There is less restriction on non- EU, homegrown quota. There is no stopping big teams stockpiling full squads with their bigger as is revenue since salary cap allow it.
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There are 10 other clubs than Madrid and Spurs, United, City, Barca, Liverpool, Milan, Juve.. Etc.
Anyway, who wins it is hardly the problem of this competition.
I was just giving an example of what a team won't manage to compete lose by not winning the competition and Spurs was the first team that jumped in my mind. Sorry if it offended you @balaks.I’d love this prick to identify who exactly ‘the traditional cartel of English football’ consisted of. Was it Blackburn Rovers, Liverpool and Newcastle United (the highest spending clubs of the 90s), perhaps?
I wouldn’t be so sure on that, I think his position will be to offer the selfish six an amicable solution and present outwardly that he is eager to find a solution, he’s a clever man. If that doesn’t work then I 100% think he’d vote to kick them out.
You still cant buy everyone
This and the English media in general is obviously a fecking joke, but they're being made to look like a bastion of journalistic integrity compared to the North Korea stuff coming out of Spain.
And yet it’s much more interesting to see Man Utd vs Milan than Man Utd vs Granada even though it was a later round of the tournament.
In many ways it’s just a stronger version of the seeding and coefficient system. I don’t love it. Particular as the European cup trophy is so iconic but let’s judge the CL with the same eyes.
If it was all fair then any team should be drawn with any other in the group stage. Why not have two English teams in the same group? Why not have groups of death? Football has always prioritised the big clubs.
I’m similar. This will either happen or the Glazers and their ilk will be forced to sell. This is the end game.
I’m sure they would have broken FA and FIFA rules though.
We all blame Mike Phelan.
We faced Granada in EL not CL, this is really a weird comparison.
What? The whole reason they’re against it is because it will potentially dilute the PL in the long run and the gold it brings. Why would they ensure that happens by kicking out the big 6 - guaranteeing the PL is fecked, the ESL happens and opening them up to all sorts of legal lawsuits from sponsors and Media firms? They need the 6 to think they’ll do it to stop the ESL but they can’t really do it if you think it through logically. Players or the Govt. are the only way this is stopped.
Nope, definately not this season
Fastest moving thread in Caf history?
Do we know what time the PL meeting is?
@Damien is stat king.
The main issues are SIX being from prem, no clear pyramid and the founding teams being untouchable and obviously missing German teams and PSG etc.
I think its just a power play to try to get what they want.
I think its just a power play to try to get what they want.
Fans and players are the base upon which the football empire is built. UEFA/FIFA are trying to intimidate clubs by going after their second most asset valuable asset because they know that the fans are a no go, it's all hot air but it's all they have and if enough players crack then they win but with agents like Raiola I don't see it happening.
I haven't read a single Bayern fan that is NOT happy about the fact the we refused to join. Same for Dortmund fans.
In general all the german football fans seem to be very strictly against this. But what is happening now, is also what many fans feared for years in discussions about 50+1 (in germany a club may only sell up to 49% of the club to investors in order so still retain control) and the stance against foreign investors.
Not this season, it would count for next season I believe.
The thing that they may or may not have broken the moment they announced the league is at least article 73 of the statutes.
But as always with FIFA the rules are too large, too powerful and it's easy to see why they could be at risk in civil courts. But you have to go to civil courts which isn't a quick affair.
Nice read
Obviously what he is saying is bollocks, Chelsea and City didn't make things more competitive, in fact the winning points totals of the last few seasons suggest quite the opposite.
However I am inclined to believe that they may not have been the instigators but went along with it because their shiny toy must play with the other shiny toys. They have no need for extra investment and they bought teams as play things or state propaganda. Its the clubs like United, Liverpool and Real who don't have bottomless pits of money and are feeling the burn of the pandemic that would have a bigger business need to make a deal like this to safeguard their future.
I doubt City and Chelsea realised how badly it would be handled from a PR perspective and now it will risk their CL semi final spot. I am sure they are looking for ways to exit this mess ASAP.
I'm a Barca supporter and I don't know yet.
One the one hand, I support the destruction of the mafia organization called Uefa. I hate everything they stand for and Perez is totally right when he said, that we know every salary of football players, but we dont know the salary of Ceferin. Uefa plays it's part as the middleman and organizer, but takes way too much money from the work of the clubs and players. The teams are not their property and it's about time they learned it the hard way. We saw yesterday the real Ceferin. When Uefa didn't have the time to prepare a polite answer. When Ceferin wasn't briefed by his lawyers. We saw what kind of a man he is. Just insulting people and clubs and reading a text, on a topic where every footballfan could or better said should speak from his heart.
On the other hand I fear for the emotions of football. A league without relegations and guarateed spots could become stale very fast. What makes football so exciting is, that nearly every match counts for something. This would change with the new format of the ESL. Half the league getting into the playoffs anyways. So whats the point in being the 1st? Money? Its not something the fans get excited for. How is this different to wait for CL quater finals like Perez said or the ESL playoffs? Or if for example Arsenal loses the first 5 games, why should they even compete after that? They can't get relegated, so why should they care if they are last? Thats something I'm afraid of, but then again, ESL can also have reforms as the CL does every few years.
What I dont believe in, is that the ESL will be the death of football and the small teams. What will change? The big teams buy every good players anyways today. So the only thing that will change is the transfer fee of those players. Haaland will cost 200 Mio instead of 100 Mio. But he will go anyway to a big club, ESL or not. So the status quo of football will not change in my opinion. It will stay the same. The same teams will compete in the domestic leagues, the same teams will buy all the good players. Football is for a lot of years already devided into elite clubs and the rest.
You dream.... Who will force the Glazers to sell if ESL doesn't happen?
So many of these players, ex-managers and spokespeople for current league and cup competitions speaking out against the super league are hugely responsible for creating this monster.
Alex Ferguson has come out and blasted the competition but is the same person that had that stupid falling out with one of United's biggest stakeholders of a bloody racing horse and then went on to back the glazers ownership of the club and even going as far to say that fans should go and support another club if they don't like them being in charge, well maybe sir alex should go and do the same now as it is the glazers with Woodward that has spearheaded this idea.
You got players like ozil speaking out about it but he was happy to insult ticket paying arsenal fans with his half assed displays and was also happy to just sit at home and see out his lucrative contract with the club because he cared more about picking up his precious undeserved wages over playing competitive football.
Then you got the premier league/champions league that have done nothing but apologetic and glorified these dirty oil rich funded clubs who have created a hugely unfair playing field that has created a mentality of if you can't beat them, join them across football.
Alex Ferguson has come out and blasted the competition but is the same person that had that stupid falling out with one of United's biggest stakeholders of a bloody racing horse and then went on to back the glazers ownership of the club and even going as far to say that fans should go and support another club if they don't like them being in charge, well maybe sir alex should go and do the same now as it is the glazers with Woodward that has spearheaded this idea.
You got players like ozil speaking out about it but he was happy to insult ticket paying arsenal fans with his half assed displays and was also happy to just sit at home and see out his lucrative contract with the club because he cared more about picking up his precious undeserved wages over playing competitive football.
Then you got the premier league/champions league that have done nothing but apologetic and glorified these dirty oil rich funded clubs who have created a hugely unfair playing field that has created a mentality of if you can't beat them, join them across football.
If they don’t get control of the media revenue streams how does the club keep growing? Sponsorships and TV deals are going down not up.
There are 19 others with Tottenham as one of the very bottom. How many of the rest Tottenham can buy with that much competition? As stated, this is only the start to get ESL wheel moving. More teams will get invited. Being in a year a few prior doesn't help Spurs over the newly invited if Spurs doesn't win it within that period.
Everyone should calm their tits for now, the way UEFA and the media are driving their own narrative screams of hypocrisy. They give zero fecks about the fans and it's always about the money.
Viewing figures for games involving the likes of us, Barcelona, Madrid etc are always higher than those involving teams like Leipzig or Napoli. The hype around us v Milan in a damp squib round of 16 game was amongst the biggest the EL has ever had. That's what it comes down to. The CL has become too big and diluted.
I'm not sure why Spurs are being allowed in to this.
There are 14 others actually and Spurs wont be at the bottom. Im not saying the will win it, Im saying with the salary cap etc over time it will even itself out. Player salaries will obviously be higher as much as revenues will be higher so you are not just going to be able to stockpile 22 world class players and there are more than enough top players to go around 14 sides across Europe (we have more than 14 top sides already)
Maybe, but again, who will force them to sell? Nobody, unfortunately. It was tried in the past 15 years, and this ESL disaster won't change that. They still have their nice dividends, and they will continue to squeeze the club for more money. They won't give up on that
A second “Super league”? Does he realise how ridiculous that sounds. What’s super about a second division?
How will these Vice Presidents co exist when it’s time to fight over signings?
If we had got out of the group we would have faced Madrid or Barca or City or whatever in later rounds. It's really our problem that we were shit and lost to a Turkish team in the group and got KOed to face Granada and shit in EL. It's what we deserved. If we want to face the top clubs we have to earn it. That's how this sport has always worked.
Completed the stadium but they had the stadium to service, and the stadium was not ready at the start of that season, and the revenue was short lived with COVID halted the season.
Without using the unused available fund of previous no spent season, no amount CL prize money would cover for Spurs expenses.
In that case we're all complicit as fans then for buying merchandise or paying to subscribe to sky / BT. I get the point you are making (and you're not wrong) but I don't know what good it will do to point fingers elsewhere, this has all come about through the machinations of a billionaire elite with no interest in the sport and only caring about making more money.
I've been a Glazer apologist for quite some time, I didn't like how they ran the club but I felt they had some sort of a social conscience. They invested quite a bit of money (albeit very badly at times) and took a healthy dividend for themselves. I felt this was as good as you might hope for in a now business driven sport and that while they continue to sign good players, hold managers accountable, continually look to improve and keep the fans onside (with no furlough of staff, supporting the NHS, frozen season ticket prices etc) that it was at least better the devil you know.
Its clear though that they've been really just waiting for the right time to exploit United's fanbase and make as much money as they can.
Secretly, would the FA not love 6 or 7 SL clubs in their league? It would be a sort of mini SL on its own with fresh matchups.
Yes the previous season they didnt know when the Stadium would be completed due to delays. So obviously you need to keep funds around as you dont know what your expenses will be. Once its completed that free up funds
The fact their golden goose has reached its peak will force them to sell. Maybe Boris will step in...if we all whip a petition together the man will do anything for some populism.