Everton 3-4 United.....07/02/04.....PL

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mozza said:
I wish people would realise that most teams in the world play with 2 defensive midfielders. Against Everton if keano is paired with scholes he will be up aginst Gravsen and Carsley, we'll lose control of the middle and lose the match, Everton have enough fire power to score. Thinking scholes has the defensive ability to help out is wishfull thinking, hes not got it, hes never has. The past sucess is all about Keanos greatness, sadly the years haved robbed some of his ability, still a great player, but he cant do it all on his own.

Id stick with the team that played southampton, with giggs for ronaldo and gazza for fotune if they are fit.
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So when everyone's fit, where does Scholes play? On the wing? That's a complete waste.

If Saha is going to play, Scholes has to drop back to central midfield.
 
4-4-2

- - - - - - - - - - - - Howard - - - - - - - - - - - -

Gary - - - - Oshea - - - - Silvestre - - - -Fortune

Ronaldo - - - - Scholes - - - - Keane - - - - Giggs

- - - - - - - - Ruud - - - - - - Saha - - - - - - - -

If we are playing with Scholes,Ronaldo and Giggs ,I don't understand why we need to get Keane forward. Besides I don't think he's that good going forward. With this formation,Everton will have to spend more time defending and we can have a real go at them.

It's time we start scoring some goals and please leave P.Neville on the bench and let us play flowing attacking football.
 
mozza said:
Tackleing is part of playing the position, you cant expect him not to, he did not earlier this season when he has played there, and he did it very badly.
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Beckham can't tackle, yet he's playing the best football of his life as a CM at Real.

Veron once was a world class CM, can he tackle? Not to save his life.
 
With Gaz and Giggs


Howard

Gaz
Silvestre
Oshea
Fortune

Keane
Ronaldo
Scholes
Giggs

RVN
Saha


Without Gaz and Giggs

Howard

Phil
Oshea
Silvestre
Fortune

Keane
Bellion
Scholes
Ronaldo

RVN
Saha
 
As much as I like the 4-2-3-1 formation, it is for everyone to see that we don't score as many goals as we used to do when we had Scholes and Keane at CM.

Our best match with 4-2-3-1 is of course the 6-2 victory at St James'. The football we played that day is about as good as it gets. We have to remember though that we played a Newcastle team full of confidence, an attack minded team. Very effective against good teams, not effective against mediocre teams.
 
Mr. Wood said:
So when everyone's fit, where does Scholes play? On the wing? That's a complete waste.

If Saha is going to play, Scholes has to drop back to central midfield.
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In the much mentioned 6-2 v newcastle where did scholes play to score his hatrick? left wing

Why? cause SAF wanted pace up alongside ruud

If Saha plays it means ronaldo and ole wont, it also means scholes will play inside right, where because he is right footed he'll be more comfortable. Giggs will still be on the left, which is the most important part, scholes will still be free to score goals, many more now that he has been freed from central midfield.
 
osterdal said:
Beckham can't tackle, yet he's playing the best football of his life as a CM at Real.

Veron once was a world class CM, can he tackle? Not to save his life.
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Dunno about beckhams current form, but he tends not to be hacker like scholes when he puts in a tackle, you cant deny scholes is a clumsy tackler at best.

Veron in italy, the malteser would know but I imagine in Italy he was part of a 3-5-2 and had a pair of defensive midfielders next to him, am I right devilish? Simione certainly cant remember if he had a partner.

Either way veron shows how useless a non tackling central midfielder is, which is what you want scholes to do, it'll stifle his goals as well, he scoring freely now hes further up the pitch.
 
CHALLENGER said:
I don't understand why we need to get Keane forward. Besides I don't think he's that good going forward
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Because its him who drives the team, hes not the limited defensive midfielder that many want to turn him into, hes more then that. It'll be the death of the team if he is asked to do anyless then he is now, without him driving us forward we are not going to win a thing.
 
mozza said:
Dunno about beckhams current form, but he tends not to be hacker like scholes when he puts in a tackle, you cant deny scholes is a clumsy tackler at best.

Veron in italy, the malteser would know but I imagine in Italy he was part of a 3-5-2 and had a pair of defensive midfielders next to him, am I right devilish? Simione certainly cant remember if he had a partner.

Either way veron shows how useless a non tackling central midfielder is, which is what you want scholes to do, it'll stifle his goals as well, he scoring freely now hes further up the pitch.
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Football is different in Italy than in England. Its slower, much more tactical and defensive. A typical Serie A attacking midfielder’s only aim is to create the right channels were the striker can score against the best defenses in the world. This job is considered as one of the most honourable jobs in football and is capable to be done by very few players and the Italian clubs really value their worth. A typical Italian attacking midfielder wouldn’t even dream to run and win possession of the ball let alone tackle for it.

Veron was bound to suffer in the EPL. The flow of football in England is breathtaking and the “attacking midfielder” role is taken by a more attacking minded box to box player. Also Veron had to compete with what I consider as the best attacking midfielders ever seen at OT since Charlton and that is considered as a hell of a challenge.
 
devilish said:
Football is different in Italy than in England. Its slower, much more tactical and defensive. A typical Serie A attacking midfielder’s only aim is to create the right channels were the striker can score against the best defenses in the world. This job is considered as one of the most honourable jobs in football and is capable to be done by very few players and the Italian clubs really value their worth. A typical Italian attacking midfielder wouldn’t even dream to run and win possession of the ball let alone tackle for it.

Veron was bound to suffer in the EPL. The flow of football in England is breathtaking and the “attacking midfielder” role is taken by a more attacking minded box to box player. Also Veron had to compete with what I consider as the best attacking midfielders ever seen at OT since Charlton and that is considered as a hell of a challenge.
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Thanks for that but its not what I asked for, what was lazio midfield in the sven years? I know Veron and simione were in the middle, but I cant imagine any italian team playing without 2 defensive midfielders, wether 442 or 352, just the nature of the game.
 
Cal, thanks for starting the thread!

Why? Because since this year, you have a 100% record of starting the match day thread and we have not lost in those two games. So here's a great win to United!!!!

Come on you red!!!!!! Come on Saha, come on Ruud, come on Scholesy! Come on Fergie! :)

BTW, a great run by Ole last night so i heard!!! YEEEH!!!
 
EVERTON V MAN UTD PREVIEW​
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Duncan Ferguson is Everton's main injury worry for the visit of the Premiership champions as Manchester United chase a ninth successive win over The Toffees.

Scottish firebrand Ferguson missed the midweek FA Cup replay defeat to Fulham after a succession of injuries had taken their toll.

Ferguson is being plagued by neck, foot and groin niggles but Everton are hopeful he will be fit to face The Red Devils, particularly given his scoring record.

Centre half Alan Stubbs is another injury doubt for the hosts and is fighting to shake off a heel injury which kept him out of the Fulham tie.

Veteran striker Kevin Campbell is suffering with a back problem but may be fit to line up against the visitors but manager David Moyes has continued concerns in defence.

David Weir remains sidelined with a knee complaint while Nigerian stopper Joseph Yobo is on African Cup of Nations duty.

United travel to Goodison Park on the back of eight consecutive wins over The Toffees, including a 3-2 success at Old Trafford on Boxing Day.

Sir Alex Ferguson's men are also unbeaten in 17 meetings with Everton and require the three points to keep pace with Arsenal at the summit.

Ferguson's plans have been boosted by the return to the squad of experienced duo Ryan Giggs and Gary Neville.

The pair have missed the last three matches with back and thigh injuries respectively but should figure at some stage on Merseyside.

Kleberson is also in contention for a recall after a mini-break although Ole Gunnar Solskjaer may not be risked after playing for the reserves on Thursday evening - his first outing in four months.

Rio Ferdinand is suspended with Ferguson having to decide whether to stick with Wes Brown at centre back, despite the player looking edgy since his return from a long lay-off which started with the cruciate injury suffered at Everton on the final day of last season.
 
I think if we have a more attacking side this should be the best ideal formation 2-3-2-3



=== Saha == Vanistelrooy ===

Giggs == Scholes == Ronaldo

=== Keane == P Neville ===

O'shea == Silvestre == G Neville

=== T Howard ===​

If we are going to stick with our normal Formation 4-4-2

=== Saha == Vanistelrooy ===

Giggs == Keane == Scholes == Ronaldo

O'shea == Silvestre == Brown == G Neville

=== T Howard ===​
 
=== Saha == Vanistelrooy ===

Giggs == Keane == Scholes == Ronaldo

O'shea == Silvestre == Brown == G Neville

=== T Howard ===

I agree with this formation, we can beat any team in the PL with this team, and its time fergie drops phil neville, we need to go all out and beat teams with an attacking formation from now till the end of the season or we will fall behind arsenal much more.
 
mozza said:
In the much mentioned 6-2 v newcastle where did scholes play to score his hatrick? left wing

Why? cause SAF wanted pace up alongside ruud

If Saha plays it means ronaldo and ole wont, it also means scholes will play inside right, where because he is right footed he'll be more comfortable. Giggs will still be on the left, which is the most important part, scholes will still be free to score goals, many more now that he has been freed from central midfield.
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Scholes can be very effective on the left but the few times I've seen him on the right he has been ineffective. From the left when he moves forward he's in an ideal position to use his right foot to shoot.

But whatever, I guess the next few months will tell who's right...
 
- - - - - - - - - - - - Howard - - - - - - - - - - - -

Gary - - - - Oshea - - - - Silvestre - - - -Fortune

Ronaldo - - - - Scholes - - - - Keane - - - - Giggs

- - - - - - - - Ruud - - - - - - Saha - - - - - - - -

would also be my choice. Can't wait to see scholes in the CM alongside Keano. Having him on the right is waste of talent. I can also see Kleb starting instead of Ronaldo.
 
peterstorey said:
Your analysis is quite right. Which means you're going to keep playing 4411 most of the time. Key questions are:

1) Who can you play on the right to give you some creativity (Ronaldo not ready, Fletcher not suited to it, Solsjkaer a stop gap)?
2) Can you afford to play a defender like P. Neville in midfield to cover Keane's decline?
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1. Ole is far from a stop gap. You are a moron.

2. Yes. The whole idea is that someone is there to serve as insurance, kind of. So that Keane doesnt have to go rushing around all over the place, risking injury. It limits our creativity but theres no way we can afford to leave Keane out, or, in my opinion, play him as a holding midfielder.
 
VanNistlerater said:
1. Ole is far from a stop gap. You are a moron.

2. Yes. The whole idea is that someone is there to serve as insurance, kind of. So that Keane doesnt have to go rushing around all over the place, risking injury. It limits our creativity but theres no way we can afford to leave Keane out, or, in my opinion, play him as a holding midfielder.
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Good point especially about the first one you pointed out. :lol: :lol:
 
--------------- Howard ----------------

Gaz ---- Silvestre -- O'Shea ---- Fortune

Kleberson -- Keane --- Scholes --- Giggs

------- van Nistelrooy ---- Saha -------

Kleberson has been pretty unimpressive on the wing, but Ronaldo doesn't often play two games in a row. I think he's played three in a row now.
 
- - - - - - - - - - - - Howard - - - - - - - - - - - -

Gary - - - - Brown - - - - Silvestre - - - - Oshea

Ronaldo - - - - Scholes - - - - Keane - - - - Giggs

- - - - - - - - Ruud - - - - Saha - - - - - - - -


Subs:

Carrol
Fortune
Phil
Ole
Kleberson


4-4-2. Id prefer oshea in Browns position and Fortune in osheas position which means leaving Brown on bench. Brown needs to be playing to get better so i still think SAF will play him. Gary and Giggs both had slight injuries so im sure they are fit enough to start. Ronaldo makes a much larger impact on the game then Fletcher imo. Saha did well with Ruud on his debut so SAF should play him again. The subs i just guessed. Not sure if kleberson will make the bench or ole.


Prediction - goals from united. No goals from Everton.
 
I think united will look at their defence against Southampton and really see where the faults are. Everton have some key injuries. One being Ferguson who scored the only goal for Everton apart from Gary's own goal.

I dont see united coughing up any goals.

2-0 or 3-0 imo. if they play aggresive like they did at southampton then maybe even 4-0.
 
I cant see United losing this one. I predict another Saha goal and Ruud to get his 100th.
I feel Wes Brown mite be weak link in side so i wud prefer to see a bak line consisting of:

Gaz--Silvestre--O'Shea--Fortune

Another 3 points in the bag hopefully 2-0 Man Utd.
 
Paz said:
any video or audio links anyone?
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Ill see you in the chat later. Hopefully by then i'll have a video link, if not i'll give you a radio link.
 
Gary and Giggsy back
Friday 6th February 2004 14:18 | By Mark Needham

Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs could feature in tomorrow's game against Everton after being named in the squad to face the Goodision outfit.

The duo have been missing for around 3 weeks now with back and thigh problems respectively, and United fans will be pleased they are now matchfit after some decidedly dodgy performances in the last few games.

Kleberson could also feature after being given time off for a holiday in Brazil.

Squad:
Howard, Carroll, G Neville, Silvestre, Brown, O'Shea, Fortune, P Neville, Forlan, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Scholes, Butt, Keane, Kleberson, Giggs, van Nistelrooy, Saha, Bellion.
 
Mr. Wood said:
Kleberson has been pretty unimpressive on the wing, but Ronaldo doesn't often play two games in a row. I think he's played three in a row now.
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I don't think that it's how many games Ronaldo plays in a row, but how many in a week. When we played a match on the weekend and one in the middle of the week, he never played two in a row. But as we've only been playing on the weekends in the last few weeks, he played every match.

With Giggs back, though, Ronaldo will probably be on the bench.
 
Gary and Giggsy back
Friday 6th February 2004 14:18 | By Mark Needham

Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs could feature in tomorrow's game against Everton after being named in the squad to face the Goodision outfit.

The duo have been missing for around 3 weeks now with back and thigh problems respectively, and United fans will be pleased they are now matchfit after some decidedly dodgy performances in the last few games.

Kleberson could also feature after being given time off for a holiday in Brazil.

Squad:
Howard, Carroll, G Neville, Silvestre, Brown, O'Shea, Fortune, P Neville, Forlan, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Scholes, Butt, Keane, Kleberson, Giggs, van Nistelrooy, Saha, Bellion.
 
Phil Neville is not in the 16. Must have been given a break to stay with his family.
 
BahamaRed said:
Gary and Giggsy back
Friday 6th February 2004 14:18 | By Mark Needham

Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs could feature in tomorrow's game against Everton after being named in the squad to face the Goodision outfit.

The duo have been missing for around 3 weeks now with back and thigh problems respectively, and United fans will be pleased they are now matchfit after some decidedly dodgy performances in the last few games.

Kleberson could also feature after being given time off for a holiday in Brazil.

Squad:
Howard, Carroll, G Neville, Silvestre, Brown, O'Shea, Fortune, P Neville, Forlan, Ronaldo, Fletcher, Scholes, Butt, Keane, Kleberson, Giggs, van Nistelrooy, Saha, Bellion.
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Oi, you've said that twice already.
 
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