Yeah … the outcome of this has nothing to do with any of that though, so meaningless.
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That could be huge, if it turns out to be difficult to overtake as some have suggested, max being behind Bottas, even for a few laps, could be big.
Max will also be aggressive from the start now you’d imagine. All makes it very exciting.
Max will also be aggressive from the start now you’d imagine. All makes it very exciting.
Eh, I think some were suggesting IF that happened.
Stewards have followed consistency here which is good.
I really do wonder if their stance on “hard racing” in Brazil could cause then issues here.
As an aside, I’m once super happy that this helps Lewis and also that the FIA have stuck to precedent. It would have been exciting to see them battle at the top of the track though. Especially that drive into T1.
Horner on now, he does not understand it, he says the FIA balls up.
Horner says Max never saw it and blaming a rouge marshal.
Nor seeing the flag is no defence slam dunk penalty
Horner says Max never saw it and blaming a rouge marshal.
Nor seeing the flag is no defence slam dunk penalty
As if these last few races arent nailbititing enough. These penalties just add to the drama. Cant watch the race at 2pm, but recording it on sky so will watch when I get back tonight and expect 10 plus pages of comments to catch up on.
That’s such a bad argument. F1 drivers coped with yellow flags simply being waved before this tech.
Looking at the line up ahead of Max, I really think their take in hard racing could bite them. The likes of Alonso really don’t have much to lose and are capable of defending aggressively. If the track is as hard as predicted to overtake, he could struggle. Be fascinating to see him come through. Doesn’t feel like there has been too many races where Max had to start a bit lower down this year.
Looking at the line up ahead of Max, I really think their take in hard racing could bite them. The likes of Alonso really don’t have much to lose and are capable of defending aggressively. If the track is as hard as predicted to overtake, he could struggle. Be fascinating to see him come through. Doesn’t feel like there has been too many races where Max had to start a bit lower down this year.
Max has it all to do now. Could be an epic run to get him back up there.
I’ve already made sure my wife doesn’t slot shit in to our schedule for the remaining 2 Sundays of the season!
Horner is so insufferable. Makes all of Lewis moaning looks like a child's play compare to his. Blaming everything and anything, so hypocrite.
I think the RB is sufficiently faster than all else except Merc that he should be able to get past most other cars through a combo or pit stop timing and overtaking, even on a difficult track like this. If I was Max or a Max fan though, that turn 1 is so fast that the potential for carnage is real. If I were him I would hug the inside line as close as physically possible. But that gives you a poor run into T2 where you’d be on the outside. not gonna be easy.
Why did Sainz avoid penalty, out of interest?
I was lead to believe by Redcafe that the FIA would never dare give Max a penalty????????? 
Can't see this being a particularly interesting race, fingers crossed I'm wrong.
Can't see this being a particularly interesting race, fingers crossed I'm wrong.
This is the thing. Until a few seasons ago I really didn’t like Lewis and would root his team mate. But he’s just so different now. The things he stands up for, the air of vulnerability, and his arrogance seems much more in a better place. Even despite all the carnage in Brazil, he had his say but ultimately didn’t moan, just got into it and did his bit on the track.
I really want to like Max. Because he is quick and straight talking and aggressive. He wants to win. But, right now he’s just such a dick. Didn’t and doesn’t praise others if they do a good lap or have a good race. Just acts like a thug On track.
But, part of it is how he is enabled by Horner. I really think under another leader Max wouldn’t be so dislikeable.
Because he backed off just prior to the line, he got lucky imo
I totally agree. He is fast, no doubt but his weaving and dirty driving when desperate puts me off him.
Think the FIA had to punish him this time, especially as many other drivers were starting to call out the favouritism. E.g vettel.
Thanks. If he backed off then it’s probably correct. Ocon backed off too clearly I think. Bottas in particular was dumb. He could see Ocon had slowed right in front of him and he continued full speed ahead. Moronic really.
Alonso is going to be a danger at the start, he has nothing to lose and hates Hamilton
Max will still finish 2nd if Lewis wins.
Not really. One was single yellow, one was double yellow.
Also as I said in my previous post other drivers are starting to put pressure/comment on the pro Max bias from the FIA e.g. Vettel.
Max being behind bottas is big I think. Could very much struggle to overtake him. Of course this being bottas he’ll be passed him after the first corner I’m sure…
He should get a podium with no trouble. It is half the challenge the Lewis had last weekend.
Ironic that the precedent he set on defending an overtake (off the track) last week could come back to haunt him.
Nah, he always fights clean and is the best out there for judging car position and avoiding contact. His car won't be quick enough over 10 laps to keep Hamilton behind.
Both Gasly and Alonso are on softs too right?
Long run into T1, slip stream and soft vs medium. Think it could be tough for Hamilton at the start of this.
Long run into T1, slip stream and soft vs medium. Think it could be tough for Hamilton at the start of this.
He doesn’t and he’s a top professional who will race clean with Lewis
I would absolutely love it if one driver pushes Max and himself off the track to stay ahead. Nothing would delight me more
Gasly and Alonso are probably both too experienced to screw their own races messing around with lewis. Better to let him go off and concentrate on your own race and a potential podium position
I mean bottas could just run him off the circuit by going wide because good hard racing for the (constructors) title
Definitely would not be the same tone as it was last weekImagine the interview with Horner afterwards
Would be even better if the driver that does it interviews after the race and just says "it was hard racing, let us race".
Bottas will lay out the red carpet for max, hes as much of a teammate to max as you can get from a rival driver. Will always move out of the way, leave loads of room for max. Hes just spiteful cause Mercedes are getting rid of him and pretends hes a "sporting" driver.
Come with his age i think. Lewis seems like more composed now like how a veteran in this sport should be. Heck i want him behave like Raikkonen just for the luls.
George Russell too as head of the drivers association was surprisingly critical of Max and how the rules are applied to him. I just read it now and it's good that people will actually speak out about it.
Link?
Russell vs Max is going to be amazing in a couple years time assuming both cars remain competitive. Russell was faster than Max and Lando when they used to race against each other I believe, in karting at least.
This is the part.
Russell - who is a director of the Grand Prix Drivers' Association, and will be Hamilton's team-mate at Mercedes next year - said: "Unfortunately, there was no outcome.
"I do appreciate you need to judge every single case [on its merits] but for me that was not even close to the line of what went on [in Brazil], it was well beyond the line. And if that had been the last lap of the race, in my opinion it would have been a slam-dunk penalty for Max."
Russell also said he questioned Masi's claim that all incidents are judged on their merits and with no consideration of the context or consequences.
"I think Max wasn't punished purely because Lewis won the race," he said, "but the consequences shouldn't be a factor in the punishment. You should judge the incident on a race-by-race basis. That's what they've always told us - it's not the consequences, it's the incident.
"We all want to race hard but that was hard and unfair and we want hard and fair racing."
Sainz said: "I agree with George. It looks like over the winter there will be some big conversations about how we go racing as a sport. If the car on the inside should leave space on the outside in any case or not.
"We need to rethink the whole approach because, the way it's been working, it's pretty clear that the drivers don't fully understand what is going to happen depending on what you do."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/59361848
Shame Max got the penalty, I was looking forward to him and Hamilton side by side into the first corner
I presume Bottas' penalty was less as he lifted more than Max, but not enough to meet the criteria
I hope Gasly wins
I want the championship to go down to the very last race to keep it exciting
I presume Bottas' penalty was less as he lifted more than Max, but not enough to meet the criteria
I hope Gasly wins
I want the championship to go down to the very last race to keep it exciting
Seems pretty inconsistent with Max’s account.
Not convinced bottas has that in him. I can’t see him getting by the likes of Alonso on this track which is very bad for max - the start is massive for him.