Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

Not to lose completely perspective here - if what Suarez has said was "negrito" - 5-6 matches is more than enough. There are hundreds of racist remarks you can say that are worse than that - and if someone in the heat of the moment let's slip "fu...ni..." should they be banned for life ?

It's racist - but you can't make up punishments that are 10 times worse than for deliberately elbowing someone in the head, threatening their lives
 
Not to lose completely perspective here - if what Suarez has said was "negrito" - 5-6 matches is more than enough. There are hundreds of racist remarks you can say that are worse than that - and if someone in the heat of the moment let's slip "fu...ni..." should they be banned for life ?

It's racist - but you can't make up punishments that are 10 times worse than for deliberately elbowing someone in the head, threatening their lives

So it was only a little bit racist? That's not too bad is it? Evra should have shaken his hand and got on with it really shouldn't he?
 
LFC should be warned about their future conduct imo after their stance on racism and repeatedly calling for Evra to be punished
 
To a certain degree, yes.

Neither of the players have covered themselves in glory in this case, by the looks of things.

What are you talking about man? To no degree should Patrice Evra have shaken Luis Suarez's hand. Black people have had to take that shit for decades in football and for centuries in real life. feck off should be have shaken his hand. H e did exactly the right thing in reporting it as all footballers have been asked to do by the FA.
 
To a certain degree, yes.

Neither of the players have covered themselves in glory in this case, by the looks of things.

I think Evra and our club have acted impeccably.

Evra made the claims known to Ferguson, who said he advised Evra to think about it and only pursue it if he was sure. Evra then decided to pursue it and made his claims public. He hasn't said a thing since and neither has our club.

If Evra has come out of this bad in your eyes for making it clear he is upset about what he believes Suarez to have said to him, I think that reflects more on you than Evra himself.
 
I'm inclined to think that the Independent Commission has delivered its verdict to the FA, and that it is the FA that is holding up the process.

I think they'll have one eye on setting a precedent given that they'll likely have to review the Terry incident (which should really see him stripped of the England captaincy, and banned from representing his country in the future if found guilty).

But the FA being the FA will also look at reducing collateral damage in terms of the Premier League's reputation in World football. They need to be seen to act appropriately, but will look at diverting attention in someway so as to prevent any further fuss in the future. They'll want to move on quickly which makes me think that there decision will be final without the opportunity for Suarez or Liverpool to appeal.

I may be way off, but that's just my thoughts.

I'm sure we can rely on the FA to do the right thing, they get most things right after all...:wenger:
 
Eh... what did Evra do wrong ?

Didn't he talk to the media and say something along the lines of "you can see him call me a certain word on TV at least 10 times?" That's proven to be pretty wrong.

For clarification purposes, If Suarez is not found guilty, I do not think Evra should be punished in anyway, shape or form.
 
Dunno how Evra kept his cool if Suarez did call him that 10 times. I'm surprised Evra didn't floor him or do a Zidane.
 
I think Evra and our club have acted impeccably.

Evra made the claims known to Ferguson, who said he advised Evra to think about it and only pursue it if he was sure. Evra then decided to pursue it and made his claims public. He hasn't said a thing since and neither has our club.

If Evra has come out of this bad in your eyes for making it clear he is upset about what he believes Suarez to have said to him, I think that reflects more on you than Evra himself.

I agree that in the aftermath of the game, both Evra and the club have behaved in the right way. But on the pitch, by the sound of it, Evra didn't exactly cover himself in glory. IF the allrgded stories are correct.
 
What is their 'stance on racism'?

Their stance has been to put the interests of their player first (whether guilty or not guilty) and disregard the effect their actions have had on the wider issue of racism in the game.

They have deliberately and systematically attempted to put the focus of attention back on the victim and the various people who are affiliated to the club who have commentated on the matter, have consistently tried to undermine the seriousness of the act itself in pursuit of an easier outcome for Suarez. This approach influences certain elements of fan and football culture by normalising racist behaviour. In short, it's irresponsible behaviour.
 
Didn't he talk to the media and say something along the lines of "you can see him call me a certain word on TV at least 10 times?" That's proven to be pretty wrong.

Is it? Have we seen all of the camera angles?

I''d love the full transcript of that interview too, my guess is something may be lost in translation.
 
Didn't he talk to the media and say something along the lines of "you can see him call me a certain word on TV at least 10 times?" That's proven to be pretty wrong.

For clarification purposes, If Suarez is not found guilty, I do not think Evra should be punished in anyway, shape or form.

wrong perhaps in the sense he did not follow the process. But to put that on par with what Suarez did is ridiculous.
 
Didn't he talk to the media and say something along the lines of "you can see him call me a certain word on TV at least 10 times?" [b That's proven to be pretty wrong.

For clarification purposes, If Suarez is not found guilty, I do not think Evra should be punished in anyway, shape or form.

Has it?

Even if there is only one incident caught on tape (which may or may not be on case) that wouldn't prove Evra wrong in the slightest.
 
Dunno how Evra kept his cool if Suarez did call him that 10 times. I'm surprised Evra didn't floor him or do a Zidane.

He's a grown man, a professional and put his team ahead of what he might have had an inclination to do. What Zidane did was ridiculously selfish.
 
I agree that in the aftermath of the game, both Evra and the club have behaved in the right way. But on the pitch, by the sound of it, Evra didn't exactly cover himself in glory. IF the allrgded stories are correct.

What do you think he did that was so wrong? He was pretty irate, in a heated game, allegedly on the receiving end of racist comments. He was wound up and he told the Ref about these comments.
 
To a certain degree, yes.

Neither of the players have covered themselves in glory in this case, by the looks of things.

Evra correctly reported what Suarez did. To Evra's credit he did not react as Suarez hoped and get himself sent off.

If we are serious about acting aginst racism in sport, no matter how hard it is to prove these things, it needs to be reported.

if the FA acts correctly and punished the offender, it will be a good start.

btw I am not bothered about the length of the ban.
 
Twitter journos are saying they think there'll be a decision tonight.
 
Sorry if already posted. Interesting thoughts from the Beeb's Tim Vickery, who has lived in S America for a long time.

English football can be proud of its anti-racism work but it should be remembered that what has happened in our country is a domestic dynamic. Mass immigration starting in the 1950s brought in hundreds of thousands of newcomers with full political rights - and so the discrimination they suffered could only be put down to racism.

Football made this sickeningly obvious. The Caribbean descendants who started to make an impact on the pitch from the late 1960s had to put up with all kinds of abuse. Over time a consensus formed around the belief that racist behaviour was unacceptable.

This dynamic does not necessarily apply elsewhere. In South America the legacy of centuries of slavery can make attitudes towards race more entrenched - but also more subtle. Elsewhere, to the east of Europe, for example, there has been very little exposure to the kind of multi-cultural existence that has become the norm in Britain.

This in no way invalidates the anti-racist position of English football. But it does mean that if the debate is to be won - and that surely must be the objective - then there are dangers in the moralistic holier-than-thou approach that the English can be prone to take.

This issue provides a real opportunity for English football to do some good - and also for the Football Association to improve its global profile. Much depends on how it is handled.

There is little to be gained in hectoring other nations and individuals with a moral high ground position of, "We're not racist, you are". Instead, there might be room for a position of leadership with a huge dose of humility.

"This is the problem of racism that we faced in our game," could be the line to football authorities around the world. "This is what we decided to do about it and, although we are nowhere near perfect, we feel we have made a lot of progress. Some of this may be useful to you".

My hope is that any punishment administered to Luis Suarez is guided by this spirit.

More here
 
Oliver Kay @OliverKayTimes 3m
My understanding too RT @Matt_Lawton_DM: It's getting late but feeling is we're going to get a verdict on Suarez tonight

Seems more like he's trying to keep people interested and listening to his tweets.

If they've heard nothing from anyone all day and it's half 6 now..... why would there be a "feeling" that they are going to hear something now? It'll be tomorrow, these FA types aren't going to work past a normal days work :)
 
Seems more like he's trying to keep people interested and listening to his tweets.

If they've heard nothing from anyone all day and it's half 6 now..... why would there be a "feeling" that they are going to hear something now? It'll be tomorrow, these FA types aren't going to work past a normal days work :)

Wouldn't he be just as well served in that respect by saying it's expected tomorrow?

Clearly they've had word it's worth their waiting around till tonight for the verdict.
 
What do you think he did that was so wrong? He was pretty irate, in a heated game, allegedly on the receiving end of racist comments. He was wound up and he told the Ref about these comments.

The "You South American" and "booked me because I am black" claims. Even if they are not accurate, I will be surprised if Suarez was the only one to use his gob. Takes two to tango.
 
Twitter reckons the verdict will be publicised in 2 hours time. Still, Twitter also reckoned that Nelson Mandela & Mrs Thatcher died earlier this year, which was news to those two people...
 
So it was only a little bit racist? That's not too bad is it? Evra should have shaken his hand and got on with it really shouldn't he?

To a certain degree, yes.

Neither of the players have covered themselves in glory in this case, by the looks of things.

The "You South American" and "booked me because I am black" claims. Even if they are not accurate, I will be surprised if Suarez was the only one to use his gob. Takes two to tango.

What are you talking about man? To no degree should Patrice Evra have shaken Luis Suarez's hand. Black people have had to take that shit for decades in football and for centuries in real life. feck off should be have shaken his hand. H e did exactly the right thing in reporting it as all footballers have been asked to do by the FA.

Racism ugly brown face is never far away when incidents like this happens. The good thing is that many posters, from all different clubs including our own, show their true nature by expressing their opinions in important subjects. Nothing personal against you Cnut but you should sometimes be careful with your strange thoughts when you express your lame opinion in a matter you clearly don't fully understand.

Crumpsall Red's post gave you a straight punch back. And he was mild in his opinion.
 
Hopefully, this will be over sooner rather than later. I just hope that whatever the verdict, a close to the saga can help Evra focus on his football.
 
Racisms ugly brown face is never far away when incidents like this happens. The good thing is that many posters, from all different clubs including our own, show their true nature by expressing their opinions in important subjects. Nothing personal against you Cnut but you should sometimes be careful with your strange thoughts when you express your lame opinion in a matter you clearly don't fully understand.

Crumpsall Red's post gave you a straight punch back. And he was mild in his opinion.
:nervous: :lol:
 
Racism ugly brown face is never far away when incidents like this happens. The good thing is that many posters, from all different clubs including our own, show their true nature by expressing their opinions in important subjects. Nothing personal against you Cnut but you should sometimes be careful with your strange thoughts when you express your lame opinion in a matter you clearly don't fully understand.

Crumpsall Red's post gave you a straight punch back. And he was mild in his opinion.

What don't I fully understand?
 
I just found the expression "ugly brown face" funny in a debate about racism and anti-racism.

Maybe you are right. Thanks. My Svengelska could have mixed my intensions and made my post a little bit funny. My bad.