Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

The poor FA, they're really stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't see how they can let Suarez off for something that would get you fired anywhere else in England. Calling a fellow employee, or an employee of another company a 'negro' or 'negrito', while on the clock.

From what I've read, you wouldn't get away with calling someone a 'negro' in line at the supermarket, so how can they let Suarez off? It threatens the FAs ability to self-regulate, they cannot have legitimacy while allowing footballers to break the law.

If Dalglish wasn't acting like such a cnut I would feel bad for Liverpool.
 
Floyd said:
I've yet to see a black man in the City of Liverpool. That's almost entirely true.

Manchester is a multicultural city, Liverpool is not.
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Liverpool's not as multicultural as Manchester, Brum or London, however it's home to one of the oldest Black and Chinese communties in the UK. I think Africans settled in Liverpool in the early 18th century - Pre Scouse Liverpool made a bit of cash on the back of West Africans.
 
Are we expecting a verdict today then? I kind of get the impression this committee would rather not announce the decision they have arrived at. They should just bite the bullet and get it over with.
 
Luis Suarez; this is your day of judgement. Bandage those wrists in preparation for a jolly good slap and don't ever let us ever have any more of this nonsense

:nono:
 
Yeah great article by Vickery, as well as a great article by the telegraph yesterday.

Such a hard decision to make tbh. I expect around a four game ban.
 
el eric said:
Dont see a problem with that article. Fairly balanced from someone based in South America I would have thought. Tim Vickery is a one of the best Journos going for my money.
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The main thing I find wrong with the "context" argument is displayed in Vickery's article. His failure to mention Suarez's years in Holland in which he surely would have grasped the extreme negative connotations around the word "Negro". We're not talking about some kid fresh off the boat from Uruguay here!
 
Denis' cuff said:
Luis Suarez; this is your day of judgement. Bandage those wrists in preparation for a jolly good slap and don't ever let us ever have any more of this nonsense

:nono:
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What does this even mean? Do you not believe the trial will be fair?

Do you think the FA really want to sweep this case under the carpet?

If the panel believe there is enough evidence that Suarez was racist he will be guilty and punished appropriately.

If not and they put it down to cultural / language differences we have to accept it.
 
Randall Flagg said:
What does this even mean? Do you not believe the trial will be fair?

Do you think the FA really want to sweep this case under the carpet?

If there is enough evidence he will be guilty and punished appropriately.

If not and they put it down to cultural / language differences we have to accept it.
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Yes.

This will result with a slap on the wrist, followed by heaps of praise on Suarez for strength of character etc, condemnation of Evra for whatever reasons they conjure up and a big feck you in our faces.

Justice the FA way.
 
Zen86 said:
Yes.

This will result with a slap on the wrist, followed by heaps of praise on Suarez for strength of character etc, condemnation of Evra for whatever reasons they conjure up and a big feck you in our faces.

Justice the FA way.
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Why do you think the would favour Liverpool over us in this case? I am serious here. Just an anti Utd thing?

Arent most of us laughing at Liverpool fans for saying the exact opposite?
 
If Suarez is found guilty and banned, I assume Liverpool would appeal.

In this case, would he still be banned until the appeal or not?
 
If he is found guilty, I suspect they wouldn't ban him straight away and give a set date for when the suspension begins. Should be time enough for Liverpool to appeal then.
 
Either way you look at it, it will be hugely damning against either Evra or Suarez.

Suarez should, in my opinion, be banged to rights over it. It would be a huge injustice if he was to walk away with a ticking off.

The implications of this case is likely to set a significant precedent, and that is why it is taking so long in my opinion. The conclusions drawn and action taken will surely be followed in dealing with the Terry/Ferdinand case.

I would be very surprised to see anything less than a six game ban and fine for the player. No idea if there is any precedent in the area, but when you can get 3 match bans for a straight red, I wouldn't be surprised to see a much longer ban.

The FA must be seen as leading the fight against racism, and to brush it aside would be scandalous, it would echo across European football. They can hardly get all high and mighty on the whole spanish racism situation when they refuse to act on their own turf.

The ramifications of these two cases will have a ripple effect for future disciplinary hearings of this vein for a long time to come.
 
Not sure why it should be damning on Evra (but it will because of the way sections have spun it) since Suarez would only be let off due to context. Evra still took offence, it's not his fault that that word is considered non-offensive in Uruguay.
 
Heardy said:
Either way you look at it, it will be hugely damning against either Evra or Suarez.

Suarez should, in my opinion, be banged to rights over it. It would be a huge injustice if he was to walk away with a ticking off.

The implications of this case is likely to set a significant precedent, and that is why it is taking so long in my opinion. The conclusions drawn and action taken will surely be followed in dealing with the Terry/Ferdinand case.

I would be very surprised to see anything less than a six game ban and fine for the player. No idea if there is any precedent in the area, but when you can get 3 match bans for a straight red, I wouldn't be surprised to see a much longer ban.

The FA must be seen as leading the fight against racism, and to brush it aside would be scandalous, it would echo across European football. They can hardly get all high and mighty on the whole spanish racism situation when they refuse to act on their own turf.

The ramifications of these two cases will have a ripple effect for future disciplinary hearings of this vein for a long time to come.
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FlawlessThaw said:
Not sure why it should be damning on Evra (but it will because of the way sections have spun it) since Suarez would only be let off due to context. Evra still took offence, it's not his fault that that word is considered non-offensive in Uruguay.
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Yeah, I can't see how this would be damning for Evra when the worst he can be accused of is not understanding (or being willing to accept) Uruguayan cultural or linguistic norms.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Not sure why it should be damning on Evra (but it will because of the way sections have spun it) since Suarez would only be let off due to context. Evra still took offence, it's not his fault that that word is considered non-offensive in Uruguay.
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That was my point re Evra.

These things are often proved "beyond reasonable doubt" but there will be certain people that will back Suarez irregardless.

People will disagree with the outcome either way, and that will have an impact on Evra whichever way you look at it.

He will feel a massive sense of injustice if Suarez gets off, but will be vindicated by Liverpool (not that he isn't already) and facets of media etc that will label him the "boy who cried wolf."

This sort of publicity is neither good for the alleged or the victim. You only have to look at the people criticising Evra's "history" and things to see that it's bad for him as an individual.

Contrived example, but is this not similar to why many rape victims fail to report an incident, i.e. lack of evidence, "his word against mine," third parties judging the personality and history of the victim and their name being dragged through the mud?
 
el eric said:
Dont see a problem with that article. Fairly balanced from someone based in South America I would have thought. Tim Vickery is a one of the best Journos going for my money.
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But how to know when this word ceases to be descriptive and becomes pejorative? And for the FA disciplinary committee, how to avoid kicking the case around like a political football?

Suarez has provided them with a problem - but also with an opportunity.

Context is crucial, not just in what Suarez may have done, but also in how it is judged.

"When moral panic is whipped up, coherence tends to fly out of the window." "

By Tim Vickery
South American football expert
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You don't deserve enemy's when you have friends like good old Tim. Once again we see a "football expert" who mix up his emotions and football knowledge with common sense. As long as your intentions is good then you can say almost whatever you want, is Vickery's main message. "Context is crucial" is another wise line from him. Well there is a problem with this sort of assumptions. Nobody except Suarez knows his true intentions when he said the word negro/negrito. Off course context is crucial but then again why didn't Suarez, Dalglish or Liverpool then offered Evra and apologize. As pointed out by Suarez defenders his intention wasn't bad so then again, one easy "I'm sorry but my intention wasn't to be abusive or racial", then this story is history. Context is everything dear Tim Vickery.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Why do you think the would favour Liverpool over us in this case? I am serious here. Just an anti Utd thing?

Arent most of us laughing at Liverpool fans for saying the exact opposite?
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Well, I think this would be a lot bigger deal had it been a United player abusing a Liverpool player.

As for punishment, do you really think Suarez is going to be dealt with in the same way any other employee or individual would be had he been found guilty of racism?

And don't give me that culture shite.
 
The defenders of Suarez keep bringing up this idea of "context" - whereby in his country its ok for Suarez to say these things - BUT HES NOT IN HIS COUNTRY. He is in the UK and the last time I checked UK law and standards apply. So if an American drives down the wrong side of the road and causes an accident they should be let off as in their country they drive on the right.
 
Randall Flagg said:
What does this even mean? Do you not believe the trial will be fair?

Do you think the FA really want to sweep this case under the carpet?

If the panel believe there is enough evidence that Suarez was racist he will be guilty and punished appropriately.

If not and they put it down to cultural / language differences we have to accept it.
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What would that punishment be?
 
Speaking to my deluded scouse mate yesterday & he was making the same 'cultural differences' excuse Suarez is relying on which is bullshit seeing as Suarez has played in Europe for 4 years and all the anti-racism campaigns run by FIFA should give him a good idea that saying what he said is unacceptable.

The FA have to punish him otherwise it could open a can of worms. If Suarez gets away with it based on the excuse it's normal in Uruguay, what's stopping other foreign players from doing outrageous things themselves and then relying on the Suarez precedent that 'it's ok in my country and I didn't know any better'.
 
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