If you mean the ones on reddit, they have been banning everyone who posts anything racist and have been trying to stem the racism towards Hamilton for years but it's insanely easy for the racist posters to just create a new account on the site with little the mods can do. The mods have now updated to say they've removed 18,000 comments with the majority being for racism so probably around 10,000 racist comments...
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He’s got 4 penalty points actually. That article was written before Silverstone.
And the reason why I picked a 2 year limit is because otherwise Hamilton fans are shameless enough to bring up things Verstappen did in 2015, when he was 17 years old.
For how long have you been watching F1?
The best overtake of Hamilton’s career (by his own accord) was Monza 2007, where he made a brutal lunge on Raikkonen who clearly had to back out to avoid a crash. When Hamilton made that move, everyone praised him for his bravery.
Late braking maneuvers have always been a part of F1.
Hitting someone in the rear and sending them into the barriers is NOT a part of F1.
It's all that they are left with because any current driver or team principle not affiliated with Red Bull that has commented have said it was a racing incident so now everybody is afraid of the British Fans.
I can't believe Horner claimed Hamilton took Max out on purpose, I know he has to always stick up for his star driver but that made him come across like an idiot.
I think FOM broadcasting the teams radio calls to Masi was kinda embarrassing, didn't think it made either team look good, and Masi doesn't even decide on the penalty so it makes no sense telling him what they think.
I'm surprised so many people were upset with a driver celebrating a win on his home track, especially since it's his first win in front of a large crowd in a long time.
Max may now have to reconsider being aggressive with Hamilton in the future, because this was the first time I can think of Hamilton not being cautious with Max, and wasn't backing out like he has many times in the past.
Horner was really happy with Max and his aggression against Hamilton at Catalunya, and now that Hamilton is just as aggressive towards Max he has a meltdown.
I also wish Max would condemn the racist abuse against Hamilton because his fanbase is very toxic.
Not saying he is in anyway responsible, but his fans are crazy passionate and I'm sure the comments Red Bull were making about Hamilton didn't exactly help.
Overall I would lay the blame slightly at Hamilton but it wasn't as clear cut as many people have said.
Hamilton was super aggressive because you would have to think once they got to the high speed corners Max would have pulled away, so he had to try and make it stick early on.
Just realized this was such a long post, my bad.
I think FOM broadcasting the teams radio calls to Masi was kinda embarrassing, didn't think it made either team look good, and Masi doesn't even decide on the penalty so it makes no sense telling him what they think.
I'm surprised so many people were upset with a driver celebrating a win on his home track, especially since it's his first win in front of a large crowd in a long time.
Max may now have to reconsider being aggressive with Hamilton in the future, because this was the first time I can think of Hamilton not being cautious with Max, and wasn't backing out like he has many times in the past.
Horner was really happy with Max and his aggression against Hamilton at Catalunya, and now that Hamilton is just as aggressive towards Max he has a meltdown.
I also wish Max would condemn the racist abuse against Hamilton because his fanbase is very toxic.
Not saying he is in anyway responsible, but his fans are crazy passionate and I'm sure the comments Red Bull were making about Hamilton didn't exactly help.
Overall I would lay the blame slightly at Hamilton but it wasn't as clear cut as many people have said.
Hamilton was super aggressive because you would have to think once they got to the high speed corners Max would have pulled away, so he had to try and make it stick early on.
Just realized this was such a long post, my bad.
Choosing the time frame that best suits Max is pretty shameless to be honest. And transparent. Especially considering Max's overly aggressive driving style over the years.
Max fanboys really make it's hard to feel any sympathy for Max.
Especially Horner, he's fecking deluded.
Especially Horner, he's fecking deluded.
I’ve given Verstappen a free pass for everything that he did from 2015-2018 because he was young, younger than Hamilton was when he made his debut in fact.
Hamilton’s 2011 season is about equally relevant in the discussion.
Hamilton fans on the other hand make it very easy to hate Hamilton.
Yes, that is very apparent. You still are.
Yeah, of course I’m not going to hold Verstappen accountable when another car wipes him out of the race, that is obvious.
Max turned in way too tight, plenty of room was left on the outside of the track.
He also knew Hamilton was about to overtake him, he purposely showed HAM to the inside which was also a mistake.
If he'd used the full track available they wouldn't have collided. It's easy to find fault in both drivers.
dont't do that. Just don't.This is the last I'm posting on this. Below are images from Spain where Max went into the first corner too hot and then couldn't give Hamilton any space even though Hamilton was ahead at the start of the corner and alongside throughout. At no point did Max 'own' the corner and the two would have collided if Lewis didn't back out because Max left no room.
In this one from Imola you can see again the two alongside and this time Max forcing Lewis completely out of space and off the road. This one, in my mind is unequivocal and you can also argue the extra danger of it being in the wet. Again, the two crash if Lewis doesn't back out:
My thoughts at the time was Max was being over-aggressive but the stewards were giving first lap lenience to encourage racing so I was OK with it. Yesterday Max again put his car in a position where Lewis would have to yield or crash and he didn't. This could easily have been the 3rd opening lap crash of the season if Lewis hadn't backed out on the previous occasions (and this doesn't even include the example yesterday at Brooklands on the first lap)
The stewards thought it was mostly but not entirely Hamilton's fault and the majority of the pundits are split between racing incident and Lewis being a bit more to blame. You can keep howling at the moon that Hamilton is the devil if you want, but you just come across as bitter.
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Yet you will look back over 2 years, but not 4 years.
You ignore Max weaving all over the road dangerously to defend overtakes e.g. Kimi at Spa and Vettel.
You also ignore the multiple times Hamilton has had to back out of moves with Max because Max is dangerous. E.g. as recently as May 2021, Spain.
"“Turn 1 was mega. I mean Max, that was full Max Verstappen – he was just going for it – and he positioned the car fantastically well,” said Horner after the Spanish GP. “He tucked in, he got a little bit of a tow and a bit of momentum. And yeah he just braked later and ran the car wide. Thankfully Lewis had got out of it because otherwise he would have ended up in the fence,” he added."
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...-says-his-drivers.2lU7c1wC1oSYZOMLMy9ijd.html
Difference between Spain and Silverstone is very obvious in those pictures.
Max was alongside and hit the apex. Lewis was half a car length behind and missed the apex by at least a car width.
Max was alongside and hit the apex. Lewis was half a car length behind and missed the apex by at least a car width.
Interesting analysis. Much more measured than many of the posts in here.
feck off with the 'fanboy' shit. If you can't construct an argument without using childish insults then get out of the thread.
Funny thing is most of the so called max fanboys probably aren't even fans of his.
Why do Hamilton fans have such a persecution complex?
I don't care, but having sets of Hamilton and Max supporters calling each other fanboys repeatedly is mind numbingly boring.
Lewis Hamilton's most famous overtake of his career:
he considers this his best overtake in his own opinion:
Is this bad racecraft? And if it is, why does Hamilton of all people consider it to be the best overtake of his career?
There was nothing wrong with Verstappen's move in Spain. He made the apex, didn't run wide, and was ahead on corner exit.
Comparing it to Silverstone, where Hamilton clips Raikkonen from behind, is just a complete fallacy.
As opposed to some of the hysterical comments made by the pro Max crowd? The partisan posters on both sides are frankly as bad as each other.
On balance I think I wanted Verstappen to win yesterday, if only for my possibly unfounded belief that Mercedes will come back strong in the second half of the season, and my wish for a nail-biting conclusion to the season.
With that said, yesterday was a racing incident and Lewis should not have been punished. Horner was ridiculous.
I'm almost certain this kind of coming together will happen again this season, probably more than once. If next time the roles are reversed, Max will have to be punished and this title will be decided through two teams complaining to the stewards.
Aggressive, hard racing is a good thing and Max and Lewis have both pushed the boundaries but there really needs to be more less focus on penalising this sort of racing.
With that said, yesterday was a racing incident and Lewis should not have been punished. Horner was ridiculous.
I'm almost certain this kind of coming together will happen again this season, probably more than once. If next time the roles are reversed, Max will have to be punished and this title will be decided through two teams complaining to the stewards.
Aggressive, hard racing is a good thing and Max and Lewis have both pushed the boundaries but there really needs to be more less focus on penalising this sort of racing.
Credit where credit is due. Seb Vettel suprised alot of people by staying behind and helping pick up litter from the Silverstone grandstands. Photos and video online. Humble multi millionaire.
Does anyone know if Seb has a particular thing about recycling or litter?
Does anyone know if Seb has a particular thing about recycling or litter?
Yes he speaks on environmental issues regularly, so I suspect this is related to that.
He's improved so much as a person since his time at Red Bull. He's even found some humour judging by drive to survive.
Seb has always been funny, check him out on top gear years ago with Clarkson.
He's got a very English sense of humour.
Don't you think that if drivers aren't penalized when they don't allow space or don't regard the line of another car to the outside of them, then the drivers will adjust and get really aggressive with how they defend the outside on all different kind of corners, and then the next result is that no one even tries to attack or defend on the outside?
The difference here is Hamilton hasn't run Verstappen off the road or pushed him wide so that he can't make the corner. Verstappen himself has turned in on Hamilton thinking he's going to back off and he'll nip ahead through the exit. (which is usually what happens)
This time Hamilton sticks to his guns until he feels it's too late, then he eases off for a split second to try to avoid the contact. This allows Verstappen to get ahead but unfortunately they clip wheels.
Compare it to say Leclerc and Perez at Austria and it's very different.
I'm not suggesting that those rules shouldn't be enforced. I just think that the stewards responses to the events with Perez, Norwich, Hamilton and Russell at Austria and Silverstone shows that they are erring too far on the side of caution when it comes to hard driving like we saw yesterday.
I was at that race, Kimi was fecked after ruining his neck in a crash in either practice or quali (can’t remember) I was so gutted I was hoping he could pull off an upset
Lewis really rates that as the best move of his career?
Yeah, it's not a classic case about how much space you leave another car on the outside at corner exit. But I think it's still somewhat about how two cars might try to navigate the middle of a corner side-by-side, and I think a similar principle applies in that the car on the inside doesn't get to just decide how wide he wants to run and the outside car just has to deal with it.
I've said it before, I think Hamilton makes a mistake. He's carrying too much speed at too tight an angle with too little grip (dirty track inside) to take the corner well and is why he understeers and misses the apex by quite a bit. My view is just that it's still on a driver to drive a tighter line when he knows a car is outside of him into a corner. A similar case is Sainz getting clipped by Russell during the sprint race on Saturday, for which he was also penalized.
But if hard racing™ is not leaving any space outside, then you won't get that racing as everything will just be a dive to the inside, from defending or attacking positions.
I've said it many times, Hamilton is partially to blame, same for Verstappen. This is racing and not everything is cut and dry, there isn't a 100% blame to either of them.
They both could have done things differently to avoid it. The tension was huge, the excitement was sky high and with the draft Hamilton was getting there was no way he would give that chance up.
It's really unfortunate the clash happened, but f1 history is littered with crashes like this and big moments, it'll go down in folklore as a Senna/Prost moment for sure.
Well we wanted racing right? And if this thread is anything to go by, interest in F1 has shot up faster than an extra in trainspotting.
Roll on the rest of the season I say, drama, drama queens and thread bans for the "heat of the moment" posts.
Does this mean santi can come back? He'd fit right in now...
Roll on the rest of the season I say, drama, drama queens and thread bans for the "heat of the moment" posts.
Does this mean santi can come back? He'd fit right in now...
Bingo, 1 thing for sure is this has the feeling of a PROPER rivalry now.
F1 has become pretty PG over the last few years, drivers are all best friends and wouldn't say boo to a goose.
It's nice to see some of them giving it out, but fairly of course.
That overtake has nothing to do with my post about Hamilton having to avoid crashes with Max multiple times.
You claim it is his best overtake but you're probably taking far too seriously some bullshite media interview the drivers had to do.