Tuesday 30th March 2010
19.45
Sky Sports 1
TV3
FC Bayern Munchen vs. Manchester United
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Tuesday 30th March 2010
19.45
Sky Sports 1
TV3
Line ups?
Thank feck the drunk zebra got the right team and date this time around. 
if all fit and whatever
---------------------- VDS -----------------------
Neville ---- Ferdinand ----- Vidic --------- Evra
-------- Fletcher ---- Scholes --- Carrick ------
Valencia ------------------------------------ Nani
--------------------- Rooney ---------------------
---------------------- VDS -----------------------
Neville ---- Ferdinand ----- Vidic --------- Evra
-------- Fletcher ---- Scholes --- Carrick ------
Valencia ------------------------------------ Nani
--------------------- Rooney ---------------------
Why is the Bayern Munich badge slightly bigger than ours?
Are you trying to say they're a bigger club?
Are you trying to say they're a bigger club?
Robbens a doubt hence will definetly play.
---------------------- VDS ----------------------
Neville-----------Rio-----------Vidic-----------Evra
---------------Fletcher-------Scholes------------
------------------------Park----------------------
Valencia---------------Rooney----------------Nani
SUBS : PIG, Evans, Rafael, Carrick, Giggs, Berbatov, Diouf/Macheda.
Neville-----------Rio-----------Vidic-----------Evra
---------------Fletcher-------Scholes------------
------------------------Park----------------------
Valencia---------------Rooney----------------Nani
SUBS : PIG, Evans, Rafael, Carrick, Giggs, Berbatov, Diouf/Macheda.
When was the last time we put a Champions League tie to bed in the first leg?
Giving them a good pasting would be brilliant so that we could relax going into the Chelsea game without the second leg in our minds.
Giving them a good pasting would be brilliant so that we could relax going into the Chelsea game without the second leg in our minds.
Feck, I can't wait for this. It's been far too long since we last played them.
Anyhoo
VDS
Neville
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Valencia
Scholes
Carrick
Fletcher
Nani
Rooney
It'll be a tough game for sure, it's vital we score. We look solid at the back now Vidic is back in form, so I think we'll contain them and nick it 1-0.
Anyhoo
VDS
Neville
Ferdinand
Vidic
Evra
Valencia
Scholes
Carrick
Fletcher
Nani
Rooney
It'll be a tough game for sure, it's vital we score. We look solid at the back now Vidic is back in form, so I think we'll contain them and nick it 1-0.
Agree, Fergie said he would attack Bayern away from home, so it's very likely he'll save Park for Chelsea, maybe with Giggs too. Ferdinand and Rooney should come in if they're fit. Could gamble on Rafael for this game needs to rest Neville at some point this week.
Kuszczak, Foster, Rafael, J. Evans, De Laet, Gibson, C. Evans, Giggs, Park, Macheda, Berbatov
will probably make up the travelling 23.
Yep agree with this.
---------------------- VDS ----------------------
Neville-----------Rio-----------Vidic-----------Evra
---------------Fletcher-------Carrick------------
------------------------Park----------------------
Valencia---------------Rooney----------------Nani
SUBS : PIG, Evans, Rafael, Scholes, Giggs, Berbatov, Macheda.
Neville-----------Rio-----------Vidic-----------Evra
---------------Fletcher-------Carrick------------
------------------------Park----------------------
Valencia---------------Rooney----------------Nani
SUBS : PIG, Evans, Rafael, Scholes, Giggs, Berbatov, Macheda.
Will Berbatov not be in the team for the next three games now? Bayern twice and Chelsea.
Discuss it with Pete, Mockney and Geebs, whilst you record what you're saying.
Then upload it.
Then upload it.
Schmeichel
Neville
Johnsen
Stam
Irwin
Giggs
Beckham
Butt
Blomqvist
Yorke
Cole
Reckon we'll nick it 2-1, Sheringham and Solskjaer coming off the bench to score
Neville
Johnsen
Stam
Irwin
Giggs
Beckham
Butt
Blomqvist
Yorke
Cole
Reckon we'll nick it 2-1, Sheringham and Solskjaer coming off the bench to score
They got Schweinsteiger and Gomez out too, not sure how Bayern will line out now.
Bayern are a 4-4-2 side, but they may change to a sort of 4-2-3-1 for this game ... looks like Tymoshchuk comes in with Van Bommel in the middle, Ribery will be on the left, Thomas Müller maybe on the right, with Olic with or in support of Klose.
Starting XI: ------------- Van Der Sar ---------------------
Rafael ------- Ferdinand ----------------- Vidic ------- Evra
--------------- Carrick ----------------- Fletcher ----------
Valencia -------------------- Park -------------------- Nani
--------------------------- Rooney ------------------------
Bench: Kuszczak, Neville, J.Evans, Scholes, Giggs, Obertan, Berbatov
Rafael ------- Ferdinand ----------------- Vidic ------- Evra
--------------- Carrick ----------------- Fletcher ----------
Valencia -------------------- Park -------------------- Nani
--------------------------- Rooney ------------------------
Bench: Kuszczak, Neville, J.Evans, Scholes, Giggs, Obertan, Berbatov
Berbatov usually gets dropped after he scores, I don't know if scoring twice means he's dropped twice. I can't see Rooney being played upfront on his own for 3 games in a row.
As an interesting debate: does Berbatov deserve to start? Is it possible to fit him into our preferred European system (i.e. not 442)?
I think it will be:
VDS
Neville-Rio-Vidic-Evra
Valencia-Carrick-Fletcher-Park-Nani
Rooney
0-1 - Rooney.
I think it will be:
VDS
Neville-Rio-Vidic-Evra
Valencia-Carrick-Fletcher-Park-Nani
Rooney
0-1 - Rooney.
I think Berbatov will be on the bench for the Bayern away leg and Chelsea.
I've a sneaky feeling we'll play both Berbatov and Rooney in the second Bayern game.
Wait you dont have Park and Giggs in your lineup and its an away game. Nani or Valencia might not start this away game.
That's the one.
This is a good lineup except Giggs instead of Nani or Valencia.
VDS
Neville, Rio, Vidic, Evra
Valencia, Fletcher, Carrick, Nani
Park,
Rooney
Subs: TK, Rafael, Evans, Giggs, Scholes, Berbatov, Gibson
Neville, Rio, Vidic, Evra
Valencia, Fletcher, Carrick, Nani
Park,
Rooney
Subs: TK, Rafael, Evans, Giggs, Scholes, Berbatov, Gibson
I prefer Nani and Valencia. Giggs looked a bit rusty today and was seen clutching his wrist after he was taken off.
I reckon Park will play on the left to support Evra to try neutralise Robben.
---------------------- VDS -----------------------
Neville ---- Ferdinand ----- Vidic --------- Evra
-------- Fletcher ---- Scholes --- Carrick ------
Valencia ------------------------------------ Park
--------------------- Rooney ---------------------
---------------------- VDS -----------------------
Neville ---- Ferdinand ----- Vidic --------- Evra
-------- Fletcher ---- Scholes --- Carrick ------
Valencia ------------------------------------ Park
--------------------- Rooney ---------------------
Ribery vs. Neville
Judging by Sultan's post - who is usually up to date with all news regarding United and our opponents - it has gone unnoticed, that Robben was injured in Bayern's 1-2 home loss to Stuttgart.
He is a big doubt for Tuesday.
He is a big doubt for Tuesday.
Sir Alex Ferguson aims for old targets
From The Sunday Times
March 28, 2010
Jonathan Northcroft, football correspondent
SIR Alex Ferguson is like a woman shopper. He comes home with purchases but can’t put out of his mind the item he failed to buy. When a player has been one of Ferguson’s transfer targets he seldom forgets their attractions and often returns, a long time later, to bid for them again. Laurent Blanc, Edwin Van der Sar, Henrik Larsson and Michael Owen are just some footballers Ferguson has signed years after he first tried.
When Bayern Munich line up against Manchester United on Tuesday, United’s manager may itch with remembered acquisitive ardour. Fit again after an ankle injury will be Franck Ribery, a man Ferguson inspected closely before baulking at a Bayern asking price of £60m last summer. Mario Gomez was on United’s radar in 2008 and Ferguson is a long-term admirer of Miroslav Klose, likely to replace Gomez if a calf strain keeps the striker out of Bayern’s starting XI.
The Bundesliga’s man of the season, the rejuvenated Arjen Robben, had all but signed for United in 2004. Robben got the tour of Carrington and five-star Ferguson treatment, including dinner, before Peter Kenyon moved to Chelsea and wooed him away. The suspended Bastian Schweinsteiger is another former Fergie target.
And then there is Philipp Lahm, the opposing player Ferguson has admired, perhaps, for the longest time. The thoroughbred full-back, who plays on the right under Louis van Gaal, having spent most of his career on the left, could interest Ferguson again with — given the stalled progress of Rafael — United’s long-term successor to Gary Neville still not identified.
Lahm, like Robben, is one of several Bayern players to have been invigorated by Van Gaal, Bayern’s coach since arriving from AZ Alkmaar in July. The Dutchman discarded players such as Luca Toni (on loan at Roma), Massimo Oddo and Tim Borowski to remould Bayern into a more structured but dynamic unit who play in the Dutch style with a three-man forward line, midfield ball-players, defenders (such as Lahm) who go forward. The four goals conceded to a moderate Fiorentina speak of a weakness at the back that Wayne Rooney and Co will look to exploit, but Bayern’s attacking power makes them a more dangerous proposition in the Champions League than they have been for several years. The Germans won 4-1 at Juventus to clinch progress from the group stage.
Lahm believes his side are still a work in progress. “There is still a gap between us and the top sides but clearly we’ve gained ground since last season,” he says. “We could be among the favourites next year.”
Van Gaal’s first few months brought fall-outs and new episodes of soap opera to the club nicknamed FC Hollywood, but the camp now appears unified. “I look at that as a settling-in period,” Lahm told Champions magazine. “Van Gaal came in at the right time. You sense there’s a structure to the team now, there’s organisation on and off the pitch. The team are improving month to month and maturing into a top-class side.
“Now we control the game better, we create more opportunities. Nothing is left to chance, everything is set up strategically. It means there’s more quality — the kind of quality teams such as Barça or Chelsea have more of. Our coach is a teacher of football and one thing I can say is that we’ve never had one like him before.”
From The Sunday Times
March 28, 2010
Jonathan Northcroft, football correspondent
SIR Alex Ferguson is like a woman shopper. He comes home with purchases but can’t put out of his mind the item he failed to buy. When a player has been one of Ferguson’s transfer targets he seldom forgets their attractions and often returns, a long time later, to bid for them again. Laurent Blanc, Edwin Van der Sar, Henrik Larsson and Michael Owen are just some footballers Ferguson has signed years after he first tried.
When Bayern Munich line up against Manchester United on Tuesday, United’s manager may itch with remembered acquisitive ardour. Fit again after an ankle injury will be Franck Ribery, a man Ferguson inspected closely before baulking at a Bayern asking price of £60m last summer. Mario Gomez was on United’s radar in 2008 and Ferguson is a long-term admirer of Miroslav Klose, likely to replace Gomez if a calf strain keeps the striker out of Bayern’s starting XI.
The Bundesliga’s man of the season, the rejuvenated Arjen Robben, had all but signed for United in 2004. Robben got the tour of Carrington and five-star Ferguson treatment, including dinner, before Peter Kenyon moved to Chelsea and wooed him away. The suspended Bastian Schweinsteiger is another former Fergie target.
And then there is Philipp Lahm, the opposing player Ferguson has admired, perhaps, for the longest time. The thoroughbred full-back, who plays on the right under Louis van Gaal, having spent most of his career on the left, could interest Ferguson again with — given the stalled progress of Rafael — United’s long-term successor to Gary Neville still not identified.
Lahm, like Robben, is one of several Bayern players to have been invigorated by Van Gaal, Bayern’s coach since arriving from AZ Alkmaar in July. The Dutchman discarded players such as Luca Toni (on loan at Roma), Massimo Oddo and Tim Borowski to remould Bayern into a more structured but dynamic unit who play in the Dutch style with a three-man forward line, midfield ball-players, defenders (such as Lahm) who go forward. The four goals conceded to a moderate Fiorentina speak of a weakness at the back that Wayne Rooney and Co will look to exploit, but Bayern’s attacking power makes them a more dangerous proposition in the Champions League than they have been for several years. The Germans won 4-1 at Juventus to clinch progress from the group stage.
Lahm believes his side are still a work in progress. “There is still a gap between us and the top sides but clearly we’ve gained ground since last season,” he says. “We could be among the favourites next year.”
Van Gaal’s first few months brought fall-outs and new episodes of soap opera to the club nicknamed FC Hollywood, but the camp now appears unified. “I look at that as a settling-in period,” Lahm told Champions magazine. “Van Gaal came in at the right time. You sense there’s a structure to the team now, there’s organisation on and off the pitch. The team are improving month to month and maturing into a top-class side.
“Now we control the game better, we create more opportunities. Nothing is left to chance, everything is set up strategically. It means there’s more quality — the kind of quality teams such as Barça or Chelsea have more of. Our coach is a teacher of football and one thing I can say is that we’ve never had one like him before.”
Carrick & Park will defo play.
It will be an energy sapping away leg and we need all the running we can get out of a Carrick, Fletcher, Park midfield to close down the many attacking talents that Munich will have on display.
It will be an energy sapping away leg and we need all the running we can get out of a Carrick, Fletcher, Park midfield to close down the many attacking talents that Munich will have on display.
Is Robben injured>
“This Manchester United team is not invincible. If the press want to see them as favourites then that suits us because all the pressure will be on them. I have watched them on television many times recently and their team is certainly not as powerful as it was in the last two years. Rooney has been phenomenal this season. But at the moment he seems to be their only solution: What about if he doesn’t function? He has become the star of the side since the sale of Ronaldo last summer but we will be prepared to stop him. They are almost a one-man team so our defenders will give him 180 minutes of non-stop distraction.” - Arjen Robben.
Almost a one man team. Sure let them double up on Rooney. It will allow Fletcher and Park to make forward runs through the middle and it will allow Valencia and Nani to have more freedom.
for this one:
van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher, Carrick, Scholes, Valencia, Rooney, Nani.
SUBS: Kuszczak, Rafael, J Evans, Gibson, Giggs, Park, Berbatov.
for Chelsea:
van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher, Carrick, Park, Valencia, Rooney, Giggs.
SUBS: Kuszczak, Rafael, J Evans, Gibson, Scholes, Nani, Berbatov.
for Bayern (H)
van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Fletcher, Nani, Rooney, Berbatov.
SUBS: Kuszczak, Rafael, J Evans, Scholes, Giggs, Park, Macheda.
The only qualm would be about Gary Neville playing what would be four games in a row in a fairly short space of time, though of course we do have Rafael and O'Shea coming back from injury (but would SAF throw him straight in there?)
Also, I cannot see Berbatov being left out of the starting XI in all these games in the form he's in, I reckon he'll start one of them and provided we have a decent score to build on in the CL second leg, it'll be the Bayern home game.
van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher, Carrick, Scholes, Valencia, Rooney, Nani.
SUBS: Kuszczak, Rafael, J Evans, Gibson, Giggs, Park, Berbatov.
for Chelsea:
van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Fletcher, Carrick, Park, Valencia, Rooney, Giggs.
SUBS: Kuszczak, Rafael, J Evans, Gibson, Scholes, Nani, Berbatov.
for Bayern (H)
van der Sar, Neville, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Fletcher, Nani, Rooney, Berbatov.
SUBS: Kuszczak, Rafael, J Evans, Scholes, Giggs, Park, Macheda.
The only qualm would be about Gary Neville playing what would be four games in a row in a fairly short space of time, though of course we do have Rafael and O'Shea coming back from injury (but would SAF throw him straight in there?)
Also, I cannot see Berbatov being left out of the starting XI in all these games in the form he's in, I reckon he'll start one of them and provided we have a decent score to build on in the CL second leg, it'll be the Bayern home game.
Obviously Robben didnt watch the Bolton game then
VDS
Rafael-Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra
Valencia-Fletcher-Park-Carrick-Nani
Rooney
Rafael-Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra
Valencia-Fletcher-Park-Carrick-Nani
Rooney
and if you want to see us as a one man team Arjen, mate, then that suits us tooI think Berbatov will play in both Bayern games, coming off the bench in the first and starting the second.
If this is true, I hope you are all satisfied with yourselves
https://www.redcafe.net/f7/arjen-robben-no-longer-injury-prone-289309/