pauldyson1uk
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You may be right, but I cant post what I really think of his post.I think you’re giving him too much credit to be honest.
You may be right, but I cant post what I really think of his post.I think you’re giving him too much credit to be honest.
How many that are commenting regarding what will happen are actually still watching sky f1?
Been interesting hearing the discussion on there last few minutes, it's definitely up in the air right now from what I am hearing.
I think you just didYou may be right, but I cant post what I really think of his post.
Broadly there were two ways the rule could be applied while under the safety car.
If they don't let any cars through, Hamilton wins the race in pretty much every scenario.
If they let all the cars through, the race finishes under the safety car and Hamilton still wins.
The obvious problem is that neither side can be 100% sure of the outcome in the first scenario, but considering the winning margin was just over 2 seconds, and it appeared that Hamilton backed off towards the end of the final lap, I'd say it leans in his favour quite considerably.
Edit: what @Leg-End said
So basically Lewis would just be gifted the race win, because in any of the scenarios that follows the rules, he does win? Can that be done?The logical steps (in my mind) if they decided to correct would be:
- The error was only allowing some of the lapped cars through.
- Even when they did, the rules state that the safety car should be in the next lap, not the lap it happens.
- In which case Hamilton would have been at the front and ergo would have won.
If they decide the act, it’s not about handing Lewis the win. It’s playing the steps of what would have happened, I guess.
Could have done with that a few weeks back, mind you, they still would have scored the next goal 4 players down.There's no football comparison I can think of. It would be like a team winning 5-0 and the officials deciding to send four players off from the winning team and making it next goal winner.
We both know that the rear wing issue did nothing at all to change that qualifying. So surely given where this season is now, we can just stop trying to score those points in debates?Yeah and that falls into the same category as Seb's fueltank leak disqualifying him.
Although you could actually argue that a 0.2mm wider DRS might have given him an advantage in qualifying, since no one can be sure at what point the DRS flap started failing.
I think plenty of people had mentally resigned already around lap 52-53 when it was clear Verstappen couldn't close the gap fast enough. If the race had ended under a Safety Car I don't think there'd have been as much outrage. This really does have an artificial feel over it, as if they just had to make the last lap competitive.
So basically Lewis would just be gifted the race win? Can that be done?
that’s what they’d like to do, they’re just asking horner if he’s ok with that or if he would like a different outcome.
No it doesn't matter. Cars being alongside each other under a safety car happens all the time, and two cars alongside each other going around a corner means technically there's going to be instances where the car behind is fractionally ahead, without passing.
Lewis was about 0.6s ahead at the restart.
So basically Lewis would just be gifted the race win? Can that be done?
that’s what they’d like to do, they’re just asking horner if he’s ok with that or if he would like a different outcome.
It was only on one side of the wing though - so it would have been unbalanced.Yeah and that falls into the same category as Seb's fueltank leak disqualifying him. Technical regulations have always been different to racing regulations.
Although you could actually argue that a 0.2mm wider DRS might have given him an advantage in qualifying, since no one can be sure at what point the DRS flap started failing.
Feck knows it can be done. But I disagree with your notion here of “gifting” him the win. In many ways, what happened gifted Max the win. Yes I know he still had to overtake, but if we are just being honest and not trying to score points in a debate, Max wins in that scenario 99 times out of 100.So basically Lewis would just be gifted the race win, because in any of the scenarios that follows the rules, he does win? Can that be done?
that’s what they’d like to do, they’re just asking horner if he’s ok with that or if he would like a different outcome.
that’s what they’d like to do, they’re just asking horner if he’s ok with that or if he would like a different outcome.
Hard to compare technical and sporting regulations.Not that I disagree, but it's not the line they used when Lewis DRS was 0.2mm too wide
Will there be a decision tonight or is it going to drag on?
We both know that the rear wing issue did nothing at all to change that qualifying. So surely given where this season is now, we can just stop trying to score those points in debates?
Will there be a decision tonight or is it going to drag on?
They had the race wrapped up and Red Bull said it needed a miracle. Then the rules were broken causing them to lose. Why would they be gracious.I see Mercedes are gracious in defeat.
Yeah, I should really rephrase that, under the rules, Lewis would win and he's been robbed.Feck knows it can be done. But I disagree with your notion here of “gifting” him the win. In many ways, what happened gifted Max the win. Yes I know he still had to overtake, but if we are just being honest and not trying to score points in a debate, Max wins in that scenario 99 times out of 100.
I think the other thread has been made for you and comments like thisI see Mercedes are gracious in defeat.
I see Mercedes are gracious in defeat.
I feel like Wolff's height gives him the advantage here, unless Red Bull makes you piss longer...there’s only one way to resolve this fairly. wolff, horner, hamilton, verstappen all stand on the start/finish line and see who can piss the furthest.
that’s what they’d like to do, they’re just asking horner if he’s ok with that or if he would like a different outcome.
I was thinking the EXACT same thing earlierThis is like how I felt when I thought an act of God (pandemic) would stop Liverpool winning the title. It didn't.
Is it a punishment if he only got into this position through their feck up?If they don’t find anything in the ‘overtake’, which feels like it should be pretty black and white, then what can they actually do?
They can’t punish Max for the the FIA imposing the rules incorrectly, surely?
Exactly, if you look at his previous cases you see he’s very good at what he does.The Merc lawyer is the bloke who got City out of their FFP ban?
This is going to be some shit![]()
Alright then. I tried to engage in a reasonable debate but no.Well we absolutely do not know that. There's a reason DRS wings are checked so often and with such precision. The more open the flap the faster you go.
But that's by the by. There's always been a difference in applying technical regulations and racing regulations. One is not open to interpretation and nuance and the other always has been.
I see Mercedes are gracious in defeat.
What can you do, when you on heat, you on heat.i’ll still watch it next year like the little bitch i am.
Will there be a decision tonight or is it going to drag on?
What happened at the restart today with both leading cars literally side-by-side absolutely does not happen 'all the time'.