He's not wrong. It really is a historic race given how it ended. This farce will never be topped.
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Not so much in the past when Charlie was still at the helm. He was well respected and consistent with the ruling.
Great for the sport tbf.
I think Merc will have their say and then drop it and come back hard next year.
I wouldn't put money on Lewis coming back though I don't think it is certain he might not need all the bullshit.
It really seems like a fix and goes against regulations. As others have stated, you either let them all overtake or none. If they’d wanted an exciting race they’d have red flagged it and Lewis would have gone on softs and they’d have raced it out. He had absolutely no chance to win against fresh tyres so the decision taken essentially went against regulations to hand Max the championship. I really can’t apply any other logic to this other than it was a deliberate breaking of the rules so that Max would win. It’s so bizarre. I’m not a Hamilton fanboy, I just want it to be fair. I feel so bad for him, he raced brilliantly today.
Bad this year, but there's always been controversy. Less within-race rules though. In the past it was mostly development/testing mid-season changes.
True. I do like Newey.
What are you talking about? That was the mother of all races.
Credit to Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton. Champions in spirit.
Historic fix?
This point has stuck out to me.
I'm a big fan and watch all the races.
But Sky streamed this for free for the 'casual' viewer, and rightly so, but if this is their first taste of F1 then it doesn't look great.
Loads of my mates who know I'm into F1 messaging me saying last few laps were a load of bollocks.
Fundamental rules changes needed.
Ending in a SC when Lewis totally dominated the race and had the right tire strategy? Races ending in a SC is racing. That is part of it and the integrity of F1.
Completely undoing the laws of the sport and rewriting it on the last lap of the season to determine a winner is not racing and there's zero integrity.
particularly bad this year. The old race director Charlie Whiting, who was hugely respected and pretty much beyond reproach died the day before a race 2 years ago. Nobody has been able to touch Mercedes’ until this year so it hasn’t mattered, but his replacement Michael Masi has been incompetent and made very poor decisions in both directions all year
Watch kept telling me I was having a high heart rate in the last laps. Fecking farce nonetheless, class from Hamilton and dad.
Pretty much.
Masi = Vince McMahon.
Fair fecks to Max, congrats to him. It's a shame the whole thing ended on a farce, but that doesn't take away from just how talented these guys have to be to drive these machines. Insane levels of ability, I'd argue right up there if not beyond the talent level of any other sport in terms of limits.
It's just such a shame it's more about TV/money than real competition. And even at that they still suck 99 times out of 100.
Getting more traction online than ever before so the sport will certainly grow viewers from it.
The only way lessons will be learned and/or implemented for the future is if this does go further.
There's never been anywhere near the level of controversy about on track decisions though. Technical stuff sure, but actual racecraft?
It takes fixing races to create this much controversy and F1 used to be able to hide any fixing that did go on a lot better than this shower of incompetency can.
It takes fixing races to create this much controversy and F1 used to be able to hide any fixing that did go on a lot better than this shower of incompetency can.
This can happen in and of itself. If Latifi crashes 2 laps sooner and we get a SC, then it doesn't have to be controversial for them to let all cars unlap and finish with 1-2 laps racing with Max still at an advantage. It is the disregard of the rules (not letting all cars unlap and the SC ending that same lap instead of the next) that taints things.
Doesn't help that this season we have heard the team director / FIA radio chats. Makes it even murkier.
New champion is great for the sport I agree; just not the way it was won.
Disagree, sham for long standing fans and just pandering to new fans in it for a bit of quick drama
Genuinely pleased about this, even if Kimi probably won't care much about it.
Yeah, they've only won 15 of the last 16 driver and constructors championships over the last 8 seasons. Now they've lost one it's clearly rigged against them and they have to SuperLeague it.
It's not uncommon to have the odd controversy but this is absurd. Some of that is just because the title battle is so much closer, some just because since Masi took the job of race director after Charlie Whiting's death and he has repeatedly shown since that he is unfit for the job.
Rules only apply in F1 if you get caught doing the wrong thing. If nobody is able to find any evidence of wrongdoing, anything goes.
Yes they were. But quite honestly, there is no excuse for what they did. In any organised sport, you have to have and play by the rules.
Not make the rules up as you go along just to suit the situation.
But hey ho. What is done is done.
Move on to next year.
The fact they have open communication during the race is a complete joke.
I think next season needs a new race director, and no more of the team chats with FIA.
Whoever interviewed Hamilton at the end is a disgrace to journalism, didn't even ask him for his reaction to what had happened.
I think you overestimate the importance of this thread.I think the CAFE F1 thread, should take this to CAS.
On a serious note though, how do they restore the integrity of the sport after this?
Unless the race decides the championship? It all came down to one race. If Max had won fair and square, he deserves it. Same for Lewis. Maybe that's what you mean? But if one of them won today because of a massively favourable decision, then that undermines it for me.
It was literally won today because of a crash and someone deciding they weren't going to follow the rules, which goes against everything sport should stand for.
They’ve learnt the lesson that they can contrive it completely for maximum spectacle.
They won’t change it to make things fairer.
Liberty will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Motor sports are shite but I enjoyed the theatre of that.
Surprised how graceful Hamilton was. Nice to see.
Surprised how graceful Hamilton was. Nice to see.
State of some of the folk here. I always fancied myself as a Hamilton fan until the last year or so of this thread. Bring back Santi.
My take:
1. Hamilton should have had to give the place back on lap 1.
2. Safety car thing was a JOKE. Ever since Liberty have bought F1 they care more about theater than sport.
I wanted Max to win, but not like that.
Now Forza Ferrari next year!
1. Hamilton should have had to give the place back on lap 1.
2. Safety car thing was a JOKE. Ever since Liberty have bought F1 they care more about theater than sport.
I wanted Max to win, but not like that.
Now Forza Ferrari next year!
Exactly. The salt from Mercedes fans is something else. Max is a worthy champions and Lewis has gotten away with his fair share of shitty things in title winning seasons. Get over it, these things even themselves out over time.
How can you not like the season though? Brilliant drama and two superbly talented and driven men going at it and decided by the last lap. What's not to like.
Both had their luck and rules go their way. If you dont see it that way, it's sad.