Verminator
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Masi got his entertaining last lap.
Now, you can sort the correct winner.
Now, you can sort the correct winner.
And that’s just TV, each year I take my child to Silverstone and it’s £500+ for the two of us just for tickets, never mind accommodation, its a dream one day to go to a foreign weekend, it’s a ridiculously expensive sport to follow for the average fan. And days like today just make it even more sour that they’re playing up to the one day quick drama fan.Leaving free-to-air TV has definitely done that.
And I'm amazed that it's continued on satellite TV as long as it has. The viewership is paltry.
And the person they are running against was allowed to eat some glucose sachets just before the sprint.Imagine a marathon runner 5 minutes ahead gets told to stop with 200 meters to go and it's a sprint finish to decide the winner.
That's what I'm saying though, events like this put it more in the public consciousness. Right or wrong decision, Twitter is popping off, Reddit going mad, here going crazy...it'll monopolize the papers for a while.
Its a long road back to the halcyon days of Eddie Irvine and Ralf Schumacher but events like these are how you get there.
The exact reason why I lost interest too. Specifically the 2009 season, when in reality Ross Brawn won the title, rather than Jenson Button. Button won 6 of the first seven races and then didn't win another race in the next 10, with only two podiums in the final 10 races.I used to watch F1 religiously as a child, Mansell, Senna, Prost, was great excitement. I lost interest over time as it became more of an engineering competition.
Now I can't get the mental picture of olympic walking with a safety walker wearing a yellow flashing light on his head out of my headAnd the person they are running against was allowed to eat some glucose sachets just before the sprint.
Which they did because they didn’t want to finish under a safety car. Which I get. But if they want to artificially go racing in that scenario then it would have been less egregious to red flag. Then at least it’s a fair fight. Whatever the rules, fundamentally Lewis’ brilliant race to that point was completely wiped out. On a macro level, that’s what is just wrong. Max wouldn’t have even been close without the safety car. So to end up in that scenario, with a huge advantage (insurmountable really), is just incorrect.Yeah, but that would've been a bit artificial also I think. It was exactly the kind of incident that usually is a full Safety Car but no more. Car crashed not too hard but is stranded on the racing line + debris strewn around. If it had happened 2-3 laps earlier we'd just have to accept that RB gets massively lucky, but what was messed up was the FIA not following prescribed procedure to end the SC.
Yup...the worst option though wS allowing the unlapped cars only between max and Lewis to overtake and setting up a turkey shoot into the last few cornersHow far back were the other unlapped cars? I saw some were in the pit and almost a minute behind. I’d have hated to see it finish under a safety car. A red flag was probably the best option.
Hes been embarrassing all season for me.I thought Masi’s answer at the end was pretty embarrassing tbh. A race director should be saying stuff like well I used this rule or this was the reason I did it . To say well it’s motor racing is just for the cameras & in poor taste
That line basically states; forget the last 20+ races, this is the only race that matters. As a Hamilton fan, I'm utterly disgusted by the decision, but at least I can accept Verstappen has beenstanding this season. He and Hamilton have both been 20+ seconds ahead of the rest in so many races this season. He deserves the championship, as would Lewis if he won. I can't remember that decision for Chelsea unfortunately, but they were probably DESERVING of the title that season, whether they SHOULD have won it is another question.When Drogba scored an offside goal at Old Trafford that won the title for Chelsea, it wasn't his fault that the linesman didn't apply the rules correctly. At the end of the day, he scored a goal that was given as legal.
Max has driven brilliantly when he was in the faster car, Lewis has done the same. The idea of "whoever wins this race deserves the title" only works if this race wasn't a robbery.
Well stated.Look, the title isn’t won in one race. So over a season, Max has done amazingly well and is deserving of his title just as Lewis would have been. Let’s get that straight as I think it’s fair.
But, the way this race has ended is just not right. If they wanted to reset and let them race they should have red flagged it. The way it was done wiped out a lead Lewis had worked on for the whole race to build. And it isn’t a strategy call because Lewis couldn’t have pitted. If he had, Max might not have and then what happens if they don’t start racing again? He loses. Turned out to work against them, but as I said all along I just wanted this race to be won on merit. In the end all of Hamilton’s work was undone because of dubious decisions and bad luck.
I'm not saying it is Max's fault. I'm saying the finish has been a farce and an unjust one. Especially today which takes away the integrity of the sport.Again, not Max's fault. He's not the one making that decision. He deserves the championship there's no arguing that. Whether they should have won is a different question, take away these results and sure, Lewis should be winning.
My argument here is both Max and Lewis have deserved this championship as my original post states.
I'll make myself clear, I absolutely cannot stand Max and my post history in this thread show that. But he's fully deserving of being a champion this year.
They can't change it now. Would be even worse for F1.Surely they’re not going to change anything to do with result? Would probably outdo what went on in that final lap![]()
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Going off what we have seen today anything is possible in this sportSurely they’re not going to change anything to do with result? Would probably outdo what went on in that final lap![]()
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This is the most bizarre view in this thread given everything that has happened since the end of a race. A joke of an opinion. Sorry but it’s true.Delighted for Max, Hamilton is a great driver but a total baby when it comes to sportsmanship.
And that’s just TV, each year I take my child to Silverstone and it’s £500+ for the two of us just for tickets, never mind accommodation, its a dream one day to go to a foreign weekend, it’s a ridiculously expensive sport to follow for the average fan. And days like today just make it even more sour that they’re playing up to the one day quick drama fan.
I take it you didn't see his interview and him and his dad congratulating Max and Jos?Delighted for Max, Hamilton is a great driver but a total baby when it comes to sportsmanship.
Delighted for Max, Hamilton is a great driver but a total baby when it comes to sportsmanship.
I think you may have missed his post race interview congratulating max.Delighted for Max, Hamilton is a great driver but a total baby when it comes to sportsmanship.
So you're saying, after watching the entire season, Max doesn't deserve it? Come on man get a grip, both he and Lewis have been far and above everyone else this season.I'm not saying it is Max's fault. I'm saying the finish has been a farce and an unjust one. Especially today which takes away the integrity of the sport.
How can a championship be deserved when it is handed to you on a plate in the last last by the FIA not following the rules?
It was a gift from the FIA who also let Max get away with brake checking in the last race with no serious penalty. The brake checking was Maxs fault, as has been his dangerous driving too.
I was a big Hamilton fan when he was against Alonso and Rosberg and Vettel but I think if I'd read this thread during those eras I wouldn't have been.
Toys out the pram then.
Maybe Merc should make a championship with only Merc cars Merc engines and Merc sponsored drivers. Then they can never lose.
If we forget championship context and its just another race, another guy who would have an argument about the race end is Sainz. Because he was in 3rd but race direction let Ricciardo and Bottas be in between him and Verstappen in 2nd. You could argue that from 3rd your chance to win it was denied the way procedure went.
That line basically states; forget the last 20+ races, this is the only race that matters. As a Hamilton fan, I'm utterly disgusted by the decision, but at least I can accept Verstappen has beenstanding this season. He and Hamilton have both been 20+ seconds ahead of the rest in so many races this season. He deserves the championship, as would Lewis if he won. I can't remember that decision for Chelsea unfortunately, but they were probably DESERVING of the title that season, whether they SHOULD have won it is another question.
Delighted for Max, Hamilton is a great driver but a total baby when it comes to sportsmanship.
This is the most bizarre view in this thread given everything that has happened since the end of a race. A joke of an opinion. Sorry but it’s true.