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Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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A LIVERPOOL FC fan racially abused Manchester United captain Patrice Evra and branded disabled supporters “spastics”, a court heard.
Dad-of-five Phillip Gannon, 58, was accused of making “monkey” impressions and referring to the French defender as a “little black s***” when the Reds played United in January.
The tense FA Cup tie was the first time the rival sides had met following Luis Suarez’s ban for racially abusing Evra.
Liverpool magistrates court yesterday heard how Gannon, from Barmouth, North Wales, was seen on television allegedly making a “monkey gesture”.
He was arrested at home after an image of him with his hands under his arms spread on Twitter.
Gannon claims he was doing an impression of “Neanderthal” United fans.
Prosecution witnesses who were sat near Gannon in the Centenary Stand told how he was abusive throughout the match.
Reds fan David Maguire said he twice told him to be quiet.
The season-ticket holder said Evra was 10 yards from their seats when he heard Gannon make a racial slur in French, a claim he denies.
Mr Maguire said: “He said words to the effect of ‘tu es petit noir homme merde’ which is bad French, grammatically not right. I took the three words together ‘little black s***’.
“That was directed at Patrice Evra.”
Season-ticket holder John Inman was at the game with his son Sam, 20. He said he heard Gannon refer to the Munich air disaster, where seven United players died, and call their fans “pikey *****”.
While none of the witnesses saw the alleged monkey gesture captured by cameras, Sam Inman told the court he saw Gannon do similar close to the final whistle.
He said: “I was shocked. He was celebrating [the win] but antagonising the United fans.”
Mr Inman also claimed Gannon shouted abuse towards disabled football fans.
He said: “Towards the disabled fans he shouted ‘f*** you, you spastic mutants’ and that shocked me more than anything else.”
Gannon, who denies two public order offences, said he did not use the word “spastic” and said he did not realise that “pikey” was a racial slur.
He said: “I only shouted towards the Manchester United fans after they were giving us abuse about Hillsborough.
“I called them ‘pikey’ and said ‘get back in your caves’, that sort of thing.”
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Dad-of-five Phillip Gannon, 58, was accused of making “monkey” impressions and referring to the French defender as a “little black s***” when the Reds played United in January.
The tense FA Cup tie was the first time the rival sides had met following Luis Suarez’s ban for racially abusing Evra.
Liverpool magistrates court yesterday heard how Gannon, from Barmouth, North Wales, was seen on television allegedly making a “monkey gesture”.
He was arrested at home after an image of him with his hands under his arms spread on Twitter.
Gannon claims he was doing an impression of “Neanderthal” United fans.
Prosecution witnesses who were sat near Gannon in the Centenary Stand told how he was abusive throughout the match.
Reds fan David Maguire said he twice told him to be quiet.
The season-ticket holder said Evra was 10 yards from their seats when he heard Gannon make a racial slur in French, a claim he denies.
Mr Maguire said: “He said words to the effect of ‘tu es petit noir homme merde’ which is bad French, grammatically not right. I took the three words together ‘little black s***’.
“That was directed at Patrice Evra.”
Season-ticket holder John Inman was at the game with his son Sam, 20. He said he heard Gannon refer to the Munich air disaster, where seven United players died, and call their fans “pikey *****”.
While none of the witnesses saw the alleged monkey gesture captured by cameras, Sam Inman told the court he saw Gannon do similar close to the final whistle.
He said: “I was shocked. He was celebrating [the win] but antagonising the United fans.”
Mr Inman also claimed Gannon shouted abuse towards disabled football fans.
He said: “Towards the disabled fans he shouted ‘f*** you, you spastic mutants’ and that shocked me more than anything else.”
Gannon, who denies two public order offences, said he did not use the word “spastic” and said he did not realise that “pikey” was a racial slur.
He said: “I only shouted towards the Manchester United fans after they were giving us abuse about Hillsborough.
“I called them ‘pikey’ and said ‘get back in your caves’, that sort of thing.”
Read More http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/2012...g-patrice-evra-100252-31235204/#ixzz1yYDKYRCj
Father of 5... poor kids.
Political correctness gone mad
Nice to see sensible LFC fans ratted him out and testified against him.
'pikey' is a racial slur?
People turn into idiots at football matches. Although he could be just an idiot period. He managed to be racist, insult disabled fans and do Munich shite all at the same time.
Er...punishing someone for monkey gestures is not being just PC. It's the right thing to do.
I wonder how they would have reacted if this guy was their star player rather then some bum.
That first one clearly flew over a couple of heads
I did not realise this either.
He was being a teeny bit sarcastic.
Is it? I've done nothing but rant about pikeys these last few weeks due to Appleby Fair
We're all smiles
then, honest, I swear
it's the turnstiles
that make us hostile.
We will descend
on anyone unable to defend
themselves.
And the songs we sing
they're not supposed
to mean a thing.
Personally I think they are idiots who just needed the right stage to show their abilities.
Mob mentality.
Again, a mob is not a group of people, but a group of people who are idiots. My main point is that football can't be used as an excuse or reason, because most of us are abvle to attend without being racists.
I reckon it's partly the anonymous aspect too, much seen on the internet to a higher degree. An individual is a lot more anonymous in amongst all the shouting at a football game than he would be anywhere else.
Towards the travelling community, sure it is.
It's not as potent as some others, but when you refer to someone as a pikey and you're doing so in a derogatory manner towards a particular 'racial' group, therefore it's a racial slur.
It's not as potent as some others, but when you refer to someone as a pikey and you're doing so in a derogatory manner towards a particular 'racial' group, therefore it's a racial slur.
Oh, so gypos are a race now are they
Love that album. God bless Mick Ronson.
The UN International Convention of Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (1969) defines racial discrimination as follows:
"Any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life".
Aye, a cracker. It was a return to form after the good in spots but overall wishy washy 'Kill Uncle'.
'Gyppo' tends not to be all that nice either
Followed it up with "Vauxhall and I" as well. Great stuff. But can't think of a football reference on that one.
Roy's Keen?
Nah, that was the only good song on Maladjusted. A low point.
Yep, you are right. But I think I liked that album. I'll have a listen after.
Well, surely that suggests that all nationalities are races also.
As defined by the UN in terms of racial discrimination, yep. The old signs 'No Blacks, No Irish; is racist against two groups.
There are around 300,000 Gypsy Roma and Irish Travellers in the UK – Roma Gypsies are originally from northern India, whereas Travellers are of Irish origin – and both groups are nomadic. Since 2002, Travellers have been recognised as an ethnic group and are protected under the Race Relations Act.
I copied that from an article in The Guardian, but it does show how ignorant we can be. I include myself in that, my Parents always called all travellers gyppos or pikeys and the assumption was that they were Irish.
I copied that from an article in The Guardian, but it does show how ignorant we can be. I include myself in that, my Parents always called all travellers gyppos or pikeys and the assumption was that they were Irish.
Possibly, although I'd think it moreso expands the definition of racist or racial, and not race. Quite weird anyway you put it really.
Irish 'Travellers' my arse.
Those I've met have always called themselves Tinkers, and they're proud of it.
Those I've met have always called themselves Tinkers, and they're proud of it.
(on multiple levels)
Oh shut up you tart.
I'm guessing you haven't met many then.