Everton vs Manchester United

vanthaman said:
Rio out with leg muscle injury according to the Sunday star
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Couldn't have been a bit more specific could they? :lol: Hopefully they're chatting ball-locks once again. If not, then Carrick will have to step in if Johnny still isn't available.

De Gea
Rafael Carrick Vidic Evra
Valencia Anderson Scholes Nani
Kagawa
Rooney​

It's not ideal, but it'll have to be done.
 
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feck it, not now Rio.
 
Four central defenders missing the first game of the season? Seriously, that beggars belief.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Couldn't have been a bit more specific could they? :lol: Hopefully they're chatting ball-locks once again. If not, then Carrick will have to step in if Johnny still isn't available.

De Gea
Rafael Carrick Vidic Evra
Valencia Anderson Scholes Nani
Kagawa
Rooney​

It's not ideal, but it'll have to be done.
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Shudders*
 
gooDevil said:
No one else is reporting an injury to Rio that I can see on google, I'll wait for confirmation beyond the Sunday Star to swear and fume.
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Star just like Sun likes to run these exclusive injury reports on United players and they are in most cases plain bullshit so I'm not worried about Rio yet.
 
If Rio is out, then I think if Evans is just lacking match fitness then throw him in. Not ideal of course with Vidic coming back as well, but I doubt SAF will start either Keane or Wootton - so Carrick is the option to partner Vidic. I think we'd miss Carrick so badly that I'd rather keep him in position and add Cleverley as well there to play deep and support the centre-backs.

If Fellaini and Gibson are fit then I want Carrick in the centre regardless - otherwise Everton will just stroll though the midfield.
 
Antisocial said:
If Rio is out, then I think if Evans is just lacking match fitness then throw him in. Not ideal of course with Vidic coming back as well, but I doubt SAF will start either Keane or Wootton - so Carrick is the option to partner Vidic. I think we'd miss Carrick so badly that I'd rather keep him in position and add Cleverley as well there to play deep and support the centre-backs.

If Fellaini and Gibson are fit then I want Carrick in the centre regardless - otherwise Everton will just stroll though the midfield.
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Those words should not be mentioned in the same sentence.
 
Why do people think Rooney will play left? It ruins him.

I'm genuinely asking here, maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me you should play your best player in his best position, and if you want to play with wingers you should actually use wingers..
 
Theon said:
Why do people think Rooney will play left? It ruins him.

I'm genuinely asking here, maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me you should play your best player in his best position, and if you want to play with wingers you should actually use wingers..
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RVP will play in his best position. :p

I think we'll play 4-2-3-1 away to Everton, don't you?

It'll be Kagawa or Rooney starting from a left-sided position, that's my guess.
 
:lol: Rooney > RVP

Yeah no doubt, but I'm 100% it will be Kagawa wide. Can't see Rooney playing there in the slightest, personally.
 
Theon said:
:lol: Rooney > RVP
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Are we actually having this debate or are we just throwing smilies in as a friendly joke?

Theon said:
Yeah no doubt, but I'm 100% it will be Kagawa wide. Can't see Rooney playing there in the slightest, personally.
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100%.... none of us are 100%, this is SAF we're talking about. Personally I'd say I'm 50/50 although maybe he's likely to not want to upset Rooney straight off by moving him to accommodate 2 new players.
 
Given the other gems on that back page I wont worry just yet, but if it's true we need to find a way that doesn't involve moving Carrick out of midfield.
 
I dunno, are we having this debate? Seems like a pretty one sided fecking debate.

I'm 100%, cant see it happening, would be fecking retarded. Stick your best scorer out on the wing, which highlights his inability to dribble..

Or Kagawa who plays there internationally and is far more suited to a wide role.

No contest what will happen, but we'll see on Monday.
 
Theon said:
This, you're the one that said it.

Talking about Van Persie vs Rooney..
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I joked with a tongue pulling face.

FWIW, at this point we can't claim that Rooney is our "best player". We have 2 very talented new kids on the block that could possibly be that, time will tell. It certainly aint clear who our best player is.
 
Rooney's our best player.

And no you didn't, you posted a tounge pulling face in the post before, then when I responded you got all wierd and asked if I wanted to debate it. Not that I give a shit, cba talking about this anymore.
 
Theon said:
Rooney's our best player.
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I'm not sure all United fans would agree, a huge percentage wouldn't and I'd wager a huge percentage more will sway to RVP or Kagawa once they start strutting.

The idea that Rooney is definitely our best player is blinkered to say the least.

I thought you were joking lightheartedly with the smilie in reply to my cheeky RVP comment, but it seems you are certain that Rooney is our best player, and since I now realise that I fancied the debate. I reckon at least half the defenders in the Prem think it's RVP.
 
Yeah fair enough, I can see both ways and it is certainly close.

But if I was picking a team from the Prem, Rooney would be my first pick 10 times out of 10. He can do everything.
 
You can have your opinion, but don't blatantly say most people would agree with you, it's pretty clear to me and pretty much everyone I talk to that Rooney's our best player and one of the best in the world.
You might prefer RvP, and that's ok with me, but I'd be willing to bet anything that the majority would tell you they'd have Rooney over RvP anyday regardless of the fact that RvP scored more goals last year, it's expected of a player to score more goals when the whole team basicaly revolves around you and your ability to score.
And the thought of moving Rooney outwide when he's clearly grown into playing a central role just makes me cringe.
You do not move your best player from his position to accomodate "lesser" players, and seeing as Rooney's not as fast as he was and isn't as great in 1 on 1's it would make no sense sticking him out wide, and at the same time you'd be "wasting" his scoring ability to a certain extent.
 
I'm always right said:
I'm not sure all United fans would agree, a huge percentage wouldn't and I'd wager a huge percentage more will sway to RVP or Kagawa once they start strutting.

The idea that Rooney is definitely our best player is blinkered to say the least.

I thought you were joking lightheartedly with the smilie in reply to my cheeky RVP comment, but it seems you are certain that Rooney is our best player, and since I now realise that I fancied the debate. I reckon at least half the defenders in the Prem think it's RVP.
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Well he is.
 
If Rio is out Im not very confident of a clean sheet here for DDG. If Jelavic is on form he will torture Carrick, lets hope we control possession and score a bucketload without imploding again at the back. Not looking forward to this one.
 
syrian_scholes said:
Well he is.
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Hmmm, cheers for that syrian.

A poll on here last year says you're all wrong by the way, if we go off the general opinion on redcafe. But you are entitled to that opinion and may well be right.

But answer me this, don't you think half the defenders in the Prem think RVP is better? I reckon so.

Besides the point though, I reckon the chances are he'll play middle with Kagawa left in a 4-2-3-1, and I understand why some people consider him our best player. I simply don't think it's a given that he's our best player after the acquisitions of Kagawa and Van Persie. Either of these players might prove to be good enough to show that they must play in their favoured position.
 
Fellaini will cause us endless problems if we're not right on the ball in defence. If we lineup with Rafael, Carrick and Evra at the back he'll have a field day.
 
Carrick has always done a job at center back, but it's still bad news, how long are the others out for?

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Rafael---Vidic------Carrick------Evra
----------Ando----Cleverely
Valencia--------Kagawa------------Nani
-----------------Rooney
 
JakeC said:
Carrick has always done a job at center back, but it's still bad news, how long are the others out for?

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Rafael---Vidic------Carrick------Evra
----------Ando----Cleverely
Valencia--------Kagawa------------Nani
-----------------Rooney
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I don't think Valencia fits in to this system. The attacking 3 need to be able to interchange. Could Valencia be as effective on the left as he is on the right? I would rather play Young in this system than Valencia.

Valencia is brilliant in a 442.
 
3 of the 4 can still interchange. It'll still be pretty fluid.. with the added threat that Val poses.
 
I'm always right said:
Hmmm, cheers for that syrian.

A poll on here last year says you're all wrong by the way, if we go off the general opinion on redcafe. But you are entitled to that opinion and may well be right.

But answer me this, don't you think half the defenders in the Prem think RVP is better? I reckon so.

Besides the point though, I reckon the chances are he'll play middle with Kagawa left in a 4-2-3-1, and I understand why some people consider him our best player. I simply don't think it's a given that he's our best player after the acquisitions of Kagawa and Van Persie. Either of these players might prove to be good enough to show that they must play in their favoured position.
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Where do you get this from?
Because last year he finaly played an entire season injury free, while being the focal point of the team and the one that was relied upon to constantly deliver goals because there was no one else capable of doing that in the team?
Someone might "fear" him more than Rooney when they're facing him head on, but that doesn't mean he's the better player. I'd always be more "afraid" of getting beaten by someone with better dribbling skills, 1on1's etc. , but dribbling doesn't make player X better than player Y.

Whichever way you put it, this is Rooney's team, and it's Rooney's team for a reason. RvP might be deadlier to deal with if you're a defender and facing him on a 1on1, but that doesn't tell you the whole story. I'm pretty sure there's a bigger chance of me being beaten by Anderson rather than Carrick, but there's no doubt in anyone's mind that Carrick is the better player.

You're free to share your own opinion, and it's not like you're just stating something without making a case for it, I just really can't agree with it :)
 
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