After reading this thread the last few weeks I honestly don’t know whether the people laughing at my post saying that didn’t happen agree with me or think that it did happen!![]()
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Just reading through forums it looks like something similar happened to Hamilton in Spain 2012 when he couldn’t make it back to the pits after qualifying and was moved to the back of the grid, but that rule for qualifying and I think practice was brought in because of Hamilton in 2010 at the Canadian Gp he stopped after qualifying or practice but there was no rule in place so was good.Something similar happened to Jarno Trulli. Not sure though.
Refuelling was stopped in 2009 , the minimum fuel rule was brought in 2010 I think.Just reading through forums it looks like something similar happened to Hamilton in Spain 2012 when he couldn’t make it back to the pits after qualifying and was moved to the back of the grid, but that rule for qualifying and I think practice was brought in because of Hamilton in 2010 at the Canadian Gp he stopped after qualifying or practice but there was no rule in place so was good.
I think there had to be a certain level of fuel since 95 or 96, when they wanted the fuel to be unleaded and less shit in it, so more like normal petrol, but yeah they could always take there samples from the rig back then and 10 was when it became no refills, it looks like they changed that rule for the race or never enacted it for races of having to get it back to the pitsRefuelling was stopped in 2009 , the minimum fuel rule was brought in 2010 I think.
Lewis was DQ from the Spanish race in 2012 had to start from the back of the grid after getting Pole.
Hamilton was instructed to stop his car en route to the pit lane because of a lack of fuel to provide a sample of because the refuelling mechanic mistakenly turned a switch to drain Hamilton's car of fuel rather than add some in. The FIA technical delegate reported Hamilton to the stewards for the irregularity. McLaren technical director Sam Michael argued to the stewards force majeure caused Hamilton to stop on the track but they rejected the argument and deemed the team to have broken the technical regulations on refuelling.
Finished 8th in the race.
Yeah. Just Max's car was 1,5 million at Silverstone. Yesterday Max's bodywork was completely fecked and Perez's car is probably even more damaged considering he said his engine was damaged in the crash which would mean a grid penalty in his next race too. Bottas has caused several millions worth of damage.A merc took max out the mclaren was just the proxy, bottas is brutal at his worst, but brilliant at his best today he fecked it up
I actually didn’t realise it was in place, no wonder Horner is losing his marbles over it.
Yeah. Just Max's car was 1,5 million at Silverstone. Yesterday Max's bodywork was completely fecked and Perez's car is probably even more damaged considering he said his engine was damaged in the crash which would mean a grid penalty in his next race too. Bottas has caused several millions worth of damage.
I don't believe for a second they don't budget for these things because that would just make no sense at all. However, no team is going to foresee and thus budget for the damage Red Bull for example have had in the last two races, and when it isn't your fault but it does impact the development of your car (whether it is for the current season or the next) it does feel like a double hit to me.I think the potential penalty to Perez in future is the one I take issue with most. That does seem like a double hit.
As for the damage, whilst I have sympathy with the view I can also understand why regardless of cause you don’t adjust cap. Firstly because it opens up a grey area on cause and responsibility. But most importantly, I feel teams should budget for these things. Just as all of budget or set aside a portion of our money for unexpected costs, it’s something these teams should be doing too. I’ve sympathy given the cost is incurred at no fault of their own, but it’s racing - it happens. And I don’t hear anyone here talking about the costs the other teams also faced, or any other team outside of RB going on about it - it wasn’t just Max’s and Sergio’s cars damaged today for example.
So you mean teams are not budgeting well enough? Over the course of a season how many crashes will the average team have?I don't believe for a second they don't budget for these things because that would just make no sense at all. However, no team is going to foresee and thus budget for the damage Red Bull for example have had in the last two races, and when it isn't your fault but it does impact the development of your car (whether it is for the current season or the next) it does feel like a double hit to me.
100kg starts the race, they know how much fuel that is meant to be using, it finishes with less fuel then it breaks the rules.
OK it maybe be archaic but its what they have to work with.
When was the last time there was a DQ because of it, I cant remember.
I suppose that's one way of looking at it. But for me there's a difference between fecking up yourself and getting fecked by someone else and the latter shouldn't mean your car will be worse off this season or the next. Not being able to finish the race is bad enough.So you mean teams are not budgeting well enough? Over the course of a season how many crashes will the average team have?
Yeah I don't think genuine in race crashes should be part of their budget cap.
The cap is there to stop teams over developing with huge resources. Fixing a car due to other drivers incompotence isn't a fair way of doing it.
That's true , but I believe they need the extra fuel for additional and third party analysis. For instance, if a team is found by FIA to have used illegal fuel, they may contest that. In that case they will probably need to send a sample to an independent laboratory. I guess it's similar to doping control in sports.Yes, of course, but I guarantee you they can test the fuel just fine with 300mL instead of a litre. It's a very archaic rule.
Aren’t most of you lot supposed to be British? Why do you dislike Lewis Hamilton so much lol?
Good point.An interesting point I was thinking about this morning.
There was one particular Hamilton attempt on Alonso where Hamilton had gotten ahead of Alonso round the outside of T2 but Alonso positioned his car such that he wasn’t on the inside apex but, legally, just left enough room for Hamilton on the outside but would have been incredibly dangerous for Hamilton to keep at it and make it stick.
Now I know there are plenty of differences between this and the Silverstone incident. But principally, the point I wanted to make was that this is the one real difference in quality between Hamilton and Verstappen right now. Hamilton knew that he was better off not taking that risk and fighting another time or even end up stuck behind him Alonso, because he was better off taking some lead from Max’s lead in the championship than having a collision and making no gain at all.
This is what Max needs to learn - and it’s only because he is still young and hence relatively inexperienced. In Silverstone, he was better off backing out, even if it meant a hit on the ego or losing a handful of points, because he was in the lead in the championship and has a competitive car.
He is slated in the right leaning British media. It is a similar job to what the media did on Raheem Sterling until they got called out on it.Just comes down to personality I think. He's not a particularly likeable or charismatic person.
An interesting point I was thinking about this morning.
There was one particular Hamilton attempt on Alonso where Hamilton had gotten ahead of Alonso round the outside of T2 but Alonso positioned his car such that he wasn’t on the inside apex but, legally, just left enough room for Hamilton on the outside but would have been incredibly dangerous for Hamilton to keep at it and make it stick.
Now I know there are plenty of differences between this and the Silverstone incident. But principally, the point I wanted to make was that this is the one real difference in quality between Hamilton and Verstappen right now. Hamilton knew that he was better off not taking that risk and fighting another time or even end up stuck behind him Alonso, because he was better off taking some lead from Max’s lead in the championship than having a collision and making no gain at all.
This is what Max needs to learn - and it’s only because he is still young and hence relatively inexperienced. In Silverstone, he was better off backing out, even if it meant a hit on the ego or losing a handful of points, because he was in the lead in the championship and has a competitive car.
Go to watch a rally stage and stand on the side and boo and you will be looked at like a nob. I think the same applies to f1.
Want to go and boo and act like a child goto the football. Each to their own, I just think it’s childish as feck.
It's always happened to Hamilton. I pulled up this video of 2017 in Monza, I could find loads more from Italy, Austria, Holland and Belgium. People don't like to seem someone as dominant as Hamilton is. To even it up a bit I've also heard opposition drivers booed at Sliverstone. It's as much a part of F1 as it is football.
It's always happened to Hamilton. I pulled up this video of 2017 in Monza, I could find loads more from Italy, Austria, Holland and Belgium. People don't like to seem someone as dominant as Hamilton is. To even it up a bit I've also heard opposition drivers booed at Sliverstone. It's as much a part of F1 as it is football.
I can't comment on those because while I have been watching F1 that long whether there was booing regularly before Hamilton I can't remember. It wasn't something that stuck in my head.If it is it didn't used to be in the not too distant past. The only driver I could ever remember being booed when I was watching F1 growing up was Schumi after some of his worse shenanigans. And while that was more acceptable circumstances even that only lasted a couple of races or so. I can't remember Hakkinen, Alonso, Hill, Coulthard, Frentzen etc. ever getting booed. It may have happened but it would have been out of the ordinary.
Booing is infinitely less frequent in F1 than in football, that's for sure.I can't comment on those because while I have been watching F1 that long whether there was booing regularly before Hamilton I can't remember. It wasn't something that stuck in my head.
He's had abuse since 2008Nah, totally disagree with that. Maybe more so these days and your proof it’s ‘always’ happened to Hamilton goes all the way back to all of 2017. Booing is in fashion these days it seems.
agree with you @Abizzz
He's had abuse since 2008
I'm saying that saying that F1 fans are better than Football fans is rubbish. Hamilton had been harangued since he first came into the sport and is still regularly booed today. Hopefully most of the boos are because he is successfully but there are those out there who dislike him because of his colour and the fact that he is outspoken about discrimination.Thats different to saying booing is just the same in f1 as football. I’ve never doubted that Hamilton gets disgusting abuse including racial abuse
Motorsport in general has a totally different atmosphere compared to football in my experiences. That was my initial point to the poster who said sport is sport or words to that effect. Was just my opinion from my experiences at both sports over many years.I'm saying that saying that F1 fans are better than Football fans is rubbish. Hamilton had been harangued since he first came into the sport and is still regularly booed today. Hopefully most of the boos are because he is successfully but there are those out there who dislike him because of his colour and the fact that he is outspoken about discrimination.
My point was that the booing was aimed at Hamilton and that he has always been targeted.Motorsport in general has a totally different atmosphere compared to football in my experiences. That was my initial point to the poster who said sport is sport or words to that effect. Was just my opinion from my experiences at both sports over many years.
That was what happened, but some are making out that Bottas pulled off a plant shot to take out Max, like he was playing pool, which is clearly silly.A merc took max out the mclaren was just the proxy, bottas is brutal at his worst, but brilliant at his best today he fecked it up
No, you said booing is as much a part of f1 as it is football. That is what I disagreed with. Sorry to keep onMy point was that the booing was aimed at Hamilton and that he has always been targeted.
Deiliberate or not it's still his fault though surely? Can't really blame Norris.That was what happened, but some are making out that Bottas pulled off a plant shot to take out Max, like he was playing pool, which is clearly silly.
Was absolutely Bottas' fault, no-one can dispute that, it's just the insinuations it was deliberate to take out Max that are daft.Deiliberate or not it's still his fault though surely? Can't really blame Norris.
Oh yeah, obviously.Was absolutely Bottas' fault, no-one can dispute that, it's just the insinuations it was deliberate to take out Max that are daft.
Strolls line into the corner was even better, was something like I’d attempt into the first corner on PlayStationWas absolutely Bottas' fault, no-one can dispute that, it's just the insinuations it was deliberate to take out Max that are daft.