F1 2021 Season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
You do realize Lewis had to lift to even make the corner because he was far too much on the inside while Max was on the racing line so could carry more speed thus didn't have to lift? It was a dangerous move from Lewis to begin with. He really had no chance to do a clean overtake there from that position.What I didn't like watching the incident first time and studying the replays is just how wild Max was weaving to break the tow. He knew he was going to get overtaken easily, he dives over to the right then jumps back out to the left then just turns in hard right as if Lewis was never over 3/4 of a car alongside, Lewis actually lifts and drops back but unfortunately they tag.
Lewis is about 90% alongside, half a front wing length in it, this is the moment Max had gone back out to the left after weaving to the right
Lewis lifts and drops back and Max turns in pretty hard considering they were just side by side and the amount of weaving going on by Max. It wasn't a careless send up the inside. Max knew he was there alongside and was weaving frantically to break the tow and closed him out. Max wasn't optimally going to take the corner like on a solo lap, far from it and should slowed a little like Lewis to both go around. Lewis was legitimately making a move, made it on a desperately weaving Max. You can't just turn the corner into solo mode after what transpired fractions of a second before. This wasn't a normal copse entry for Max. I'd call it a racing incident.
I should play fantasy F1 haha.
How on earth has Verstappen caused the incident?
Just finished watching it. Cracking race, feels like it’s reignited the championship battle again.
Glad Max is OK, was a huge hit. Hopefully there’ll be no longer term damage done to him than some bruising.
Brilliant racing from Max & Lewis on the first lap. Racing incident in my book (especially watching Karun’s analysis). Neither willing to yield anything, both could have done a bit more to avoid the touch & ultimately it was a shame it happened as it looked like it was going to be a good battle.
This was always going to happen though. Max has an aggressive style of racing, and Lewis isn’t afraid to get his elbows out when needed either. Given the recent stewarding decisions, Lewis was always going to get a penalty for it.
LeClerc had a really strong day. Those Ferrari’s were rapid today, so glad to see McLaren’s coming in a strong 5/6th to keep that battle right.
Looked like an awesome atmosphere. I had tickets to go but couldn’t make it, so pretty gutted!
On a side note, Christian Horner’s post race interview was a bit too far IMO. I get emotions are running high, but he should have a bit more of a level-headed comments, especially 2 hours after the race.
Glad Max is OK, was a huge hit. Hopefully there’ll be no longer term damage done to him than some bruising.
Brilliant racing from Max & Lewis on the first lap. Racing incident in my book (especially watching Karun’s analysis). Neither willing to yield anything, both could have done a bit more to avoid the touch & ultimately it was a shame it happened as it looked like it was going to be a good battle.
This was always going to happen though. Max has an aggressive style of racing, and Lewis isn’t afraid to get his elbows out when needed either. Given the recent stewarding decisions, Lewis was always going to get a penalty for it.
LeClerc had a really strong day. Those Ferrari’s were rapid today, so glad to see McLaren’s coming in a strong 5/6th to keep that battle right.
Looked like an awesome atmosphere. I had tickets to go but couldn’t make it, so pretty gutted!
On a side note, Christian Horner’s post race interview was a bit too far IMO. I get emotions are running high, but he should have a bit more of a level-headed comments, especially 2 hours after the race.
It’s a racing incident. Hamilton was a little wide and Max assumes he’s going to yield. It was good viewing till then.
I think the stewards got it wrong by giving a penalty, but if you do decide it’s a penalty surely it has to be one that impacts the outcome more than that.
Also, a lot of muppets in this thread (on both sides). Calm yourselves down ffs.
I think the stewards got it wrong by giving a penalty, but if you do decide it’s a penalty surely it has to be one that impacts the outcome more than that.
Also, a lot of muppets in this thread (on both sides). Calm yourselves down ffs.
Depressingly predictable.
Saw one of the mods on the F1 subreddit mentioning they'd had to delete 6000 messages with a "significant amount" being for racist abuse as well.
Saw one of the mods on the F1 subreddit mentioning they'd had to delete 6000 messages with a "significant amount" being for racist abuse as well.
If you read my post "it was not 100% Hamiltons fault".
I.e close to 50/50, 60/40, 80/20. Whichever you prefer.
I suspect alot of "Black Pete" supporters will be on there, sadly.
So predictable.
And of course a lot of the Hamilton hate on the internet has nothing to do with him being a black driver in F1. 
Hamilton is in the fight because Verstappen lost 50 points in Baku and Silverstone because of no fault of his own. It’s actually comical that Hamilton is still behind in the championship when he’s had all the luck and Verstappen has had all the bad luck.
Imola red flag
Baku puncture
Silverstone crash
Hamilton has been ridiculously lucky this season compared to Verstappen and he’s still behind.
Top Gear once did a massive feature on Senna. Martin Brundle was saying Senna would always put you in a situation where either you had to back out, or you were both going to crash. If you backed out, Senna knew he had you for life.
Max has a similar style. He is the most brutally aggressive driver on the grid, and it’s the reason he’s 1) so exciting and well liked by neutrals, and 2) so good in wheel to wheel racing.
Whilst I wouldn’t say it was Max’s fault (personal opinion is racing incident but I f blame to be assigned, it’s on Hamilton), he definitely has a style which makes crashes more likely than average.
Max generally wins the battle of the wills, but today it didn’t happen. Hamilton knows that if he yields, Max disappears off up the road and the Championship is approaching a foregone conclusion. Max chooses a style that often relies on the other driver yielding. Generally they do yield, but now he’s in the fastest car, it’s less of an option.
Yes but how can you even partially blame it on Verstappen?
I understand all of that and yes Max is agressive but in this situation that wasn’t really the case. I really don’t see wat Verstappen could have done different.
Honestly in my heart of hearts I probably want Max to beat Lewis and for Red Bull to break the Mercedes monopoly.
However, with that said Lewis should have won in Baku but made a mistake which Max benefited from. The Imola race was fortunate, but you must give Lewis credit for the amazing recovery drive he performed, that most could not.
Lewis got damage at Austria too causing him to fall to 4th when he should have got 2nd.
To me, it does feel like Lewis has not been driving to his full ability so far, (before today), and Max has been at 100%. That's why I see Lewis winning this year, even without the best car.
Not act like a twat after the race.
I remember watching that. I think Brundle said that on one occasion Senna gave him no room in a corner to gauge what kind of driver he was. Would he keep his car in one piece and back off or would he go for it knowing that there will be a collision. I think he said that Senna's car ended up on top of his?
Leclerc and Alonso on the incident between lewis and max.
Leclerc
Ferrari's Charles Leclerc was right behind the collision and inherited the lead after it, and lost what would have been his first victory of the year when Hamilton passed him for the win with two laps to go. He said: "It is a racing incident. It is quite difficult to put the blame on one or the other.
"There was space on the inside. Maybe Lewis was not completely at the apex but it is also true Max was quite aggressive on the outside. Things happen. The most important today is Max is unharmed and is fine."
Alonso
And Fernando Alonso, a two-time world champion, who has passed people around the outside of Copse a number of times in his career - including in the sprint race on Saturday - said: "Lewis had more than half a car alongside Max, so in a way Lewis could not disappear from that inside line. You can't vanish. So it was an unfortunate moment but nothing intentional and nothing that any of the two drivers did wrong."
Leclerc
Ferrari's Charles Leclerc was right behind the collision and inherited the lead after it, and lost what would have been his first victory of the year when Hamilton passed him for the win with two laps to go. He said: "It is a racing incident. It is quite difficult to put the blame on one or the other.
"There was space on the inside. Maybe Lewis was not completely at the apex but it is also true Max was quite aggressive on the outside. Things happen. The most important today is Max is unharmed and is fine."
Alonso
And Fernando Alonso, a two-time world champion, who has passed people around the outside of Copse a number of times in his career - including in the sprint race on Saturday - said: "Lewis had more than half a car alongside Max, so in a way Lewis could not disappear from that inside line. You can't vanish. So it was an unfortunate moment but nothing intentional and nothing that any of the two drivers did wrong."
Doesn't a racing incident imply that blame is shared?
I really hope Leclerc wins the Championship soon. I really like the guy.
More biased Hamilton fans.
Sorry if already posted.
Can never really appreciate the magnitude of the crashes on TV.
This video really hit home how scary this sport is.
Can never really appreciate the magnitude of the crashes on TV.
This video really hit home how scary this sport is.
Same and he's a brilliant young driver. Future world champion in my eyes.
With his little outburst today - Max may have just gone full Kevin Keegan.
Yes that’s not right from Verstappen.
Yep, Lewis in being a sneaky cnut and getting away with it again shocker.
That's the one! What a driver. Sadly I missed most of his career, being 10 when he died. I signed up for F1TV in part to re-watch his best races in full. Well worth it.
Have you seen it now?
Just browsing insta, and F1 facebook page is full of racist crap. I'd have thought the past weeks of abuse of Saka, Rashford, Sancho taught anyone anything about certain parts of the media and some fans treat young black sportspeople. Obviously everyone in this thread and the majority have valid reasons to dislike him (the tax one is horse shit, almost all F1 drivers live in Monaco and don't pay taxes) but don't act like the racist side of this doesn't exist.
Oh ffs, I generally don’t like Hamilton but why does everything have to turn into racist attacks these days? I’m so sick of knuckle draggers and it feels like they’re becoming more and more vocal.
Aside from the crash itself I still feel like f1 can do red flags better to keep it more in the spirit of the race than like a fresh restart. If repairing damage in a red flag I wonder why don't they just say that any car that has work done has to start from the pit lane?
During the race I even saw Hamilton fan on Twitter say the stewards were racist and thats why they give him a penalty. She is a United fan.
Agree, should just stick to genuine criticism instead of looking to race.
Not really the same thing is it.
No but when I saw that I was sure it would be ugly after the race.
But her comment was not right though.
Its pretty easy to win a championship if you just award points on lap 1.
Quite easily, he could easily have given more Hamilton space. He would have lost the corner, but it would have avoided the crash. There's been two or three times this season those two would have collided if Lewis hadn't been the one to back out.
It boggles my mind that pundits and drivers seem about 60/40 on it being Lewis' fault, a position I agree with, and yet people saying that "10 seconds isn't enough". Its borderline on being a penalty so the magnitude of the punishment should reflect that. To say "well, Lewis is so good he'll get the 10s back" is asinine,