Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

moses said:
I don't think anyone is absolving him by saying Liverpool have contributed to creating an atmosphere where this feckwit felt it was ok to voice his bile.
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Well I think that's a fair comment, but I think the guy was probably already racist if he think's that it's acceptable to shout racial abuse. It's hard to say Liverpool aren't directly responsible because they too have acted stupid, but people can think for themselves, despite what their club does - and if some people can't - you can't blame Liverpool (even though they acted stupid themselves).

If this guy thinks that the atmosphere has changed where it's okay for him to say these things, then to be honest he is wrong - not Liverpool.
 
moses said:
There was a tale on BBC radio weeks back about a reserve player in a league 1 side who had been racially abused and chose not to report it as it would mark him as a trouble maker. That story has been in my head throughout this whole thing.
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And it's obviously a very difficult thing to prove, we've seen how long it took to reach a verdict on the Evra/Suarez case. With less camera angles and exposure in the lower leagues it's easier for the accused to just simply say they're lying and get away with it. Which makes the player accusing look bad.
 
Mick1991 said:
I was talking to a Liverpool supporting mate about ten minutes ago. Same bloke has been spouting all sorts of rubbish throughout this saga......straight away he pipes up that the fan/fans in question should be banned for life.

He still doesn't see where he has gone wrong here. Willfully ignorant, springs to mind.
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Aye, it's easier to condemn a supporter than their best player.
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
Well I think that's a fair comment, but I think the guy was probably already racist if he think's that it's acceptable to shout racial abuse. It's hard to say Liverpool aren't directly responsible because they too have acted stupid, but people can think for themselves, despite what their club does - and if some people can't - you can't blame Liverpool (even though they acted stupid themselves).

If this guy thinks that the atmosphere has changed where it's okay for him to say these things, then to be honest he is wrong - not Liverpool.
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Not the atmosphere in the world, but in terms of 'supporting' LFC. I have a mate who sees no difference in this to the other lies that clubs spout, as in 'injured for two months' and is back in two weeks, or 'it was never a penalty'. And this is a bloke who called for the FA to give Suarez a years ban. But he thinks LFC are obliged to stand by their player.
 
The story may get a lot more publicity due to Liverpool's behaviour, but I don't think it's fair to say Liverpool caused this to happen, we simply don't know that and shouldn't make that assumption.
 
SteveJ said:
By saying nothing about abuse offline & on social media, LFC have effectively given their fans licence to act how they want - this is either because the club is badly led, or because their attitudes are every bit as outdated as they've appeared to be in recent weeks.
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That's it in a nutshell.
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
The story may get a lot more publicity due to Liverpool's behaviour, but I don't think it's fair to say Liverpool caused this to happen, we simply don't know that and shouldn't make that assumption.
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I don't think anyone is saying that though, just that their actions may have contributed and while it didn't seem possible now look even more unwise.
 
SteveJ said:
By saying nothing about abuse offline & on social media, LFC have effectively given their fans licence to act how they want - this is either because the club is badly led, or because their attitudes are every bit as outdated as they've appeared to be in recent weeks.
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I have to say that is overstating it in my opinion.
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
The story may get a lot more publicity due to Liverpool's behaviour, but I don't think it's fair to say Liverpool caused this to happen, we simply don't know that and shouldn't make that assumption.
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Was is reasonable to foresee that their actions could foster an attitude that racist abuse is ok within football? The fact that plenty of people commented on it as a key reason why they should apologise etc suggests that yes it was foreseeable. They have therefore acted very irresponsibly, and it's no great shock to see this kind of thing follow it.
 
For all we know this guy has been shouting racial abuse for the last 10 years though, I think it's pretty unlikely he was a respectable professional pre-Suarez-gate.

I can certainly see the logic in your arguments, but it's too early to make the assumption that Liverpool's actions swayed him in any way shape or form to start racially abusing people.
 
moses said:
I have to say that is overstating it in my opinion.
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Yeah, you're probably right, mate. I'm just surprised that they didn't try to gain a little of the moral high-ground by condemning such abuse. I wouldn't like to think that they don't actually care about it...
 
Vidic_In_Moscow said:
For all we know this guy has been shouting racial abuse for the last 10 years though, I think it's pretty unlikely he was a respectable professional pre-Suarez-gate.

I can certainly see the logic in your arguments, but it's too early to make the assumption that Liverpool's actions swayed him in any way shape or form to start racially abusing people.
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Well if he has then it's the first time it's been reported, so maybe their actions have motivated the complaint? Your post implies pure coincidence, which I don't agree with at all. I'm saying it's LFC's fault either, the truth, as ever, is in the middle.
 
I've seen lots of reasonable, intelligent people turn full retard over this. People who I consider close friends have tested my patience to the max.
 
Oldham manager Paul Dickov revealed he had not spoken to the player about the incident, but accepted something had upset him.

"From my point of view I have not spoken to Tom about it but I know the kid and something has been said," said Dickov.

"He is a placid boy, a kid who has been well-educated with a fantastic temperament and has been with us since the end of August and I've never seen him raise his voice.

"For him to react like that it is obvious something has been said but what has been said I don't know because I've not had a chance to ask
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BBC Sport - Liverpool investigate abuse aimed at Tom Adeyemi
 
Kraftwerker said:
The Kop's reply after seeing what appeared to be a clear racist incident involving an opposition player? Sing the Suarez song and boo the player.

He's become the poster boy for racism.
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As loathe as I am to defend scousers, there's no way that people in the stand would have any idea what some cock on the first row was shouting.
 
moses said:
Well if he has then it's the first time it's been reported, so maybe their actions have motivated the complaint? Your post implies pure coincidence, which I don't agree with at all. I'm saying it's LFC's fault either, the truth, as ever, is in the middle.
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You're right. I just don't think Liverpool - no matter how stupid they have been, have created an atmosphere where anyone could think it's okay to racially abuse someone. Although their actions seem to have swayed a lot of their fans' moral compass, so who am I to say otherwise.
 
peterstorey said:
You reckon that if Liverpool had suspended Suarez and said we don't condone this behaviour that the fans would have acted as they did? Stroll on.
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We're talking about one fan hurling racist abuse. We aren't talking about all the fans with Suarez t-shirts, who may be seen as immoral, but they're not breaking the law.
 
ReubenHazell ReubenHazell
Just came out of the Oldham dressing room @Anfield & its bn confirmed 2 me by Adeyemi that a member of the Kop racially abused him! #Awful

This from an ex-Oldham captain on twitter.
 
They make me fecking sick. This would've got a completely different reaction from everyone if he'd not have done it (and I'm assuming whoever has supposedly said whatever has actually said it) right now. But because of the abysmal timing, it looks completely reactionary to the Suarez thing. It's as if they're actually turning against black people because of Evra and Suarez.

There'll be a campaign to sell Johnson now no doubt.
 
ReubenHazell ReubenHazell
RT @smaamath: @ReubenHazell Can you actually tell us what he claims the abuse was?» He was called a black b******! #Fact
 
Twatter speculation going around that the offender called him a "fecking Manc bastard" which the player misheard as "fecking black bastard"
 
Posts from four Liverpool fans who were at the match:

Was in Upper Cen in the corner of Cen stand and Kop and could see three lads with white suarez t'shirts on and them daft red and white W*nker Hats on, they were being knobheads all game even from the start. Didn't see what happened just the player going off his head. Then a few minutes later my little lad said to me the police man has just took them men and when I looked there was three empty seats were the jester hat wearers was sitting.
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Nobody had a clue what was going on. The lad was complaining about something, and then the game was getting delayed, the fans weren't booing him in the knowledge he'd just been racially abused.
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In the kop we were all singing luis suarez song, loudly, the games won, we're happy, can enjoy the last few minutes. Look down and see the oldham player walking away from kop whinning about something, at first i thought he was injured or unwell, couldnt understand what the problem was, then kuyt comes over to him, then the ref, and an oldham player, and stevie g, and he's still pointing and waving his arms about. The whistles start cos we want to get on with the game. Then he starts pointing at the kop and nobody around me knows whats gone on. I presume a coin or something lobbed his way. Ref starts game and this fella nearly chops john flanagan in half - then he gets booed every touch.
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Was up in 305 so didn't see too much of the crowd incident - we were singing the Suarez song when the Oldham player seemed to have a dispute with some lads on the Kop - he was pointing and shouting and they were shouting back. He went to the ref and it took ages for the game to continue. I couldn't make out what happened, thought he might've been hit by something or didn't like the song. The crowd gave him shit for picking a fight with someone in the Kop.
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Oldham fans' points of view:

Disgrace? - OWTB Forums
 
Wayne_Rooney said:
The tool has himself in his picture as well. What a complete idiot.
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Been reported to police by Collymore who saved the tweets and has evidence. The dude deleted his twitter but too late. Had his picture. If thats really him, hes screwed.
Hes trending worldwide as well :lol: His mobile phone and uni email address have been retweeted as well. Ouch. Idiot gonna get his.
 
Sylar said:
Been reported to police by Collymore who saved the tweets and has evidence. The dude deleted his twitter but too late. Had his picture. If thats really him, hes screwed.
Hes trending worldwide as well :lol: His mobile phone and uni email address have been retweeted as well. Ouch. Idiot gonna get his.
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Could it be that the account is a fake?

I'm finding it hard to believe that anyone could be that stupid.
 
Sylar said:
Been reported to police by Collymore who saved the tweets and has evidence. The dude deleted his twitter but too late. Had his picture. If thats really him, hes screwed.
Hes trending worldwide as well :lol: His mobile phone and uni email address have been retweeted as well. Ouch. Idiot gonna get his.
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One step in the right direction I hope.
 
rednev said:
Could it be that the account is a fake?

I'm finding it hard to believe that anyone could be that stupid.
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Then where have you been these past couple of years? People have abused the power of cyberspace. This is another example of that. The fact the guy deleted his tweets as well as his twitter profile says something already.
 
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