Can you verify any of this?
You're right. Perez came 16th at Silverstone, so Red Bull has one of the worst cars, which proves just how much better Max is than Lewis.
A one-off race doesn’t prove anything, but 10 races is enough of a sample size to notice some patterns and make some conclusions.
I think you can cut out the references to 'British forum'. You can't generalize people like that, plus you don't actually know where most of the people you are discussing with are from. Also, I'm sure you have your own biases as well (same as me and everyone). And this is anyway an Irish forum, if you want to be technical about it.
Thing is it's not just Bottas finishing ahead of Perez, but clearly his car isn't getting the attention Verstappen's receives. Where the two are similar is in the number of mistakes the two make and the age difference is very apparent. Perez 31 has had two wins in his career, Verstappen at 23 with 15 wins, still a bit immature, needs to show more patience, has all the potential that Perez doesn't, at least anymore. Verstappen has gotten track positions from Hamilton by pushing his car into space Hamilton is in, Hamilton up to Silverstone has preferred to fight another day, protect the equipment. No longer it seems, Verstappen's mistake, and it was his, was to believe that Hamilton would carry on allowing Verstappen to believe he could bully for position. Hamilton had the space, Verstappen had left the door wide open after the dummy from Hamilton that saw Verstappen attempt blocking twice and it was the Red Bull rear offside wheel that made contact with the rear inside of Hamilton's. The only other way to interpret it would be because you don't understand racing. Verstappen had lost the position to bully, the boot was now on the other foot.
Not true. Max got 4 points in 2019.
I didn't say Hamilton had a perfect record but then again if you are going to compare the two drivers, you can't, Verstappen doesn't have the years or the successes to compare. Drive long enough and you'll have racing incidents, mistakes and accidents. Them's the facts, Albon and Verstappen to my mind don't have the experience. Alright, Hamiltopn got 2 points, I think that's a huge mistake and inexplainable unless either I'm wrong or something else has happened.
If you look at the link in my post above, you'll see that cherry picking 2 years as a comparison is not representative. If you look further back, Max has more penalty points than Hamilton since 2015.
Hamilton's points come from the incident at Silverstone and various pit lane issues. Verstappen's apart from ignoring blue flags I think are all driving incidents.
I seem to recall Verstappen leading the table in points in 2015 plus one other year.
I think that's fair enough, we have to see whether Red Bull car 1 continues to be superior but as you've mentioned racing we have to accept that's what we pay to watch.
Looking at the result it was no mistake, looking at the incident, likewise. You can go back and forth on this but Hamilton took the door being open as his opportunity, Verstappen couldn't do anything about it other than to believe he could bully Hamilton off track or brake even harder. Instead Hamilton drew alongside with his front wing in full view, Hamilton braked harder to take the apex but Verstappen carried more speed and made contact, the Mercedes was never going to not be there to come into contact with. You can't in all honesty continue to believe it wasn't Verstappens mistake. OK you can but you're only kidding yourself. Did Verstappen believe for one monent going into Copse that he'd come off worse? No, he didn't expect to hit that barrier at 51G.
Obviously there is no talking over this with some people. There is a shot where Hamilton's front wing is okay, almost alongside, it wasn't ahead, it wasn't well behind, one wing was slightly ahead, one was slightly back but they overlapped, if you haven't seen that shot then you've not examined the footage to any extent to be able to discuss the incident. Verstappen knew, had sight of Hamilton being on his inside going into the corner, if he doesn't leave room, then with the outcome Verstappen has made the mistake, which he did.
Why? Because Max is an over aggressive driver who weaves around dangerously. Also forces other drivers to backout or crash. I.e. with Raikonnen, Vettel, Hamilton. We've been over this in the thread many times.
As I said, it is not backed up by any evidence. In fact the evidence points to the opposite.
You keep saying this and it's quite hilarious when you at the same time mention an incident where Hamilton was the overly aggressive one who went into a corner too fast on an unviable inside line causing him to miss the apex and hit the rear of the car on the racing line ahead and sent said car flying into the wall. And yes, Hamilton was predominantly at fault. Not Max. They're not equally at fault though the massive defence of Hamilton and sometimes even blatant blaming of Max would make it seem otherwise.
I think people here who are fans of one or the other driver need to recognise what racing in F1 is about and that's not always easy considering some of the processions we watch a lot of weekends.
Yeah.
It's a British fourm what do you expect ?
No where on here has said Max was sole to blame.
They're also not in equal machinery and at opposite ends of their careers. These comparisons are really hard in F1, and people should probably realize that more when arguing one way or another (i.e., be a bit less assured in their opinions).
