F1 2021 Season

Fluctuation0161 said:
:lol:

Anyone who resorts to putting "fact." After their own personal opinions really needs to look at themselves and their analytical skills.
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Same question, which one isn't a fact?

If you're going to die on this pathetic hill then at least be specific about what point is incorrect.
 
hobbers said:
Which one of those statements isn't a fact?

Stop embarrassing yourself with this incessant delusional whining.




Apparently your memory is shit.
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He went sideways into a tyre wall. Maybe your eyes are as bad as your opinions
 
The whole Max just walking away thing wouldn’t even be a big deal if this wasn’t crying so hard after Silverstone. Makes him look like a complete idiot
 
Zlatan 7 said:
He went sideways into a tyre wall. Maybe your eyes are as bad as your opinions
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Backwards and sideways. The rear of his car hit the wall first.

How demonically anal must you be to argue an irrelevant point about whether it's backwards or sideways or both? :lol: Embarrassing.


Fluctuation0161 said:
First 2 are assumptions. 3rd is incorrect.

If there is a hill you are dead in a ditch alongside it.
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Max was stood next to the Merc looking in at Lewis while he was trying to reverse out. It's not up for debate. What on earth is wrong with you people?! :lol::lol:

And Formula 1 drivers cannot see what their rear tyres are doing in the middle of a crash. Or do you think they have the ability to rotate their heads 180 degrees?
 
hobbers said:
Which one of those statements isn't a fact?

Stop embarrassing yourself with this incessant delusional whining.
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Again with the projection. The only person embarrassing themselves here is you, you've been called out by multiple people for passing off your own opinions as facts.

Genuinely dude, you need to take a step back and look into why you're so personally invested in Max being infallible. It's one thing to support a driver, it's another to turn a blind eye or even defend their bad behaviour.

It's all a bit Liverpool-fans-defending-Suarez from you at the moment, can't wait for you to post pictures posing in a t-shirt with Max's face on.
 
Took a look at Max's onboard, and I'm gonna say the same thing I said about Hamilton at Silverstone: I don't think from where he is to take the 2nd leg of the corner, at the speed he's at, that he's making the corner.

He maybe would've made it by braking mid corner and just generally driving a really terrible line that has him doing most of the car rotation way past where the apex is, but he's certainly not going to get it turned around soon enough to leave enough room for Hamilton to also stay on track whilst outside of him.
 
hobbers said:
Probably because he was stood right next to Lewis' car watching him try to reverse out. :lol:

As accidents go Silverstone was a massive crash. This was an awkward low speed crash. Trying to equate the two is absurd.
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No matter how much the two might not like each other (apparently), having your fly car inches from your opponents head after being to aggressive, only for the other driver to be saved by the halo from having his head knocked off, is not an awkward low speed crash, come on!!!

The public want to see and hear Max do the right thing there, and in my opinion Max was at fault.

Before you reply by saying you're saying that as a Hamilton supporter, I lived in Holland for over 10 years and have a huge love for the country - so the opinions are not coming from a Hamilton fan but from an F1 fan
 
We need an rvn said:
No matter how much the two might not like each other (apparently), having your fly car inches from your opponents head after being to aggressive, only for the other driver to be saved by the halo from having his head knocked off, is not an awkward low speed crash, come on!!!

The public want to see and hear Max do the right thing there, and in my opinion Max was at fault.

Before you reply by saying you're saying that as a Hamilton supporter, I lived in Holland for over 10 years and have a huge love for the country - so the opinions are not coming from a Hamilton fan but from an F1 fan
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Your last paragraph won't make any difference, you're talking to a religious zealot. Max could have aimed a kick at Lewis and he'd find a way to justify it, and anybody disagreeing would be a "deluded fanboy".
 
We need an rvn said:
No matter how much the two might not like each other (apparently), having your fly car inches from your opponents head after being to aggressive, only for the other driver to be saved by the halo from having his head knocked off, is not an awkward low speed crash, come on!!!

The public want to see and hear Max do the right thing there, and in my opinion Max was at fault.

Before you reply by saying you're saying that as a Hamilton supporter, I lived in Holland for over 10 years and have a huge love for the country - so the opinions are not coming from a Hamilton fan but from an F1 fan
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We love you too!
 
Shane88 said:
As a casual F1 fan, why were people against the halo?
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/27/max-verstappen-formula-one-drivers-against-halo-system

Useful article there, showing that some objected to it on aesthetic grounds, some just viewed it as unlikely to make a difference and some were worried about the small reduction in visibility (including Grosjean whose life was saved by the halo last year). Interestingly, Hamilton had already switched his view before it was introduced because of the FIA tests proving its effectiveness.
 
Max to blame for me. He has to yield or go over the corner and then give the place back.

I certainly don’t think he’d ever intentionally try and take him out though. If that was remotely true, he should never drive again. These drivers put their lives in each other’s hands and none would ever be reckless enough to purposely take another out… surely.

I think it’s Max’s fault, as I say, but I think it’ll be ruled as a racing incident
 
Even some drivers were doubtful of the Halo at first - but I think it's fair to say with some of the incidents we've had since it was fitted, NOBODY should be doubting it anymore.
 
hobbers said:
I've been called out by a couple of salty fanboys who apparently can't argue a point to save their lives.

Genuinely dude, there's a lot of interesting aspects to debate about this race but you and a couple of others are focussing on some bizarre moral grandstanding argument based on false premises. It's a bit pitiable and very tedious.
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:lol:
 
Rado_N said:
Jesus this thread is like peak Messi vs Ronaldo thread in terms of pettiness and childish arguments.
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It's brutal stuff.

Everything these days seems to turn into a tribal binary thing with no sensible middle ground or civilised debate.
Everyone has to win their argument at all costs
 
17Larsson said:
It's brutal stuff.

Everything these days seems to turn into a tribal binary thing with no sensible middle ground or civilised debate.
Everyone has to win their argument at all costs
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I think we need an “Is the F1 thread safe to go into yet?” thread.

Spoiler: no.
 
We need an rvn said:
having your fly car inches from your opponents head after being to aggressive, only for the other driver to be saved by the halo from having his head knocked off, is not an awkward low speed crash, come on!!!
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From Max's perspective it absolutely is a very low speed crash.

His helmet is bolted into a HANS, he cannot turn and see what's going on at the rear of his car. It's completely impossible for him to know how close Lewis came to having a tyre squash him.
 
hobbers said:
Of course he can, Max is just as egotistical and spoilt as all top F1 drivers tend to be.

I'm just not frothing at the mouth for him walking past a car that's revving and moving and not leaning in to check on a driver who is obviously fine. It's a 15mph crash and Max will have no way of knowing where his rear wheel went.

Trying to use that as a stick to beat him with is pretty pathetic fanboyism tbh.
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hobbers said:
Not opinions, objective facts.

Max was stood next to Lewis in his car trying to drive away. Fact. He can see he's fine. Fact. He didn't see his tyre hit Lewis' helmet. Fact.

In Silverstone Max went backwards into a wall at 180mph. Fact.


If you can't accept the above it's maybe a sign you're a bit of a deluded fanboy.
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hobbers said:
I've been called out by a couple of salty fanboys who apparently can't argue a point to save their lives.

Genuinely dude, there's a lot of interesting aspects to debate about this race but you and a couple of others are focussing on some bizarre moral grandstanding argument based on false premises. It's a bit pitiable and very tedious.
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Just looking through the last couple of pages, you do use that word a lot more than anyone else. One hell of a glass house.
 
sewey89 said:
Max to blame for me. He has to yield or go over the corner and then give the place back.

I certainly don’t think he’d ever intentionally try and take him out though. If that was remotely true, he should never drive again. These drivers put their lives in each other’s hands and none would ever be reckless enough to purposely take another out… surely.

I think it’s Max’s fault, as I say, but I think it’ll be ruled as a racing incident
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That’s pretty much it, I wouldn’t be surprised if he got a grid penalty though. After what di resta was saying about Lewis leaving him room just after the 1st corner both would probably have been aided if Lewis shut him off completely making him go through the corner instead, because we all know if max sees the slightest of gaps he’ll try it.


Adam-Utd said:
Even some drivers were doubtful of the Halo at first - but I think it's fair to say with some of the incidents we've had since it was fitted, NOBODY should be doubting it anymore.
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Yeah it’s saved a lot of lives since it has come in, didn’t it save alonso a few years ago with it holding the weight of the car on it, when it first came in I was more in favour of the Indy car one with the screen.
 
The move was never really on for Max but if it was any other drivers we wouldn’t be talking about it being anything other than a racing incident.

If drivers stopped attempting slightly risky overtakes how boring would F1 be?
 
Looking forward to watching it back later. Had to drop someone off at the airport and caught five laps on my phone while they were checking in. Just happened to see the crash.

I thought it was more Max’s fault live, but didn’t really see a proper replay. It seemed like Lewis had every right to that line and Max just expected to be waved through, despite being behind.
 
Dan said:
Verstappen with a bit more patience might have overtaken Hamilton by the next chicane.
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i would say the very opposite, Hamilton on mediums had a good chance to get Verstappen. He was on the hards, i doubt he would have passed a MERC on the mediums.
 
christy87 said:
That’s pretty much it, I wouldn’t be surprised if he got a grid penalty though. After what di resta was saying about Lewis leaving him room just after the 1st corner both would probably have been aided if Lewis shut him off completely making him go through the corner instead, because we all know if max sees the slightest of gaps he’ll try it.



Yeah it’s saved a lot of lives since it has come in, didn’t it save alonso a few years ago with it holding the weight of the car on it, when it first came in I was more in favour of the Indy car one with the screen.
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Yeah he had a crash at Spa where a car landed on his head and took a big chunk out of the halo.
 
wattsy7 said:
The move was never really on for Max but if it was any other drivers we wouldn’t be talking about it being anything other than a racing incident.

If drivers stopped attempting slightly risky overtakes how boring would F1 be?
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F1 is a VERY thin line between a good pass and a bad one. It's very difficult to judge which a lot of instances are called racing incidents.

On this occasion though Max should have never even attempted it, the risk was far too high.
 
hobbers said:
Probably because he was stood right next to Lewis' car watching him try to reverse out. :lol:

As accidents go Silverstone was a massive crash. This was an awkward low speed crash. Trying to equate the two is absurd.
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Yup - just a low speed crash - nothing to see here...

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hobbers said:
Because it's accurate and it clearly annoys the hell out of the people it applies to.

I'm just a simple Norris fan who likes playing devils advocate in a thread where the balance is always tilted by spoilt whiny Hamilton fans.
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:lol:

So transparent. But not because of your glass house.

Edit: those bloody fanboy stewards.
 
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