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Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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Not to Maggie, her mind's been dead for years.
uh oh 3 match ban for you
It should take as long as it needs to take. There shouldn't be a time limit on such an important decision.
Reads like a load of piffle to defend a player he's obviously a bit of a fan of.
Er, what?
The closing section is even more obtuse.
Yeah the Vickery comments are not the best particularly as he pleads context but fails absolutely to mention that Suarez has been living in North Europe for a few years and is no stranger the what is and is not accepted here.
Good job rape's not legal in Uruguay.
I just can't understand many Liverpool fans reaction to this case. I'm no saint, but if it were, say, Hernandez (a player I love, for his play & his attitude) under suspicion of racism, I'm damned sure I wouldn't be siding with him just because he's an important player for my team. I just cannot understand those fans' thinking.
He also seems to be demanding that the FA try to take into account the subtle cultural differences between racism here and in South America, whilst ignoring the fact the incident didn't happen in South America and whatever differences their might be, the onus is on Suarez to adapt to them, not the other way round.
The "context" and "cultural difference" defence reminds me of this for some reason...
I think it's worth reading simply as it highlights the difference between our society and the background Suarez comes from.
He's not excusing the fact that the dynamic is different elsewhere, just pointing out that it is. Don't see the need to be so dismissive of it really.
The FA have already done that - they hired experts with specialist knowledge weeks ago. I'd want them to do the same if it was a United players future at stake, with the consequences Suarez potentially faces here.
But the point is that it's completely irrelevant to the case.
It might explain why he said it and spare him some character assassination if people want to be lenient with him, but with regards to the case he's supposed to abide by the laws of the country he moves to, not apply the laws of his home country to his new country of residence. That means that whatever the intention he used abusive language, including a reference to the ethnicity and/or race of Evra, which is exactly what he's been charged with.
If I come from a country that applies Sharia Law and someone robs the little corner shop that I own, I can't go and cut his hand off because that's what happens to robbers in my country, nor should it give me any leniency in a court of law.
My brother is a dipper and he is saying that a reliable source on their side says Suarez has been hit with a hefty ban and a fine.
The ban is suspended until the New Year when he lodges his appeal.
The ban is suspended until the New Year when he lodges his appeal.
That's the whole point though - it appears 'abusive' when translated but as countless people with actual experience testify, the actual intent in it's original language wasn't necessarily so.
It's natural that fans will want to protect their own player and defend him, especially when he's a very good one at that, but with some Liverpool fans, you get the idea that if he admitted to the crime and accepted the charge, some Liverpool fans would still resort to defending him.
...So football isnt the only subject you're absolutely clueless on then.
"Hefty" equating to....
But, as I said, the intention is irrelevant to the case. He's being charged with using abusive language, and in this country (where these laws apply) it's not allowed to say that. He should know that, and the responsibility is on him for not knowing that. Either way, he's guilty and the context issue shouldn't give him a reduced punishment IMO.
Having sex with animals isn't illegal in Sweden, but I wouldn't expect to get a more lenient punishment if I went to another country, where it is illegal, and banged a sheep or something, and said "in my country it's not illegal so I didn't know that it wasn't legal everywhere!"
Any idea what time we'll hear from the FA?
Christmas Day, i heard the verdict is now part of the Queens Speech.
I'm sure the United lawyers wouldn't accept anything less either. Doesn't make the defence any more valid, mind you. Not when Suarez has spent most of his adult life living in Northern Europe and racially abused another footballer during a game in England.
I'm not sure what purpose it serves to come up with these very extreme comparisons...
If it's proven that he said it, but the experts the FA consult say that it was most likely said without any negative intent, do you think it fair that he's still found guilty of racism and faces all the likely consequences thereafter?
How is it not a 'valid defence' if expert opinion is that it is not intended as a racial slur before translation?
Because even "expert opinion" can't read someone's mind and ignorance is no excuse. IF Suarez has been living in Europe for 6 years and somehow hasn't realised that using his skin colour as an abbreviate means of addressing a black man during an argument is unacceptable then he's a fecking idiot. I think it's much more likely he knew exactly what he was doing. It's fairly obvious he was trying to wind Evra up just watching the game, even without a transcript.
Negative intent or not, the player should know better and abide by the rules of the country he resides in. I don't think it came as a shock to him that calling someone a negro in England, let alone during a heated exchange, wasn't allowed. Therefore, he's guilty of doing what he's been charged with (racial abuse), and that should be the end of it.
As pointed out many many times, it's not like he is fresh off the boat from Uruguay. If that was the case I would reluctantly (because you should still have some sort of an understanding of the customs of the country you now reside in) accept Suarez had a defence. But he was living in Amsterdam, a multi cultural city in its own right.
I think it's often very obvious that he's been a WUM on the pitch before in many situations. This may have just been the occasion though where he happened to say something incredibly stupid and slipped up.
It's not about ignorance though - it's about what he intended, and whether it's possible to translate that in a fair way.
I lived in a country for 10 years where I heard a related word used often and the use of it not only explained in an entirely palatable way but also defended vigorously.
It seems with your use of inverted commas around 'expert opinion' that you don't attach much importance to it - I do, and think it important that he's treated as innocent until proven guilty, and that such opinion is also taken into account. Given the consequences he faces if found guilty, I'd hate to see those inflicted on anyone not fully deserving of them.
I don't think he was stupid or that he slipped up. I also don't think he is a racist either or at least someone you would classify as hating black people.
You're right in my view that he is a WUM on the pitch and he said something to Evra to rile him up and get himself off. Obviously that didn't work and he's tried to cover himself up since.
Think you're completely wrong about this. Of course fans of a team are going to line up behind their player, certainly moreso than fans as a whole. I'm not equating the incidents, but you just have to look at "What? fecking What?"-Gate to see that we're not different.
When is the appeal deadline? Surely it's after Jan 4th...8 matches? More than I thought it would be. Wonder when it comes into force?
Well that's that then. Two games more than I thought he would get, suspect it will come into play in January - may even miss the Carling Cup games against City.
Has RAWK exploded yet?
Well done FA, no room for racism in the game and his excuse was pathetic.
Also credit to Evra & Utd for not commenting on the situation unlike the scouse cnuts.
Also credit to Evra & Utd for not commenting on the situation unlike the scouse cnuts.