F1 2021 Season

Will be interesting to see how much more aggressive some drivers are this weekend.

I forsee the likes of Alonso to really push the limit now.
 
Horner still bleating about Silverstone , FFS man let it go.
He is taking the shine off the season , Mercedes are faster then RB and have been since Silverstone and he is saying in not so many words, they are cheating.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Will be interesting to see how much more aggressive some drivers are this weekend.

I forsee the likes of Alonso to really push the limit now.
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That's a timely name to drop. F1 just posted that scrap between Alonso and Hamilton a few GPs back. Alonso really is a master of making his car wide. Now it's going to be ultra wide.
 
RepardReece said:
It's really quite sad, I was never a fan of Red Bull in the first place but Horner's constant whining and Max's overly aggressive driving has really made me hate that team. Really hope they bottle it.
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I've never partiularly been a Hamilton fan for some reason (best car most of the time stuff like that) but I really hope he wins it this year now. Max is heading into Schumacher territory of win at all costs even being dangerous whenever needed so I hope he grows up soon. He is being badly led by Horner and it shows.

Hamilton's display last weekend was superb and might have converted me. No bitching about everything not going his way just foot down and produce the goods.
 
F1 has become even more of a joke than it ever was under Bernie. SPA now this. Fecking joke of a championship now. Said they couldn't do anything without the right evidence, and now that they have it they aren't doing anything because, well, they said they couldn't do anything when they didn't have the evidence.
 
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The Cat said:
I've never partiularly been a Hamilton fan for some reason (best car most of the time stuff like that) but I really hope he wins it this year now. Max is heading into Schumacher territory of win at all costs even being dangerous whenever needed so I hope he grows up soon. He is being badly led by Horner and it shows.
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Max is Max, that is who he is. Nothing to do with Horner. He's always been brave and aggressive.
 
Is it any wonder why Max drives like a madman? He never seems to be punished for it, mainly because the other drivers are forced to get out of his way.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
No review in to Max, full expected it and it sends out the wrong message to the rest of the grid.
Horner clearly things it is right, Totto fully expected it.
I expect to seem more of what Max did.
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So no more overtaking round the outside then.

So inconsistent considering the punishment Lewis got at Silverstone.

Terrible decision. Demolition Derby awaits...
 
Mickeza said:
This is allegedly what Horner is talking about:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEZOuBWWQAEFtda?format=jpg
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Wouldnt like to be the former employee of merc who is now at red bull (as there cant be many who have gone from one to another this year) as I suspect he must have signed some NDA's

good article to revist here
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...alking-about-them.3NeugNG480UtFMzy77XKiQ.html


What is the issue?
The rules (Article 3.8 of the Technical Regulations specifically) dictate that all components influencing a car’s aerodynamic performance – such as front and rear wings – must be “rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car” and “remain immobile in relation to the sprung part of the car”.
In other words, moveable (or flexible) aerodynamic devices are not allowed – save for the DRS – because in theory they can offer a performance gain.


To make sure parts are not flexing (or moving) under aerodynamic load, the FIA puts wings through load and deflection tests. If a part fails the test, it can’t be used.
However, the FIA “reserves the right to introduce further load/deflection tests on any part of the bodywork which appears to be (or is suspected of) moving whilst the car is in motion”. And earlier this month, without accusing anyone of breaking the rules, the FIA issued a technical directive stating that the load tests would be changing.
Lewis Hamilton said in Spain that “the Red Bulls are really fast on the straights. They have this bendy wing on the back of their car"
Why has it come up now?
Some teams believe that the rear wings on rival cars are flexing too much this season which could in theory provide a small performance advantage – with world champion Lewis Hamilton saying in Spain that “the Red Bulls are really fast on the straights. They have this bendy wing on the back of their car which they put on today and they gained at least three-tenths from this wing”.
In response to that, Red Bull boss Christian Horner said: “I saw the comment. Of course the car is scrutineered thoroughly and there's fallback tests, all kinds of different tests it has to pass.
READ MORE: FIA to introduce new tests on Formula 1 rear wings from June
After Hamilton's comments in Spain, Red Bull Christian Horner said the FIA were "completely happy" with the Red Bull car
“The FIA are completely happy with the car, that it's passed all of those tests that are pretty stringent so I was surprised to see his comments on that.
“But it's something that Toto [Wolff] has mentioned to me previously, so I doubt it was Lewis' opinion. It probably came from elsewhere.”
It’s worth noting from the outset that no team has failed a deflection test, but some teams – including Mercedes, who are locked in a tight title fight with Red Bull – are unhappy because they believe that such flex contravenes the rules.
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So realistically even if Red Bull complain and the FIA think they have point the likley outcome is that they announce a new test for wings

Likley that red bull complain this weekend and will be looking at evey bit of footage and *** to support a claim so that if they are successful merc have to redesign their wing for the last 2 gp's

merc however may be confident that what they are doing is legal and that either the FIA will not have a problem with it or that the wing will pass any additional tests
 
It’s annoying that F1 needs a new champ to break up the Hamilton dominance and it’s going to be these smeglords.
 
sun_tzu said:
Wouldnt like to be the former employee of merc who is now at red bull (as there cant be many who have gone from one to another this year) as I suspect he must have signed some NDA's

good article to revist here
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...alking-about-them.3NeugNG480UtFMzy77XKiQ.html




So realistically even if Red Bull complain and the FIA think they have point the likley outcome is that they announce a new test for wings

Likley that red bull complain this weekend and will be looking at evey bit of footage and *** to support a claim so that if they are successful merc have to redesign their wing for the last 2 gp's

merc however may be confident that what they are doing is legal and that either the FIA will not have a problem with it or that the wing will pass any additional tests
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Even when they announced the new tests for the wing flex earlier in the season they gave a few races notice didn’t they? I don’t see how this gets solved before the end. I think this track is a RB one though so it may all be irrelevant if max wins Sunday anyway. Horner has said he doesn’t think it’ll have much impact here - it’s the final two races where they’re expecting Mercedes to be unraceable.
 
It already feels inevitable that Merc will punished for whatever RB moan about :lol:
 
Never watch any of the FP sessions but thought I’d take a peak at FP2. This track looks pretty even for the cars. Some fast sweeping corners and not actually too many straights.

I’m failing to see any overtake spots though. I fear this race could be a procession, unless some intriguing tyre strategy comes into play.
 
sun_tzu said:
You mean like when Senna was disqualified and lost the title in 1989 in sazuka

Or when Schumacher tried to take out villneuve and got disqualified from the whole championship in 1997
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Or when Schumacher won the title in 94 or the other title senna won with a collision. Selective facts don't help
 
I hope the Red Bull breaks down every race that Max is there. Never met a more self righteous hypocritical cnut of a duo than Horner and his ego.
 
elmo said:
I hope the Red Bull breaks down every race that Max is there. Never met a more self righteous hypocritical cnut of a duo than Horner and his ego.
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It's pretty telling that the usual Max defenders haven't been out in force this week.
 
I must say I'm quite shocked by the level of surprise in here. To me it was pretty obvious they weren't going to change the "on field" decision made at the track. It was the wrong decision made but there's nothing significantly new to have them overturn the decision of the stewards. Stewards messed up and hopefully it won't happen again
 
Horner on Sky again , going on about the straight-line speed of the Mercedes.
Sick of hearing him moan about it.
Grow a set and put a protest in.
He is all but saying they are cheating, time to put his claims to the test.
I can see this WC being decided after the Final race in the courts.
 
elmo said:
I hope the Red Bull breaks down every race that Max is there. Never met a more self righteous hypocritical cnut of a duo than Horner and his ego.
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Have to say that this would also make me smile.
Any respect for Max and his RB team has been completely eroded.
I just hope that this will energiese Lewis to win the last 3 races. To quote Kevin Keegan, I would luv it.
 
Buster15 said:
Each and every team and their drivers should be entitled to do exactly as Max has done. And that spells danger and so the FIA really do have to stop sitting on their hands and take back control.
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Yeah, there was a good post by @telstar96 on that on the previous page.
telstar96 said:
For me, since Max gained an advantage by going off track, the FIA should've asked him to hand over the position to Lewis. Since they decided to do nothing, it's tricky to come back and penalise Max retrospectively. How do you assess what is a fair penalty? A grid pen? Retrospective 5 seconds? Even, if you think Max deserves a penalty, the fact that the FIA didn't intervene has major repercussions.

After Lewis passed Max, the latter cruised to the finish, with his gap to Bottas going from 10 to 3 seconds. Obviously a penalty would impact the result, but then is it fair and in the spirit of the sport to penalise someone so late after the fact, especially when certain decisions were made (like Max cruising to the finish) based on the fact the FIA said there would be no action. Furthermore, now you have drivers like Leclerc, who've come out and said they would race differently, based on how the FIA judged the Brazilian GP. This is bad precedent the FIA have set, and I wouldn't be surprised if we see some outrageous driving towards the backend of the season.

Personally, I would rather the FIA move on from this situation with no penalty, but add more clarification to the sporting regulations. A lot of the decisions are at the discretion of stewards, which just allows for too many subjective takes. I'm convinced they allow for more leniency with drivers that are competing for the win, as opposed to those in the midfield. Tsunoda's penalty at the Brazilian GP is probably the best example of this.
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telstar96 said:
For me, since Max gained an advantage by going off track, the FIA should've asked him to hand over the position to Lewis. Since they decided to do nothing, it's tricky to come back and penalise Max retrospectively. How do you assess what is a fair penalty? A grid pen? Retrospective 5 seconds? Even, if you think Max deserves a penalty, the fact that the FIA didn't intervene has major repercussions.

After Lewis passed Max, the latter cruised to the finish, with his gap to Bottas going from 10 to 3 seconds. Obviously a penalty would impact the result, but then is it fair and in the spirit of the sport to penalise someone so late after the fact, especially when certain decisions were made (like Max cruising to the finish) based on the fact the FIA said there would be no action. Furthermore, now you have drivers like Leclerc, who've come out and said they would race differently, based on how the FIA judged the Brazilian GP. This is bad precedent the FIA have set, and I wouldn't be surprised if we see some outrageous driving towards the backend of the season.

Personally, I would rather the FIA move on from this situation with no penalty, but add more clarification to the sporting regulations. A lot of the decisions are at the discretion of stewards, which just allows for too many subjective takes. I'm convinced they allow for more leniency with drivers that are competing for the win, as opposed to those in the midfield. Tsunoda's penalty at the Brazilian GP is probably the best example of this.
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Good post
 
telstar96 said:
For me, since Max gained an advantage by going off track, the FIA should've asked him to hand over the position to Lewis. Since they decided to do nothing, it's tricky to come back and penalise Max retrospectively. How do you assess what is a fair penalty? A grid pen? Retrospective 5 seconds? Even, if you think Max deserves a penalty, the fact that the FIA didn't intervene has major repercussions.

After Lewis passed Max, the latter cruised to the finish, with his gap to Bottas going from 10 to 3 seconds. Obviously a penalty would impact the result, but then is it fair and in the spirit of the sport to penalise someone so late after the fact, especially when certain decisions were made (like Max cruising to the finish) based on the fact the FIA said there would be no action. Furthermore, now you have drivers like Leclerc, who've come out and said they would race differently, based on how the FIA judged the Brazilian GP. This is bad precedent the FIA have set, and I wouldn't be surprised if we see some outrageous driving towards the backend of the season.

Personally, I would rather the FIA move on from this situation with no penalty, but add more clarification to the sporting regulations. A lot of the decisions are at the discretion of stewards, which just allows for too many subjective takes. I'm convinced they allow for more leniency with drivers that are competing for the win, as opposed to those in the midfield. Tsunoda's penalty at the Brazilian GP is probably the best example of this.
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Agree with the others, good post. I do however disagree with Max cruising. It's a race at the end of the day and if they did go back for a 5-second penalty it's his own damn fault for not racing. My perspective anyhow
 
I think it's clear that the FIA don't tend to review sporting decisions from the race or on track. They only tend to have a review of decisions / uphold decisions of technical reasons more than sporting ones. I think they're creating a rod for their own back based on the original decision though in that we're seeing drivers now (Leclerc) making statements that they'll change their driving style if this is the precedence set in the decision making process by running drivers on the outside wide during overtakes. Either way the FIA don't come out of this smelling of roses.

I think we'll see a different race steward approach to this weekend though, everything will be done by the book when it comes to sporting decisions on track. The embarrassment of not having the footage to access to make the decisions won't be an excuse we see this weekend.
 
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