Top headline on BBC now. Max doesn’t need to get into antics off the track, the only real way he can lose this title is letting stuff like this get into his head.
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Nonsense. Verstappen has never done anything illegal all season. He’s been driving aggressively but has never crossed the line. Max has been schooling Lewis through clean racing and positioning his car better. Hamilton couldn’t take it anymore and did a Suzuka 1990.
Well this video clearly shows:
1. Lewis was never infront
2. Lewis went wide and with to much speed into this corner
3. Max tried to avoid it but wasn't able to because Lewis put the car where he shouldn't
The commentator in the end says that both expected to back out of it but noone did. But why should Max backed out of it if he had better line and was infront.
So clearly Lewis knew Max will not backed out because he had no reason to do that but still put the car there. If this would be move by a rookie I would say it's racing incident but I rate Lewis to much to say that he wasn't aware of the most likely outcome or that he missgudged corner or anything like that.
I agree.
Another question (which I don't know the answer to).
Let's say today Hamilton ran Verstappen off the track and was 100% to blame. If there is then a red flag because of that incident, am I right in thinking Verstappen doesn't get the chance to get into the spare car and restart the race, even from last place?
If so, should that be changed?
Not the easiest to follow because people who say that are simply wrong and over reacting.
The analogy doesn't work. Football is a team game, whereas there are only two drivers. Also, if we were to make it more accurate it would be like comparing a potentially leg braking challenge made in a game in November to a deliberate foul in the final game of the season to deny a goal which would win the side the league.
In terms of trophies, the latter is causatively worse.
Yes but it wont be.
The geometry of a fast corner like Copse is actually more restrictive than a slow one. There's fewer viable lines and not being on the ideal line costs more as a % of time than in a slower corner. So while there was asphalt to the outside of Max it's not really going to be used. He's trying to keep up speed above all, and then balancing the tightest line his grip will allow him to so that he can be on track at the end of the corner, with leaving some room for the fact that Hamilton was somewhere on the inside. He wasn't even going to actually hit the apex of the turn even if they didn't collide. What he maybe should've done was to given up staying on track by the exit and gone really wide, and risk that the stewards wouldn't hit him with a track limits penalty.... but I dunno if the kerbs when you go off the track on that exit are aggressive or mild.
This will make him more aggressive I think, meaning more DNFs.
I think the main fault you can place at Hamilton is that it was probably a risky overtake. And whilst Verstappen could have backed out, he didn’t, and because ultimately he had the line and the lead, even if fractional, it means Hamilton caused the crash. That’s not to say Verstappen couldn’t have avoided it. But if being strict it was more Hamilton’s responsibility there to avoid it. That, and whilst not on purpose, Hamilton had a bit of understeer.
Now where it gets tricky is that by the rules, Hamilton was sufficiently close to Verstappen that he also didn’t have to back out.
That’s why I think it’s a racing incident. Two drivers, competing to win, trying not to give up an inch, and perhaps both being unnecessarily aggressive. It’s unfortunate Max’s race was ended. But, it’s compatible racing. I can understand why Hamilton got the penalty, he was to blame in some respects. But I do disagree. I think it was just racing.
And as for people saying Hamilton did it on purpose, anyone who watches F1 should know that that was obviously just not the case.
There you go. When you are in a hole, time to stop digging. You have made a fool of yourself already. Now you are making it even worse.
Did I enjoy the the win, too fecking right I did.
The penalty was given and he fought back to win the race.
Unfair ? I bet you would not have said the same if it was the other way round.
Because the rule is not about who is in front or not.
Sorry, you did actually watch that clip, didn't you?
He really needs a team that reels in his tantrums, to maybe force him to grow up a bit. Max is very like Lewis when he was younger, but Lewis' more childish tendencies weren't accepted at McLaren, whereas Max's seem to be enabled at Red Bull, especially with Horner as principal being the biggest baby of all.
Now stop it, Prost and Senna Japanese GP maybe you should look it up.
Exactly.
With Max being 35 points ahead he should have been the one making sure there was no contact because he had the most to lose. Every other top driver being 35 points ahead and in the faster car would have played the percentages and backed out and looked to take him later on.
100% mate.
Of course hamilton could have braked and given the space, but at the same time Verstappen had majority of the track. Ridiculous penalty and kills racing, but most important thing is Max is ok because that was some hit
I think that is a very good point. To me, the more successful Lewis has been the more he seems at ease with himself. I think a lot of those childish tendencies as you put them were down to him knowing how good he was but he wasn't having the sustained success which he wanted.
Max was the number 1 at RB from a teenager - there must be a level of entitlement there.
You are having a laugh really. I watched live loads of times when Senna, Prost and Schumacher for starters made far more blatent moves than this. Senna and Prost did a few at the start granted but if you've not seen them you won't believe some of the others and the ones Schumacher did.
F1 has become stale for a long time now - it's good there is some real needle again it always used to have it.
We all wish nobody gets seriously injured of course - but it is racing and they accept certain risks.
Outrageous and pathetic from Hamilton, it’s the kind of thing that really shows what a prick he is, not even Schumacher would have been that blasé and obvious about it, never mind how dangerous it was, he shouldn’t be allowed to drive again, ever quite frankly.
Anyone got a video so I can see the incident?
Seems like a good time for Mercedes to go all out and sign Max. The Red Bull may be the better car, but no current driver is going to be able to beat either Lewis or Max in the Merc. Lewis will, maybe, race another couple of seasons, then Max has a clear run.
Imagine the fireworks of Lewis and Max in the same team
Imagine the fireworks of Lewis and Max in the same team
Max has always been aggressive, since day 1, you could find a highlight reel an hour long with questionable moves or dive bombs or “move or we crash” but it’s exciting racing and when it works you are a hero. For him to accuse another driver of unsportsmanlike racing is about as rich as it comes, you could point out 2 or 3 moves this season where Hamilton was soft with him and avoided the incident, the one time Max was in that position they crashed.
“Disrespectful” coming from a driver that called others some pretty unsavoury remarks even as recent as earlier this season. But when your dad talks shit, your advisor Helmut talks shit and your boss Horner talks shit you probably end up very unaware of reality.
I hope Leclerc has a car to challenge him for years to come, he’s the one driver that reacted to Max’s driving and said “feck it then, I’ll do it too”. Those two will keep body shops working 24/7 if they race close.
“Disrespectful” coming from a driver that called others some pretty unsavoury remarks even as recent as earlier this season. But when your dad talks shit, your advisor Helmut talks shit and your boss Horner talks shit you probably end up very unaware of reality.
I hope Leclerc has a car to challenge him for years to come, he’s the one driver that reacted to Max’s driving and said “feck it then, I’ll do it too”. Those two will keep body shops working 24/7 if they race close.
Loving all the ridiculous defending of Lewis on here. All basically saying "yeah but Max has done some dangerous driving in the past" or "yeah but Max has talked a lot of shite in the past", as if that somehow makes what Lewis did during and said after the race okay.
I would have said the same. You drive your rival of the track or course it’s unfair. I don’t understand how a 10 second penalty is all of a sudden fair. It isn’t fair. It costs Max 25 points. I don’t even understand how this is even a debate. And I definitely would have said the same if Max would ran Lewis from the track. And I ctredited Lewis too.
completely agree. it shouldn’t matter that whilst hamilton was winning his 7th championship, verstappen was off sleeping with pornstars whilst his third wife was pregnant
No what Hamilton did during the race was okay in it's own right. Max being dangerous is just a fact.
Just not in the steward's or any impartial spectator's book.
Max hasn't put a foot wrong all season and Lewis has just taken out Max but Max is the dangerous one alright. If you think what Lewis did was alright perhaps you should read the FIA report on the incident. And if you cause a massive crash like that the least you could do is apologize. Instead he says "I did nothing wrong" and basically says Max should have more respect while Max is in hospital. What a nice guy Lewis is
He got a 10 second penalty not even a stop and go. If the stewards thought that it was seriously dangerous and premeditated he would have got a lot worse. He made a move that in their opinion caused a collision. It happens every race in F1. They asked Otmar Szafnauer the head of Astin Martin who said it was 'The definition of a racing incident,' they asked Karun Chandhok who said the penalty was harsh.
Me tooYou nearly had me then
Max double and triple moves all over the track. He is know throughout the paddock for bring dangerous.Max hasn't put a foot wrong all season and Lewis has just taken out Max but Max is the dangerous one alright. If you think what Lewis did was alright perhaps you should read the FIA report on the incident. And if you cause a massive crash like that the least you could do is apologize. Instead he says "I did nothing wrong" and basically says Max should have more respect while Max is in hospital. What a nice guy Lewis is