I'd be happy with that XI.
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I'd be happy with that XI.
I don't think anyone is trying to put down what Moyes did at all , it was a remarkable job to take them clear of the relegation zone and have them achieve a stable place in the top half of the table with very little money. For me all this proves is that this is Moyes level, and where he should be managing wise. On the other hand Martinez ended up playing an attractive style of attacking football at Wigan which would be more suited to a top club but was detrimental to a relegation zone club where defensive solidarity is key. Ultimately, what Moyes has achieved at Everton has absolutely nothing to do with Manchester United, a club that realistically aims to win every trophy that it is in (mainly the League). It is a fact that United has become worse with him and it is also a fact Everton have now become better without him, they were in some sort of an equilibrium in their position in the table over the last years and now they have evolved under Martinez and are challenging for 4th.
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Rooney is going to be crap. He's coming off an injury and playing Everton.
Superb post.
Both those posts make excellent points to be fair, its true martinez would not be having the successful first season he is without the good base moyes built that he is working from.
But i also don't believe Moyes could have pushed everton on in the fashion they have done this season, certainly not the style they are playing for sure and probably not challenging for 4th this late into the season.
Moyes and everton were perfect for each other in a way he could keep them competitive on a small budget. I think moyes would also be very good at taking ailing or promoted sides and solidifying them in mid table. But i just don't see what parts of the skill set he built up at everton for 11 years which are transferable to a top side like United, and certainly not one with a tradition of playing attractive football.
But i also don't believe Moyes could have pushed everton on in the fashion they have done this season, certainly not the style they are playing for sure and probably not challenging for 4th this late into the season.
Moyes and everton were perfect for each other in a way he could keep them competitive on a small budget. I think moyes would also be very good at taking ailing or promoted sides and solidifying them in mid table. But i just don't see what parts of the skill set he built up at everton for 11 years which are transferable to a top side like United, and certainly not one with a tradition of playing attractive football.
oh my god thank you. I might put this post on the clip board and just paste it everytime someone gets uppity and feels confident enough to say moyes destroyed everton
It is easy to forget the hard work someone has done when someone else comes in and does better, no matter how small/big the difference is. Take nothing away from Moyes, he did a fantastic job at Everton, considering they were teetering above relegation when he joined. Despite what Martinez is doing now at Everton, Moyes work at Everton still stands as being a fantastic achievement. Martinez is doing a brilliant job now but even he would tell you that if it was for Moyes work previously, Everton wouldn't be where they are now.
I really do hope Moyes get's a good welcome from the Evertonians for all the work he done in getting the team where they are. Yes, Martinez is getting the team playing more attractive football but Moyes got them organised, hard working at fitter. Both are fantastic managers in their own right. Martinez has managed to take to his new job with flying colours while Moyes has struggled. However, Everton have shown that the pressure is starting to get to them where as the experience of United's team will look to kick on and finish the season strong.
It will be a close game but if we go with the same team that came up against Newcastle, I think we'll take this one 3-1. The only difference might be that Rooney is up top, seeing as he is passed fit but personally I would have him on the bench and start with Hernandez, as he struck up a good partnership with Mata/Kagawa.
Great post!
Does anyone else reckon we shouldn't be starting Rooney in this one?
He never, ever plays well after he's just come back from an injury, usually takes more than a few games to get going so I don't care that he's been declared fit. He was obviously completely gash against Bayern too to remind people of the nosedive his general play takes when he's carrying/just recovered from injury.
Secondly he seemingly never plays well on Merseyside either. Usually terrible at both Goodison and Anfield. I think he tries too hard when returning to his old haunt. The fans get on his back and he then becomes a danger to the rest of our team.
If we went with Chicharito being fed by Mata and Kagawa like against Newcastle we'd be a mobile and fluid attack. Can imagine a lot breaking down if we play Wazza now.
He never, ever plays well after he's just come back from an injury, usually takes more than a few games to get going so I don't care that he's been declared fit. He was obviously completely gash against Bayern too to remind people of the nosedive his general play takes when he's carrying/just recovered from injury.
Secondly he seemingly never plays well on Merseyside either. Usually terrible at both Goodison and Anfield. I think he tries too hard when returning to his old haunt. The fans get on his back and he then becomes a danger to the rest of our team.
If we went with Chicharito being fed by Mata and Kagawa like against Newcastle we'd be a mobile and fluid attack. Can imagine a lot breaking down if we play Wazza now.
Agree, he always seems to have a frustrated game at Goodison. Not what we need at all this weekend. Whole XI needs to be focused and we've got little to play for so distractions will be amplified.
Doubt Moyes will have the balls to drop him if he's fit though.
If Rooney's fit then he shouldn't be dropped. He's arguably been our best outfield player this season. Granted he doesn't always play brilliantly against Everton, and Hernandez was super against Newcastle, Rooney is the type of player who can produce something out of nothing, and that could well be the difference in a game against Everton.
Hernandez can always come on if we need a goal or to push Everton's back line back with runs in behind.
You're probably right, I just can't remember many good games for Rooney for us at Goodison.
If Rooney is fit enough and I mean properly fit, not Munich fit, he should play instead of Hernandez. It's as simple as that. I want us to win the game and he's the better player. Because he hasn't played that well the last couple of times at Goodison Park means nothing to me.
I like Hernandez but I think we should just go with our best team and try to win the game.
I like Hernandez but I think we should just go with our best team and try to win the game.
Leading on from that I'd go:
de Gea
Jones--Smalling--Evans--Evra/Buttner
Carrick--Fletcher
Valencia--Mata--Kagawa
Rooney
Evans probably isn't fit enough but I would worry about Vidic's lack of pace vs Lukaku. He bullied him at Old Trafford.
de Gea
Jones--Smalling--Evans--Evra/Buttner
Carrick--Fletcher
Valencia--Mata--Kagawa
Rooney
Evans probably isn't fit enough but I would worry about Vidic's lack of pace vs Lukaku. He bullied him at Old Trafford.
Spot on. But I think Moyes would play him if he had one leg.
I've noticed this too. Liverpool especially. He scores against City, Chelsea n Arsenal but the last goals I remember he scored on Merseyside were...
I think in a very important 4-2 comeback win against Everton
...and a 1-0 win at Anfield. Reina sloppily (
) letting a 25 yrd Rooney shot squeeze in. God knows how long ago that was.Oh this is on Sunday? Testicles.
I think we could come in for a right hammering if were not careful tomorrow, fortunately if we can guarantee anything it's being careful, right.
I can see this ending 3-1 Everton maybe even 3-2 we have already lost the midfield battle before it starts, if we park the bus it might be the most embarrassing and telling performance yet.
I can see this ending 3-1 Everton maybe even 3-2 we have already lost the midfield battle before it starts, if we park the bus it might be the most embarrassing and telling performance yet.
I think we've a good chance of winning. Our away record is good for a reason - there's less pressure on the team and counter attacking seems to be our most effective approach. Having said that we'll still need a very good performance to win but our form suggests it's quite possible.
I'm going for a 2-1 to us. Mata to score at least one.
I'm going for a 2-1 to us. Mata to score at least one.
A sign of the times indeed, were in a situation where using countering tactics against Everton is seemingly an accepted philosophy but not only that its probably our only hope.
Everton haven't been that great recently and are giving away chances. If we play well again then we've got this.
Our only hope? Seriously? You must be watching a different team than me.
Everton just conceded 3 goals at home to Palace who have only scored 27 goals all season, only Norwich have scored less (26). They are certainly beatable and with Mata fresh and the team playing with confidence away from home I don't see why we should be worried about this game.
I hope we batter them. They're getting far too cocky.
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BrilliantThe whole team is fresh lol
It will be a good game and we should be looking to win it. Everton have had two tough games and now they have the pick themselves up. We have been preparing for this game for the entire week.
I lean towards this attitude every time we don't play football, it's actually what I secretly think, I am just not thinking it out loud as it's always lead to disappointment every time we've played a decent side.
I hope we can batter these cnuts. Not too confident of that happening though
I'd like to see Januzaj get a run now until the end of the season. He's had lots of time off recently, will have the whole summer off too, so I'd be very disappointed if he's not given the chance to stretch his legs and just relax and enjoy his football in the coming weeks free of pressure.
How would you line up the three?
I think we need to give Juanji Matawa a game against Everton to see what he can do against a team that are nearer the top of the league. I also think it makes sense to play Valencia down the right to try and deal with Baines and stretch play too.
I would keep Adnan in reserve looking to bring him on if needed.
After this game, I would move Kagawa to the right flank and let Adnan play down the left. Kagawa has a good left foot and also will be given a free roaming role anyway.
Alternatively, let Januzaj drift from the right and Kagawa from the left so the front four will just occupy vacant space and move around like that, full backs provide width and let Fellaini and Carrick sit.
I would stick Januzaj and Kagawa out wide with a brief to cut inside, using full-backs for width if we're so desperate for more crosses. I think there's a fine line between over exposing a young player and not giving him enough time on the pitch. There's only so much improvement to be made sitting on the bench. He's had a decent break now so I'd say give him some football time, especially now when the pressure is effectively off insofar as results are concerned.
Talents like Januzaj's are so easily lost by both too much and too little football. The first half of the season he played too much and now we compensate by playing too little but I don't think the end result is the best of both worlds. These early years are crucial for his development and I worry what this "better from the bench" will mean for that development if that belief remains prevalent.
It'd be a shame if that promise became "super sub" and little more. Protection is important but you need to play to improve. He's not really played much at all lately and if the same continues that's virtually from February - August with minimal football, which can't be brilliant for his development.
Rooney never EVER plays well against Everton, added to that abortion of a performance against Bayern he shouldn't start again all season.
Think we'll put out something like this:
Put in Rafael at right back and move jones in the middle and it'd probably be our strongest lineup in moyes' eyes (I'd just take out fellaini but whatever).
Doubt Evans will start as moyes just said he's making progress rather then fully fit, the front 4 should be that though. Welbeck has done well but the only player you could argue he should start over is Valencia, but Valencia has been pretty good lately.
De gea
Jones smalling Vidic evra
Carrick fellaini
Valencia mata kagawa
Rooney
Jones smalling Vidic evra
Carrick fellaini
Valencia mata kagawa
Rooney
Put in Rafael at right back and move jones in the middle and it'd probably be our strongest lineup in moyes' eyes (I'd just take out fellaini but whatever).
Doubt Evans will start as moyes just said he's making progress rather then fully fit, the front 4 should be that though. Welbeck has done well but the only player you could argue he should start over is Valencia, but Valencia has been pretty good lately.
That looks like a good lineup for this game.
Valencia could actually cause some damage against Everton if he's on song.
---------D Gea
-------Back Four (Who evers fit this week)
-----Carrick Jones
Nani Fellaini Januzaj
------Hernandez
I know its strange not having Mata or Kagawa start. But I don't who else we have that can hold the ball up and link up play. So I've just tryed picking a balanced team rather than do it the England way.(Shoving unfit players in and putting square pegs in round holes.) A team thats the sum of it parts and all that.
-------Back Four (Who evers fit this week)
-----Carrick Jones
Nani Fellaini Januzaj
------Hernandez
I know its strange not having Mata or Kagawa start. But I don't who else we have that can hold the ball up and link up play. So I've just tryed picking a balanced team rather than do it the England way.(Shoving unfit players in and putting square pegs in round holes.) A team thats the sum of it parts and all that.
Start fellaini in the hole ahead of mata, kagawa or Rooney....
Your lineup is exactly what the England way is, hoof it up to some target man who will throw elbows all game.
Start fellaini in the hole ahead of mata, kagawa or Rooney....
Your lineup is exactly what the England way is, hoof it up to some target man who will throw elbows all game.
It's quite funny that he said that his team isn't on the England way, but it is like a team that only Hodgson or McLaren could have the imagination of picking.Really nervous for this game now, will miss it due to work so will come back to the result. I hate doing that.
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