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Never a doubt in my mind!
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European Super League
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
We didn't do shit
That's the most important job really. All the dirty work is done at the shitpost.
You lost, unlucky.
Yeah alright.
Lets no go over board. La liga is far from boring
I hope this starts a war between UEFA and Spanish teams. God knows how many times these two teams have been helped by the refs in the champions league.
Chelsea vs Madrid is going to be exciting.
I hope this starts a war between UEFA and Spanish teams. God knows how many times these two teams have been helped by the refs in the champions league.
Chelsea vs Madrid is going to be exciting.
The ESL saga is yet another woodward masterpiece. Thank god for his ineptitude!
To be fair, I would only praise Dortmund as they would have a reason to jump on (again, it depends if they had a chance because of their laws). Bayern does not need it, they have a total monopoly in Germany, PSG also, as they are one of the reasons we have some of the biggest problems in football. I used to live in Germany and no one can tell me that the situation in German football is good. The only team who is slowly challenging Bayern (very slowly) is a team owned by a billionare (who does run it well, but it helps that the team is located in Germany).
In all seriousness it is the owners that want punishing. Why should Ole and the lads suffer for their cloak and dagger shite?
Truth
I said in some form didn't I. Maybe the owners should pay a fine.
Come on. The last CLs went to:
Bayern
Liverpool
Madrid
Madrid
Madrid
Barcelona
Madrid
Bayern
Chelsea
Barcelona
Inter
Barcelona
United
That's one (!) oil club in the conversation. Barca, Madrid and co. have gotten themselves into these situations. Barca didn't need to spend half a billion on players they didn't need and had no place for in the team, especially not if it required raising a loan.
FFP was supposed to curb it but UEFA fecked that up. Now who knows what the answer is the SL obviously wasn't. And with FFP gone I expect we'll have more Oil states buying clubs in the near future.
I don't believe that's the case here. We speak about the biggest bank in United States being behind this. I fear there are lots of things going on behind the scenes that explain much of what we are seeing here.
No power isn't quite accurate. Swansea have a supporters trust and it does allow for a say in matters, as well as improving accountability and transparency. It can still be circumnavigated but it's a lot better than nothing.
I think people were entitled to wait for more information. I also think some would still be onboard with the ESL proposal and that is their right, different supporters will have varying desires and ideas of how football should be played. I'm very grateful to the supporters who opposed the plans and made their voices heard though, as without the public backlash there is no doubt it would have gone ahead. Even more so to supporters of the ESL clubs who spoke out in opposition.
2017 in NYC, what a bunch of cnuts.
Dude slept early. Woke up just now to this good news. I never advocated for ESL and voted no.
I thought these clubs would have prepared for eventual onslaught but you can hardly blame me for their incompetence. What was the point of this when you pull out in 3 days?
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2017 in NYC, what a bunch of cnuts.
Looks kind of photo shopped, real? Hope so because I want to send around.
I imagine he means taking current trends into consideration. It's only a matter of time before City or PSG win it. City's spending seems to have made them a better run club than United at this point. I'm sure that's also down to actually making intelligent decisions, but I am pretty sure the final resistance of the old guard clubs is crumbling.
Yeah real, if you Google "John W Henry Gazidis Glazer Woodward restaurant" you'll find numerous newspaper articles about it from the time
Thanks mate
Didn't United officially pull out before Chelsea did?
Most of the first hits are from the likes of the DaiyMail, Daily Star, and The Sun but I managed to find this long read from The Guardian, which confirms the dinner occurred. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jan/17/how-a-deluge-of-money-nearly-broke-the-premier-league
--- When Manchester City reached the midpoint of the 2017/18 campaign with an insurmountable lead at the top of the table, it seemed that the rest of the season might turn into one long victory lap. But if that suggested a Premier League season devoid of suspense, the reality was far different. There was still intrigue, tension and drama out there. You just had to know where to look. For example, in the dining rooms of hip Manhattan restaurants. On a warm night in the middle of October 2017, an incongruous group of diners sat down to eat among the dark wood tables and black leather banquettes at Locanda Verde, a high-end Italian eatery in Tribeca.
The group of old white guys with not much hair between them didn’t turn many heads amid the usual gaggle of well-tanned, well-Botoxed VIPs. But if anyone with a keen knowledge of English football executives had passed their table on the way to the toilet, they would have recognised that this party represented the most unlikely gathering of enemies since the heads of New York’s mafia families held their regular meetings in red-sauce joints to keep the peace. Around the table that night were Joel and Avram Glazer, the owners of Manchester Utd, along with the club’s chief executive, Ed Woodward; Liverpool’s principal owner John W Henry; and Ivan Gazidis, then the chief executive of Arsenal.
That these clubs had ended up brushing off more than a century of mutual loathing to sit down to dinner together was due to an emerging crisis that concerned all of them. Over the previous 12 months, the Premier League’s “big six” had jointly reached the conclusion that the exorbitant sums the league were now raking in from the sale of overseas TV rights – currently worth £3.3bn – should no longer be distributed equally among the league’s 20 teams as they had been since the Premier League was first founded 25 years earlier. --- (excerpt, much more in the link above)
No, it was City and Chelsea.
Do you?
Real Madrid recently won three CL's in a row and Liverpool and Bayern won the next two.
That is the fault of how poorly run Barcelona is.
A slow fade into obscurity? We are something like the 4th richest club in the world and remain one of the biggest clubs in the world. The PL recently got one of the biggest ever TV deals.
Everyone recognises that UEFA and FIFA are terrible corrupt organisations. Everyone recognises how bad oil clubs are. But most people recognise that the ESL was one of the most ridiculous "solutions" which if anything, would have made things far far worse.
Perez isn't giving up!
I seriously don't know what else they can do to make this a reality.
"due the pressure out on them"
These cnuts literally can't get anything right.
I feel like you've really managed to capture the spirit of today's events there.
I'm confused here then, Chelsea only made their official statement on their website less than an hour ago, United before 11pm.
Did Chelsea announce it somewhere else before then?
No? PSG deserve no praise. They only didn’t support it because their owners have an expensive but lucrative contract with UEFA for the Champions League broadcast rights until 2024 and they need to stay on FIFA’s good side after all the World Cup shenanigans.
If people seriously believed PSG’s God awful “we support integrity in the sport” then shame on you: you’re as bad as those in favour of the ESL.
PSG were dead certs to join the ESL in 2024. They played their cards close to their chest due to already sketchy relationships with football institutions and fans, they saw what way they wind was blowing and followed suit in condemning it.
All in all they played a blinder really, but they’re still genuinely evil inhumane monsters.
The only ones who deserve praise are Bayern, who are probably the best club in the world currently and they’d stand to gain “the most“ financially (Bundesliga performs poorly in revenues in comparisons to other top leagues) and stood firm with their rejection of the proposal in no uncertain terms.
Manchester City were the first club to pull out after Chelsea had signalled their intent to do so by preparing documentation to withdraw.
I have seen that JPM has been embarrassed so I think everything is possible. Let's see. But I think Real and Juventus have played and failed.
I think it was just “sources” confirming they were first then the dominoes fell.
Go support a plastic club and support evil regimes elsewhere.
None of the 6 actually deserve any praise. Infact it's even more embarrassing for City, Chelsea and United to pull out so early. It make them look even more incompetent. Why bother with this in the first place? Whose idea was it?
Yes officially followed by United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs. It's just semantics I suppose.
Well yeah I seen that earlier but nothing official until the last hour.
I just don't see that. If anything, the past years have proven that those mega transfers for absurd sums are leading nowhere. Spread the risk more evenly, plan carefully and in advance, show interest in the right players in the right moments, emphasize sustainability and a long term vision, ideally by giving your club a recognizable playing style and identity.
Also, I think the spending habits of PSG, City and Chelsea are less extreme than they're usually made out to be. PSG have been very cautious on the transfer market since signing Mbappe and Neymar. Yes, they maintain a squad with two super stars but the team is very imbalanced - an enormous gap in quality between the worst and the best player. City is constantly spending highly but they distribute the risk very well and ensure they have a well balanced team and distribute the risk. No silly 100+m transfers or anything like that. Chelsea has had a very crazy summer despite Corona but they also had the Hazard fee as well as budget from last year to spend.
Moreover, I believe people underestimate the wage bills. Barca is spending around 70% of their revenue on salaries, and they have the highest revenue among all clubs. This is crazy. They afford very expensive players in every position and they spent 500m on transfer fees with atrocious return on top of it. That's just incredibly wasteful. Honestly, I lack words for how badly Barca has been run ever since Guardiola left.
Obscurity how?