
Southgate is a useless cnut but Ten Hag has got some nerve saying that after the season he's just had. Feels like projection.
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He’s being hired to be a pundit. He’s supposed to talk about the match they’re watching. Do you think he should have pleaded the 5th and refused to criticise anyone on the basis that Manchester United have just had a bad season?

So many terrible takes in this thread. As usual.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He’s being hired to be a pundit. He’s supposed to talk about the match they’re watching. Do you think he should have pleaded the 5th and refused to criticise anyone on the basis that Manchester United have just had a bad season?

So many terrible takes in this thread. As usual.
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I know I just find it amusing.
 
I suppose one can’t have a manager on an expiring contract. Is that the thinking here? I can get behind the whole keeping him decision, even if I don’t agree with it, but extending his contract? A one year extension with a pre-agreed and reduced pay off amount in the event of termination, yes okay. But anything more than that, I would not be able to get behind unless the severance is pre-agreed and not contingent on how long is left on the contract.

We’ve agreed to keep him, his power will be curtailed, okay….good. But he still has a lot to prove and is surely being assessed on a 6-12 month rolling basis right now.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He’s being hired to be a pundit. He’s supposed to talk about the match they’re watching. Do you think he should have pleaded the 5th and refused to criticise anyone on the basis that Manchester United have just had a bad season?

So many terrible takes in this thread. As usual.
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Are you his dad? Relax
 
mu4c_20le said:
Are you his dad? Relax
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:lol: Sorry, what? I’m calling out shite opinions. With the season we’ve just had, slagging Ten Haag off without resorting to shite opinions should be like shooting fish in a barrel. I’m mainly just amazed that so many of ye are missing.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
:lol: Sorry, what? I’m calling out shite opinions. With the season we’ve just had, slagging Ten Haag off without resorting to shite opinions should be like shooting fish in a barrel. I’m mainly just amazed that so many of ye are missing.
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No one's slagging him, his comments are amusing after the season he's just had, and the fact that it's the person rumoured to replace him is not lost on people.
 
mu4c_20le said:
No one's slagging him, his comments are amusing after the season he's just had, and the fact that it's the person rumoured to replace him is not lost on people.
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Him slagging off Southgate is definitely funny. It’s the idea that he’s not in a position to do so that’s nuts. He’s working as a football pundit. Calling out what we all saw happen is literally his job for the day.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Him slagging off Southgate is definitely funny. It’s the idea that he’s not in a position to do so that’s nuts. He’s working as a football pundit. Calling out what we all saw happen is literally his job for the day.
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Yeah he wasn't wrong, but he was brutally frank, even as a pundit. Usually I expect that from the likes of Sneijder, and maybe Gullit
 
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No one comes out of this looking good and I can only marvel and applaud Ten Hag’s bravado after the season we just had.

Am also a picturing a Love Actually style conversation on his doorstep.
 
Why can't he have an opinion on Southgate? Despite everything last season he did what Southgate hasn't done and stepped up when it mattered, under immense personal pressure.

Unlike Southgate he also didn't have such an array of talent available for a number of reasons, that he could just leave the likes of Grealish, Rashford and others at home. Southgate has got it made. He would be absolutely crucified in club football because you don't have the assets at most clubs thathe has available to him right now with England.
 
I’m not sure his ‘bravado’ is the right thing right now. Or, maybe it is, time will tell.
 
Am I just not as emotional because the season is over, and I'm bored and exhausted from this entire story or is the level of anger over these quotes just bonkers and over the top? He's just being dutch and weird on tv.
 
Leftback99 said:
Yeah if I was part owner of a club paying millions to someone I'd expect a bit more respect in public.
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Well, respect goes both ways, doesn't it. INEOS actively and publicly looking for his replacements after he just won the club an FA CUP, does not reek of respect.

BTW, some of his statements are just one word calamities. All he had to say is that INEOS came to the conclusion that he was the best candidate for the job. And that statement doesn't do any harm. He had to say that he believes he is a better coach than the rest of them. Note, he was well beaten by both De Zerbi and Tuchel.

I would honestly not put aside him walking out of the job becausenot agreeing to the new terms, since he has huge transfer power in his current contract. And it will put the club in a really awkward situation where after interviews with 2+ managers, we will have to go again on the Managers Market.
 
I love him, you need to have a certain level of arrogance to be a top top manager.

My manager.
 
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Redivy said:
I love him, you need to have a certain level of ignorance to be a top top manager.

My manager.
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I hope you meant arrogance. If you don’t think you are any good yourself, that’s a bit of a problem.
 
I would say that his most recent comments can easily be interpreted as quite contentious and combative. I find that in itself quite disappointing because it is wholly unnecessary. He seems quite clearly ill at ease with the fact the club talked to other coaches, and has made some comments such as “they are playing football for the first time”, which can only be interpreted as quite condescending and dismissive of those in control.

I won’t debate the merits of whether he is right or wrong. I suspect people’s interpretations of that will be largely determined by whether they were/are Ten Hag “in” or “out”, rather than on their merits. But I will say that whether one thinks he is right or wrong in what he said, the fact he is saying it is quite unproductive and divisive. It doesn’t bode well for the new season if you are going into it with a coach that is talking poorly of his superiors. Very few organisations succeed with a level of dysfunction or resentment at a senior level.

I don’t like what he is doing in the media right now. I personally think he is very lucky that SJR and co have shown faith in him and exhibited patience, and he’d be well advised to shut the feck up.
 
simonhch said:
I would say that his most recent comments can easily be interpreted as quite contentious and combative. I find that in itself quite disappointing because it is wholly unnecessary. He seems quite clearly ill at ease with the fact the club talked to other coaches, and has made some comments such as “they are playing football for the first time”, which can only be interpreted as quite condescending and dismissive of those in control.

I won’t debate the merits of whether he is right or wrong. I suspect people’s interpretations of that will be largely determined by whether they were/are Ten Hag “in” or “out”, rather than on their merits. But I will say that whether one thinks he is right or wrong in what he said, the fact he is saying it is quite unproductive and divisive. It doesn’t bode well for the new season if you are going into it with a coach that is talking poorly of his superiors. Very few organisations succeed with a level of dysfunction or resentment at a senior level.

I don’t like what he is doing in the media right now. I personally think he is very lucky that SJR and co have shown faith in him and exhibited patience, and he’d be well advised to shut the feck up.
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Yeah this is bang on. Even before this he was somewhat dismissive of Wilcox. I wonder if there's a U-turn in the saga before the season starts.
 
Blood Mage said:
Southgate is a useless cnut but Ten Hag has got some nerve saying that after the season he's just had. Feels like projection.
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Compare the two sides....one full of shite, players not following directions, injuries, cnuts refusing to play, zero help from the top, and the other, all the best players in England.
 
simonhch said:
I suppose one can’t have a manager on an expiring contract. Is that the thinking here? I can get behind the whole keeping him decision, even if I don’t agree with it, but extending his contract? A one year extension with a pre-agreed and reduced pay off amount in the event of termination, yes okay. But anything more than that, I would not be able to get behind unless the severance is pre-agreed and not contingent on how long is left on the contract.

We’ve agreed to keep him, his power will be curtailed, okay….good. But he still has a lot to prove and is surely being assessed on a 6-12 month rolling basis right now.
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The key here is, what message are INEOS sending the players?

Given they have talked with multiple managers, if they don't extend his contract, the message sent will be "we're trialing you out because no better manager is available and we'll pack you off as soon as we find one". This will result in the players not taking the manager seriously next season and will ensure underperformance.

On the flip side, if they do extend his contract, it'll be telling people he's the best man for the job and they firmly trust and back him. Whether that's true or not is anyone's call, but it won't at least setup a platform for failure.
 
He ended the season (last few games) very solidly. Maybe he has turned the corner and can adapt his tactics suitably. Ah well, why not let him go with the momentum. If the injury crisis is over and yet we play badly, he may himself decide to go.
 
Marcus said:
He ended the season (last few games) very solidly. Maybe he has turned the corner and can adapt his tactics suitably. Ah well, why not let him go with the momentum. If the injury crisis is over and yet we play badly, he may himself decide to go.
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We had one good game, the final.

Brighton and Newcastle dominated their games, we were shite, and both should have beaten us.
 
bringbackbebe said:
The key here is, what message are INEOS sending the players?

Given they have talked with multiple managers, if they don't extend his contract, the message sent will be "we're trialing you out because no better manager is available and we'll pack you off as soon as we find one". This will result in the players not taking the manager seriously next season and will ensure underperformance.

On the flip side, if they do extend his contract, it'll be telling people he's the best man for the job and they firmly trust and back him. Whether that's true or not is anyone's call, but it won't at least setup a platform for failure.
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As I said, I don’t have a problem extending the contract as long as the severance payout is capped. Those terms should understandably remain private. Your points are legitimate. They can also be somewhat combatted by also shipping out underperforming players this summer and having a consistent approach across the board.
 
hobbers said:
We had one good game, the final.

Brighton and Newcastle dominated their games, we were shite, and both should have beaten us.
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Well if you look at the players available and our CB choices, I think that is where the injuries theory/excuse comes in. We were pretty solid once we had Varane and the Butcher back and firing for the final. Anyway, I preferred a new manager but can go along with EtH for another year.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Yeah he wasn't wrong, but he was brutally frank, even as a pundit. Usually I expect that from the likes of Sneijder, and maybe Gullit
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Are you trying to stereotype Dutch people?

Or is your dislike for Eth now on a personal level - because he is frank?
 
Marcus said:
Well if you look at the players available and our CB choices, I think that is where the injuries theory/excuse comes in. We were pretty solid once we had Varane and the Butcher back and firing for the final.
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In the last couple of pages, people have been discussing the article on The Athletic about United's season. The article claims Varane was opposed to the manager's approach, had a 'challenging' relationship with him, and disobeyed tactical instructions. It also reiterates that Ten Hag attempted to drop him. It's hard to square this with the team being improved by his presence; he cannot be part of the problem and the solution.
 
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I'm all for Southgate bashing, but he kicked up such a fuss all season about pundits like Carragher going too hard on him, only to do the same to another manager.
 
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ETH has them by their balls. He is almost goading them and calling them novices.

The stupidity of this club's owners never ceases to amaze you.

Bye bye old Glazers, welcome new Glazers!

It's going to be an interesting next season. ETH will walk out with a huge payout and with his reputation intact as he would claim that the upper management is run by juveniles. He'll claim they undermined him, didn't support him in the window, injuries, yada, yada, yada. Say what you want about him, this guy can talk a good game and knows how to play his pieces.
 
Insanity said:
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ETH has them by their balls. He is almost goading them and calling them novices.

The stupidity of this club's owners never ceases to amaze you.

Bye bye old Glazers, welcome new Glazers!

It's going to be an interesting next season. ETH will walk out with a huge payout and with his reputation intact as he would claim that the upper management is run by juveniles. He'll claim they undermined him, didn't support him in the window, injuries, yada, yada, yada. Say what you want about him, this guy can talk a good game and knows how to play his pieces.
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He has every right to aswell. INEOS handled it so wrongly. Especially interrupting his holiday with his family. It should have been sorted before he went away so then we could have focused straight on signings. They’ve basically shown that they have no faith in ETH and I reckon the only reason they didn’t get tuchel or someone els is because they probably wanted full control or more wage than what was being offered. So INEOS are basically saying we have no other choice but keep ETH. I’d be fuming if I was him and I’d be tempted to quit my self if that ever happened to me. It’s like he’s being used because no one els wanted the job.
 
Marcus said:
He ended the season (last few games) very solidly. Maybe he has turned the corner
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You think so? 3-2 vs Newcastle, we almost allowed them back into it.
2-0 against Brighton, they were the better team for most of the game.
and though we managed to execute against City in the final, we rode our luck at times and won with like 27% possession, which isn't sustainable.

I don't think I saw anything in those games that I hadn't seen through the season, to be honest, with the exception being that we looked more solid/compact vs City.

Next season will be interesting
 
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