Or one of the worst ever. One of the two.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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So I see you bolded this part (and I'm aware you didn't write the original post - so this also applies to davisjw): "If someone mistook me for being racist, I wouldn't apologize and move on. I'd fight it tooth and nail. That's your reputation."
So are you both saying that Alan Hansen should have not actually apologised for his comment on MOTD, but should instead have "fought" it by talking about his ancestry, explaining how he always uses that word in his home country, posting videos of himself in Africa, and asking Lineker, Dixon and Lawrenson to wear t-shirts with his smiling face on it? All the while tweeting about how this was such a difficult time for him.
Or perhaps, because he knew he was not actually racist, but had instead used a word that some people take offense to, he thought it more suitable to immediately apologise unreservedly.
Of the two approaches, I know which one has for me had the more positive impact on the person's reputation...
It is clear that Suarez used the word repeatedly to get under Paddy's skin, to upset him. He used it as a slur. So, the whole he didnt mean it like that argument goes out the window really.
Apart from the fact that FA didn't called him a racist and didn't also book him under Racism.
Nice avatar, you twat. Is Evra still a cry baby as you assumed in your earlier posts in this thread?
Absolutely. & his cnutish reputation has gone up quite a few notches aswell.
The avatar proves something else I 'assumed' earlier on in the thread. This is all about one-upmanship & tribalism, as opposed to racism.
Still, it's good to see that some people on here are slowly coming around to the fact that Suarez's is not racist. I'm looking forward to you & your buddies joining our campaign to clear name.
Cheers.
just own up what he said was wrong, apologize and leave it to rest.do you know him personally?
What actually makes a person racist? Do they have to go around planting burning crosses in peoples gardens?
Suarez allegedly used words about evras race/colour offensively and to me that makes him part of the problem regardless of what kind of person evra is, there are many other ways to wind an opponent up. Maybe suarez should have just bitten evra and he would have only got the 7 game ban.
Sums up your club and fans aswell. Go back to RAWK and cry about the unfair treatment by FA. Twat.
Oh and as far as Evra's reputation is concerned, Suarez and your club's reputation should be more concerning to you. It has taken a new hammering.
You and dumbstar keep managing to raise the bar for the levels of spasticity on this forum, it's quite an achievement, you must be very proud of each other.
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Sums up Liverpool fans IMO. Bunch of twats trying to make profit of every situation.
Sums up Liverpool fans IMO. Bunch of twats trying to make profit of every situation.
So had Suarez simply apologised, gave Evra a hug, then walked away, all this shit wouldn't have come about ? Don't kid yourself mate. Our man has taken over the role as Premiership pantomime villain from the likes of Drogba & Ronaldo. The FA have been itching for something like this to come along, so they can show their teeth, & middle-finger, to the likes of Sepp Blatter & co. & you really expect people on here would have accepted such a gesture ?. You'd be screaming blue murder that Suarez hadn't been punished, & that the FA & everyone else in the game is an ABU. This thread reflects a lot of what Rory Smith says in his article...........Sanctimonious & hypocritical.
I would say that this has been the effect of Liverpool's actions, rather than anything United have done.
Dalglish's comments about how "they will not let themselves be divided" and how the FA was looking for a way to punish them before they had even started the process have all had that effect. Nevermind the ridiculous t-shirt campaign.
You still don't get it, do you?
Suarez was not banned for being a racist. He was found guilty of using insulting words that included a reference to Evra's colour.
So this is not a witch-hunt, or a conspiracy. It is a player being deemed guilty of breaking the FA rules and being punished accordingly.
A Steve Jobs like "reality distortion field" looms around all Pool fans.
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Nice article regarding this.
Nice article regarding this.
If he'd done that after the obvious offence caused the first time he said it then yes, absolutely.
You're an idiot. Seriously, you really are.
"Pantomime villain"...for making racist comments? Nice attempt to diminish what he did.
As for sanctimonious, I think you'll get a better understanding of what that behaviour looks like by checking out your fellow fans on rawk.
I rarely get involved in the petty shit that goes on here and I doubt any United fan not wearing rose tinted glasses would deny that Evra can be a dick and a real WUM, however your branding of him is quite funny as it coincides with your defense of a spitting, biting, hand-balling Gollum-esque individual who admitted to using a racist term.
Do one you fecking idiot
Tell me, what exactly has Evra done wrong????
No United fan will ever join you bunch of fecking fannies in this. Suarez is not racist but he DID make a racist comment (fact-confirmed by Suarez) which was rightly reported. He should have said, "im sorry, I didnt realise it was offensive, im really sorry". Take the slap on the wrist, and move on. No, he has to try and brazen it out, backed up by the increasingly bizarre behaviour coming out of Anfield. Behaviour which was has shocked many neutral observers. By their statements and wearing those ludicrous t-shirts, your club is saying its ok for your players to make racist comments to other opponents. Well, thats fine. feck off and join your lynching parties. Just dont expect the rest of us to sit back and not direct rightful abuse towards your club. The blame lies squarely at Anfield, only they can resolve this.
yep.
Calling the victim of racist abuse a crybaby makes you as good as a racist yourself. I hope you're proud. Or banned. Absolutely pathetic.
Also, I don't think the FA has been itching to show anyone their middle finger. Think you might find that was Suarez who was itching to do that...as I'm sure that separate investigation into the incident will conclude.
Quick question - if he is found guilty of making the abusive gesture he was pictured making, and is banned for further games, will you be able to just reuse your supportive t-shirts? Or will that new conspiracy require new t-shirts to be printed?
Agreed - just a shame for the usual blinkered comments that follow the article...
Nice post and completely agree.
Someone claimed there aren't enough black people in Uruguay for racism to be an issue. Looking up some info I've found that about 10% of the population of Uruguay is of African decent, compared to 14% in the States and 3% in England.
If racism can be a problem in England with 3%, it surely can be in Uruguay with 10%. And there is at least one group in Uruguay fighting racism.
LAUNCH OF ANTI-RACISM CAMPAIGN IN URUGUAY IN THE YEAR OF AFRO-DESCENDANTS
If racism can be a problem in England with 3%, it surely can be in Uruguay with 10%. And there is at least one group in Uruguay fighting racism.
LAUNCH OF ANTI-RACISM CAMPAIGN IN URUGUAY IN THE YEAR OF AFRO-DESCENDANTS
Have we seen evidence of Suarez using negrito x 10 times? Has anyone seen it btw?
we haven't, but an independant panel, which includes a QC have seen whatever evidence there was, and they obviously thought it was enough.
Here is an excerpt from a 1999 UN meeting on racial issues in Uruguay:
United Nations Human Rights Website - Treaty Bodies Database - Document - Summary Record - Uruguay
So it seems there is a tendency to act like there is no problem where there is. Not surprising, really.
United Nations Human Rights Website - Treaty Bodies Database - Document - Summary Record - Uruguay
So it seems there is a tendency to act like there is no problem where there is. Not surprising, really.
You are such a spastic its unreal. Nevertheless, your avatar was given to you because you made ridiculous and ignorant posts earlier in this thread, I see that hasn't changed.
From the UN Refugee Agency, April 2011:
UNHCR | Refworld | 2010 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - Uruguay
It would seem that racism exists in Uruguay.
UNHCR | Refworld | 2010 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - Uruguay
It would seem that racism exists in Uruguay.
I'm sure it won't be long before rawk claims Sir Alex is behind that report too...
Woah, even IF we are to assume that what Suarez said is perfectly acceptable because it's a harmless term in Uruguay, and it was all innocent matey banter in the middle of a local derby...which is of course ridiculous, but for the sake of argument lets assume it so...how in the fecking fecks name of Lord fecking fecksworth of fecksbridge does that mean Evra is a cry baby?
Get your brains tested you mongrels. Seriously, to every retarded Liverpool worshipping half wit reading this: Ah, feck it. You are BEYOND help.
Get your brains tested you mongrels. Seriously, to every retarded Liverpool worshipping half wit reading this: Ah, feck it. You are BEYOND help.
I guess Evra should be better versed on the nuances of South American inter-racial slang.
The fecking cry-baby.
You are a compete idiots and if you believe any of the rubbish you post then I feel sorry for you.
You are just peddling the same shit that is posted on RAWK , everybody is against Liverpool and wants United to win everything.
I used to think you was one of the Liverpool posted with a brain and not one of the RAWK idiots ,but you posts in this thread have just shown the complete opposite and you are worst than some of them , are you andy@atherton ?
Fixed.
Could you please explain how Evra's reputation has gone up in the cnutish stakes?
He's heard words directed at him on the pitch that he considers racially based abuse, he made a formal complaint, and then without he or the club entering the media arena on this waited for the decision of an independent three man panel, and subsequent to the decision has continued not to engage the media, all while assorted news outlets (most recently Ronnie Whelan in one of his articles) crap on about a checkered past of race card playing that doesn't actually exist.
Unless he's burned down some orphanages or something when I've not been paying attention you seem to have succumbed to the same tribalism you're accusing everyone else of, because it would seem that Evra has not acted in a way to call his reputation into question here.
Wow.
Just Wow.
How. fecking. Thick. Are. You?
Do you honestly beleive he's been charged or found guilty of being a racist, you dumb feck?
I'd love to have some way of reading you lot's minds and finding out if you honestly can't understand, or are just pretending in order to try and dodge a ban for your best player.
But to do that we'd need the kind of mind-reading machine that you seem to think the FA have used on goofy.
Edit - I've thought about this and of course you understand and are just pretending not to...
It may be possible to be ignorant of the issue and not understand the difference between being accused of being a racist and saying something racist, but you must have spent hours talking, reading and posting on this issue, and can't have missed the endlessly repeated explanations.
And I don't think it's possible to be informed on the point, but just not get your head round it. It's so fecking simple it's a joke.
BTW - what's your take on the hilarious "Evra is a liar / Evra says Suarez isn't a racist" dilema from the Offical LFC Rant?
You say sorry when you're in the wrong generally.
Suarez is in the wrong, whether that be because he's card carrying member of the KKK or simply the victim of cultural naivety.
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and buy his explanation for a sec. Now, say you were on holiday somewhere and called a barman 'buddy' only to find out that where you were buddy meant cnut.
Would you:
A. Say 'Jesus sorry mate, i didn't know. I meant no offence'
or
B. Call the barman a liar and question his integrity.
Quite simply there's a way to behave which includes apologising when you might be wrong.
But Liverpool have chosen to publicly back Suarez blindly and regardless and have mainly done so by attacking Evra. You're claiming it's all driven by Utd Liverpool thing, if anything I think Liverpool are the ones guilty of that, I wonder would the club and fans be reacting in the same way if it wasn't Utd.
I just can't get my head around how Liverpool are thinking. I honestly think how the club, manager and fans are behaving will damage the reputation and standing of the club.
Cry-baby. Wow. Are you Lugano, or Poyet, in disguise!?!
Evra is one of two things, depending on the truth of the comments made in the first place:
1, A liar.
If Suarez never made ANY reference to Evra's skin colour or race then we can agree Evra is lying.
Problem is, Suarez has admitted doing so, although won't confirm the exact word used.
2, Doing the right thing.
If the comment has been made, Evra is correct and absolutely within his rights to report it. It was never his responsibility to make sure that someone else heard it before coming forward - that would like expecting a rape victim to only report a sexual assault if there was CCTV footage or a bystander witness!
Now, whether the evidence is truly compelling enough to justify the 'conviction', that's another matter but one completely out fo Evra's control.
The way you lot, including Liverpool FC in an official capacity, has villified Evra, is an absolute fecking disgrace. You bleat on about conspiracy theories and the FA hating you - well, it'll be a massive indicator that they actually favour you when they don't punish your joke of a club for the pathetic PR campaign and attack on Evra they've undertaken since the verdit was announced.
All you (Liverpool, in general) had to do was keep your mouth shut until the findings were released. If it really was a case of Suarez denying saying ANYTHING that could be construed as racist versus Evra's insistence, I would actually say that the ruling was harsh. Until that time, why make complete and utter fools of yourselves?
Evra is one of two things, depending on the truth of the comments made in the first place:
1, A liar.
If Suarez never made ANY reference to Evra's skin colour or race then we can agree Evra is lying.
Problem is, Suarez has admitted doing so, although won't confirm the exact word used.
2, Doing the right thing.
If the comment has been made, Evra is correct and absolutely within his rights to report it. It was never his responsibility to make sure that someone else heard it before coming forward - that would like expecting a rape victim to only report a sexual assault if there was CCTV footage or a bystander witness!
Now, whether the evidence is truly compelling enough to justify the 'conviction', that's another matter but one completely out fo Evra's control.
The way you lot, including Liverpool FC in an official capacity, has villified Evra, is an absolute fecking disgrace. You bleat on about conspiracy theories and the FA hating you - well, it'll be a massive indicator that they actually favour you when they don't punish your joke of a club for the pathetic PR campaign and attack on Evra they've undertaken since the verdit was announced.
All you (Liverpool, in general) had to do was keep your mouth shut until the findings were released. If it really was a case of Suarez denying saying ANYTHING that could be construed as racist versus Evra's insistence, I would actually say that the ruling was harsh. Until that time, why make complete and utter fools of yourselves?