F1 2021 Season

Redlambs said:
And they'll quietly step aside when given certain winks and assurances.
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I dunno... I mean would you trust winks and assurances from people who don't follow even their own rules


Better to pull.out last second and kill the competition... perhaps make a deal with formula e first that merc will join provided red bull cant just to show red bull and the fia how powerless they really are in a commercial world
 
spiriticon said:
Surely there's no more Lewis can do in F1 now?

He's better going off to Formula E and making that sport bigger with cleaner cars.
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With Russell coming in as well, he could have a challenger beside him and he won't want to lose to a teammate for a third time.
There's also no guarantee Mercedes will be as good next year.

I hope he does stay and would be great for him if he could beat Russell. This result might spur him on and be extra determined again next year
 
What a mess that was.

Forget who won, that race had more attention on it than any in about 20 years and for it to be decided by a farcical race director/steward decision... that's probably turned off 90% of the potential new fans they had in the making.

There is no way Michael Masi can continue in his position next season.
 
sun_tzu said:
I dunno... I mean would you trust winks and assurances from people who don't follow even their own rules


Better to pull.out last second and kill the competition... perhaps make a deal with formula e first that merc will join provided red bull cant just to show red bull and the fia how powerless they really are in a commercial world
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They cannot just "pull out" of contractual agreements without having financial implications (including sponsorships) which they will be unlikely to do in a Covid environment.
 


Launching an intention to appeal, if/when they do, the appeal will bet rejected & it’ll go CAS.

Merc probably knew it will go to CAS and have to go through these steps to get there.
 
Bosws87 said:
This is no sport what a dreadful advert for it :lol:

Even more embarrassing the people that can't put feeling aside and will just jump to defend their favourite this just shows the current mentality of the world as a whole no logic or reason applied.
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The best bit is from the ones 'I like both/support Verstappen more' that claim it was a shit decision but apparently he deserved it 'over the season'. When the hell did that become the measuring stick instead of points.

I swear, this is why people have trouble with logic - they just want it their own way. If it's for me, it's great even though maybe it wasn't fair.

I would love to see what CAS make of this since this is definitely one of these things that a court should be best to opine on (unfortunately). The Race Director has the discretion BUT was he right in using the discretion in the way that he did? Definitely something the lawyers will be salivating over.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Well with the new regulations next year is up in the air. Lewis is a better person than me because I would 100% walk away from the sport if I lost a world championship under those circumstances. F1 drivers are incredible and no driver on the grid deserves to lose a world title like that.
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Lewis reminds me alot of Ronaldo. That kind of mental strenght you either build that early on in life or you may never find it.

I would walk away too. He clearly has given the sport everything he had and more. But what makes him so great is that each year he finds new ways to keep himself motivated.
 
sun_tzu said:
I dunno... I mean would you trust winks and assurances from people who don't follow even their own rules


Better to pull.out last second and kill the competition... perhaps make a deal with formula e first that merc will join provided red bull cant just to show red bull and the fia how powerless they really are in a commercial world
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mercedes won’t bite their nose off to spite their face. it’s a money game after all.
 
hobbers said:
Article 15.3
The Race Director shall have overriding authority in the following matters and the clerk of the course may give orders in respect of them only with his express agreement:
a) The control of practice and the race, adherence to the timetable and, if he deems it necessary, the making of any proposal to the stewards to modify the timetable in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
b) The stopping of any car in accordance with the Code or Sporting Regulations.
c) The stopping of practice or suspension of the race in accordance with the Sporting Regulations if he deems it unsafe to continue and ensuring that the correct restart procedure is carried out.
d) The starting procedure.
e) The use of the safety car.


This rule will probably mean any Merc appeals are batted away both internally and at CAS.
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While a ridiculous subarticle, I agree. I think that is key. Max is world champion.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
A world championship should not be decided like that.
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Agreed but I also don't think a title should be determined by one race like Silverstone when one driver takes out another and the penalty received has no bearing and gains 25 points over his rival as a result.

There has been many bad calls throughout this season, including Lewis not being punished today. Bottais held up Max when Lewis was pitting last week, totally ignored by everyone, Hamilton pushed Verstappen off last week again no penalty.

Both drivers have benefited from poor decisions this season if people judge it objectively IMHO.
 
Bosws87 said:
This is no sport what a dreadful advert for it :lol:

Even more embarrassing the people that can't put feeling aside and will just jump to defend their favourite this just shows the current mentality of the world as a whole no logic or reason applied.
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Yup. Don't worry about integrity and actual sport, let's argue over ridiculously powerful teams and drivers who are horrible people :lol:

This was as in your face as it gets, yet people defend it. Sure all the teams benefit from dodgy shit, but the way that gets spouted with no thought of "hold up, this isn't right!" would be so hilarious if it wasn't the same in all other aspects of life, ones that matter way more.
 
hobbers said:
Honestly see no chance of them arguing against 15.3 at CAS.
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yep. also means it’s not a sport, it’s just entertainment and what happens is what the race director wants to happen. that’s shit whichever way you cut it.
 
Article 15.3 that @hobbers put in looks like it was put in as a safety net in case there are any feck ups from the race director/FIA. I can’t see how Merc get anything when that rule is there. But it’s weird that they seem to contradict themselves
 
Mark_Barca said:
Agreed but I also don't think a title should be determined by one race like Silverstone when one driver takes out another and the penalty received has no bearing and gains 25 points over his rival as a result.

There has been many bad calls throughout this season, including Lewis not being punished today. Bottais held up Max when Lewis was pitting last week, totally ignored by everyone, Hamilton pushed Verstappen off last week again no penalty.

Both drives have benefited from poor decisions this season if people judge it objectively IMHO.
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And are you being objective?
 
sewey89 said:
Article 15.3 that @hobbers put in looks like it was put in as a safety net in case there are any feck ups. I can’t see how Merc get anything when that rule is there. But it’s weird that they seem to contradict themselves
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Be very wary of what Hobs posts.

Also, that rule isn't black and white, in fact it's incredibly open to interpretation by CAS.
 
sun_tzu said:
Wonder if Horner paid him to do a piquet jnr


Red bull.. We need a micacle

Lattifi... hold my wallet... erm drink no deffinatly drink
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All he had to do was drive round the track and pick up another doughnut
 
GloryHunter07 said:
He has been desperate to shit on Hamilton at every chance since i joined the Caf in 2007 so its no surprise.
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Stick him on ignore like me, I sometimes have a look at his posts just to see how he’s managed to shoehorn Schumacher into yet another argument. Like clockwork at the last race too.
 
Mickeza said:
You can definitely argue “use of safety car” is exceptionally vague - to me it means when a safety car is to be used - the rules for the procedure of withdrawing are laid out clearly. They weren’t followed.
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Would interpret it as deployment of SC as well, but like you said, very vague
 
The Firestarter said:
If they fail at CAS what's next, the US supreme Court?
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they shouldn’t be allowed to take it to a court of sport. the fia have clearly stated that the rules can be made up by the director on the fly and the teams just have to put up with it. that’s not a sport: i’m not a conspiracy nut but as a result, a race director with an agenda can manufacture a result.
 
duffer said:
This exactly like in Wrestlemania 9 when Yokozuna beat Bret Hart for the title, only for the ref to randomly allow Hulk Hogan to immediately challenge (and beat) a tired Yokozuna and win the belt.

Powers that be changing the rules to entertain.

Pro-Wrestling and F1 = Sports Entertainment.
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sorry but WWE has never been a sport. It is manufactured tripe.
 
No11 said:
sorry but WWE has never been a sport. It is manufactured tripe.
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One thing that I do think is important to note.. A hell of a lot of people were thinking Max would drive like a twat today and deliberately hit Lewis. He didn’t. And he had the chance on lap 1.

Max drove well and has driven well for the entire season (apart from the stupid moments he’s had). But fair play to him. He’s made it a very exciting season and this won’t be his only WC.
 
Max will win the next 6 or 7 titles I'm sure, then he will have to pass the torch when the FIA get bored.
 
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