Of that vid I posted, at 1:46 I'm sure Evra is telling the ref about what is being said to him. I hope something good comes out of this.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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Of that vid I posted, at 1:46 I'm sure Evra is telling the ref about what is being said to him. I hope something good comes out of this.
According to journos on twatter, the allegation was made at the end of the match to the ref and not during it.
Ref has included it in his report.
Are you seriously holding out any hope?
make the bastard deny it. no one will believe him of course.
he will be treated like the shit he is.
he will be treated like the shit he is.
It is very white, I'll admit that.
There was a girl from S. Africa in one of my classes a couple of years ago but I never plucked up the courage to speak to her. Her unbelievably white teeth put me off.
The complaint was made at the end of the game as it turns out, no way any ref is going to book someone for allegations of racism.
You are guilty of being ABU! No need to prove because you are!
Everyone gets your bloody point, I bet you're part of the lunatic mob that want to edit Mark Twain novels.
love Casablanca too.....
I might be on me own now but as much as i hate LFC and the diving cnut he might have said that word in the heat of the moment. If he said it I´m sure he regret it but those of you who think that it´s all very gentle out there has never played a footiegame. God knows i´ve said many wrong things in the heat of the moment (not racist though but still) and I have sung songs not so likeable to say the least. In the heat of the moment is one thing then you regret it and apologise and dont tell me all at Anfield singing murderers are cnuts because they aren´t. They are at enemyland getting fecking wound up and respond to that pathetic load of shite but they dont really mean it. People died ffs and no United-fan applauds that but in a group, having a few pints, I have also sung sick songs. However if the cnut said it and dont call Paddy to say sorry then he can feck off
It's a different pronunciation of the same word.
No you're not sure of anything. You have no idea what Evra may be saying. Any scenario could be possible.
If Suarez said it 10 times he'll be caught and punished. If not, then Evra should be punished for false allegations? Claiming someone racially insulted you should be taken seriously.
If it can't be conclusively proved it doesn't necessarily mean it never happened does it?
I'm sorry but the heat of the moment only counts for so much. I see where you're coming from. I think we all say some choice words in the heat of the moment and end up regretting it. If Evra is in fact telling the truth about Suarez saying it at least ten times (whatever he said) then it kind of makes what you're saying a moot point. Ten times is quite excessive and seems more a direct attack/insult than more of the heat of the moment type occasion. At least the FA are looking into it but I don't have too much hope. If Mr. Suarez is found to be guilty does anyone have an idea of what the punishment would be?
I'm guessing a suspension and a fine.
Four match ban for Evra?
No, but with the amount of cameras around, surely they'd catch at least 1 of the insults out of 10? The match day camera even panned over the 2 of them arguing plenty of times
If you're racist you're racist, heat of the moment has feck all to do with it.
Then you should display a better understanding of the importance of context.
the point I made about Twain and the film, is I fully understand how things were in the past... and dont apply current morals to how things were in the past. I remember in that respect even Sir Matt being accused of being a racists by someone here or elsewhere.
Like someone pointed out here some just love throwing the word around...to at least provoke...
pete is an utter cnut btw
My point exactly. But somehow it's become as they say a more friendlier usage of the word. Hence, why so many black leaders want it out but like I've said before, a lot of people have lapped it up (including myself on some occasions) and it's now become socially acceptable to an extent to say it. Especially in America. In my high school, kids said it all the time. Just became the norm. Once that happens, it's hard to remove it.
I assumed that alreadyIs the prevalence of the word without any negative connotations not progress in a weird way?
Anyway, who cares..... this thread has turned to shit.
Evra isn't one to make things up, he was the captain on the day after all, quite a responsibility, and I wouldn't doubt he put this past Fergie first.
I'm willing to go ahead and call is classless by Suarez.
I'm willing to go ahead and call is classless by Suarez.
nah...good discussion.
and it will be bumped when the FA concludes Suarez denies saying any such thing
and it will be bumped when the FA concludes Suarez denies saying any such thing
Exactly.
Heat of the moment can justify some things, although they still show a lack of self-control. Racist slurs can't be justified by 'heat of the moment' in my opinion, and neither can singing about tragedies.
Going along with the crowd isn't an excuse either, there are some things that you know surpass having a bit of a joke, or a bit of rivalry, and if true, this would be one of them.
Don't paint all racists with the same brush though. Racists like Suarez are just distorting racism. Racism is about peace really.
Exactly. You either have something in your vocabulary or you don't.
Take the C word. I try not to use it, but in the heat of the moment I may do, and I admit this. Whereas in no circumstance would I use the N word in the Heat of the moment, it's just not there in my mind to use. Because I'm not a racist.
Don't quite see how your issues with religion are relevant to this thread, that post seemed a bit contrived to be honest.
Exactly, the other day in cricket training I got wound up and told someone to 'feck off', I regretted it afterwards because it was a bit of an overreaction to someone winding me up, but it's a fairly impersonal insult and could have been said to or by anyone in the same situation.
Going after something more personal, whether it's a racist slur, homophobic, anything else 'different', you have to be a bit of a twat to overcome that social barrier so quickly and pick on that thing the minute you feel a bit provoked. I do think if that's your immediate reaction, it does perhaps imply that that thought was bubbling quite close to the surface anyway.
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Saliph's just a bit of an attention whore.
Not really, I have nothing against, for example, bald people, but if I'm having a row with someone I might call him a baldy twat or whatever. It's about what will wind the person up more than anything else.
Eyepopper Boss and Agent Red: Do you NOT fecking believe that most of our travelling fans (who is fecking mint) dont regret singing murderers today??? If the fecking cnut said it on numerous occasions he should feck off though, I didn´t know that
If he gave you the impression that it's cool to do that here in England, it's not...
Calling someone a baldy twat in the heat of the moment shows nothing more than you are a bit shit at arguing.
Racially abusing someone shows that you at some level think their race is an issue that can be used in the negative, therefore implying some degree of racism.
In both cases the commonality is idiocy.
Erm, no. It's basically the same thing, except abusing bald people doesn't have the stigma associated with it that racism does.