You may be right, but I cant post what I really think of his post.
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i’ll still watch it next year like the little bitch i am.
I think you just did
So basically Lewis would just be gifted the race win, because in any of the scenarios that follows the rules, he does win? Can that be done?
Could have done with that a few weeks back, mind you, they still would have scored the next goal 4 players down.
We both know that the rear wing issue did nothing at all to change that qualifying. So surely given where this season is now, we can just stop trying to score those points in debates?
They did make that last lap a race, but not competitive.
Horner asked for it before the end, and basically confirmed it afterwords on live tv. I think that'll come up again.
that’s what they’d like to do, they’re just asking horner if he’s ok with that or if he would like a different outcome.
What happened at the restart today with both leading cars literally side-by-side absolutely does not happen 'all the time'.
All outcomes are now equally shit from F1's point of view. As others have said, I expect Masi will do a Stratton and the FIA will consider that to be that. Then maybe CAS for months.
It was only on one side of the wing though - so it would have been unbalanced.
Feck knows it can be done. But I disagree with your notion here of “gifting” him the win. In many ways, what happened gifted Max the win. Yes I know he still had to overtake, but if we are just being honest and not trying to score points in a debate, Max wins in that scenario 99 times out of 100.
Who’d win in a fight?
Horner-Toto. I think everything else being equal Toto batters him but suspect Horner would have a mate with a knife behind him.
Max-Lewis. Reckon easy win for Max.
Horner-Toto. I think everything else being equal Toto batters him but suspect Horner would have a mate with a knife behind him.
Max-Lewis. Reckon easy win for Max.
Will there be a decision tonight or is it going to drag on?
I see Mercedes are gracious in defeat.
If they don’t find anything in the ‘overtake’, which feels like it should be pretty black and white, then what can they actually do?
They can’t punish Max for the the FIA imposing the rules incorrectly, surely?
They can’t punish Max for the the FIA imposing the rules incorrectly, surely?
The only way Max wins the title is the FIA not following their own rules, not even bending them, legitimately ignoring them.
If Latifi doesn't crash Hamilton wins, if the SC rules are applied by the book, Hamilton wins.
It honestly feels like the FIA saw the opportunity for a headline historic finish and scored a complete own goal. In a sport that has reams of rules, it's pretty amazing they just went "nah, they don't matter now".
Should have thrown the red flag, 5 lap sprint and yes had Hamilton lost you would say he's unlucky but at least he had a chance. The FIA have created an absolute circus out of what was an epic season long battle, I expected nothing less.
If Latifi doesn't crash Hamilton wins, if the SC rules are applied by the book, Hamilton wins.
It honestly feels like the FIA saw the opportunity for a headline historic finish and scored a complete own goal. In a sport that has reams of rules, it's pretty amazing they just went "nah, they don't matter now".
Should have thrown the red flag, 5 lap sprint and yes had Hamilton lost you would say he's unlucky but at least he had a chance. The FIA have created an absolute circus out of what was an epic season long battle, I expected nothing less.
Hard to compare technical and sporting regulations.
Rumour is Mercedes are taking it to the CAS. Then it'll drag on for months.
Well we absolutely do not know that. There's a reason DRS wings are checked so often and with such precision. The more open the flap the faster you go.
But that's by the by. There's always been a difference in applying technical regulations and racing regulations. One is not open to interpretation and nuance and the other always has been.
It will drag on for many months. This is almost certainly going to CAS.
They had the race wrapped up and Red Bull said it needed a miracle. Then the rules were broken causing them to lose. Why would they be gracious.
Yeah, I should really rephrase that, under the rules, Lewis would win and he's been robbed.
I think the other thread has been made for you and comments like this
Did you watch the race and the interviews? Or are you being sarcastic based on Sky’s breaking news banner?
They’re well within their rights to protest.. anyone would.
The latest from Abu Dhabi
Sky Sports News' Craig Slater
"Both teams were summoned to the stewards, then they were given a little bit of a break and they were instructed to go back and get their evidence together. This is a continuation of that earlier meeting.
"We could have a decision from the stewards, whether or not they uphold or don't Mercedes' protest, tonight. Mercedes would then have licence via FIA protocols to go via their appeals procedure, but only until Thursday as I understand it because the Prize Giving Ceremony at the FIAto crown the world champion is the cut-off point for all of that.
There would be further recourse via the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Mercedes do think the more serious of the two matters, os the issue of the protocols not being followed. They think that last lap should not have occurred.
"Key to this could be how much discretion Michael Masi had personally to make these calls or to judge when a situation is right or wrong within the framework of the rules."
Sky Sports News' Craig Slater
"Both teams were summoned to the stewards, then they were given a little bit of a break and they were instructed to go back and get their evidence together. This is a continuation of that earlier meeting.
"We could have a decision from the stewards, whether or not they uphold or don't Mercedes' protest, tonight. Mercedes would then have licence via FIA protocols to go via their appeals procedure, but only until Thursday as I understand it because the Prize Giving Ceremony at the FIAto crown the world champion is the cut-off point for all of that.
There would be further recourse via the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Mercedes do think the more serious of the two matters, os the issue of the protocols not being followed. They think that last lap should not have occurred.
"Key to this could be how much discretion Michael Masi had personally to make these calls or to judge when a situation is right or wrong within the framework of the rules."
I feel like Wolff's height gives him the advantage here, unless Red Bull makes you piss longer...
I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlier
Is it a punishment if he only got into this position through their feck up?
Like VAR taking away a brillant goal scored after a legit foul the ref ignored
Exactly, if you look at his previous cases you see he’s very good at what he does.The Merc lawyer is the bloke who got City out of their FFP ban?
This is going to be some shit
Alright then. I tried to engage in a reasonable debate but no.
Irony.
What can you do, when you on heat, you on heat.
I imagine this will drag on and on until Thursday (which is the line in the sand), whatever happens tonight will no doubt be appealed.
Awful race management. Masi simply had to finish under safety car or have the final lap without the unlapping. He wanted to make a final lap headline more than follow the rules of the sport. Regardless of outcome the rules need to be more rigid, it is crazy that the team principles can talk to the race director during the race. Listening to RB saying "we just need one racing lap" leaves a very bad taste.
A one on one 15 laps tomorrow is how this should be settled
They weren't side by side at the restart. They were side by side on a corner two turns before the restart.
Which does happen often, at least somewhere through the field. Watch any safety car restart when the leader starts backing up the pack, especially on tracks with a lot of corners before the main straight.