Fergie's obsession with picking old players in midfield

Giggs should never start, especially when the likes of Rooney, Ando and Cleverly are on the bench.

At best he should be used as an impact sub.

Don't know why Fergie is so stubborn with picking him ahead of the above..
 
The thing is, we looked good in midweek with an energetic three. This particular three is so not suited to playing a team like Tottenham. I can't think what SAF was thinking, therefore I'm going to default 'blame Phelan' mode
 
The performance so far is Fegie's fault only. To start Scholes and Giggs both in midfield hasnt worked so so many times. Doenst help that Carrick does his annual "I need my time to get going" again this season and plays like crap as well.
 
Randall Flagg said:
Scholes was our only good player. So please let's not pick on him
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Scholes has actually been one of few who has done something. We are so unimaginative right now and I can't tell you why. The attacking players we have should rip a hole in just about any team but for some reason, they are not.
 
We had Welbeck and Kagawa and he decides to play Giggs. Don't really understand i thought he told Berbatov we where trying to emulate the exact philosophy Spurs are posing on us.
 
wr8_utd said:
I know I'll get abuse for this but I honestly don't ever want to see Giggs start a game for us again. Woeful doesn't begin to describe 90% of his performances in 2012.
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Nah, he really shouldn't still be playing for us, and if Fergie wasn't such a stubborn old git about our midfield, he wouldn't be.
 
BTW what's the formation we are playing today?

Looked more a 6-3-1 system than anything else.
 
Sometimes i wonder why Fergie continues to play the slow, ageing midfield when we have Ando, Cleverly available, okay they may not be world beaters but they offer something the oldies don't have which is pace..
 
The problem with Scholes isn't that he's not good. He's always good. He rarely loses possession by trying fancy things like Giggs. The problem is he relies on controlling the game, and what he's capable of doing these days, isn't what we need in the team at times like this.

We need someone with energy to control the game. And while he's on the pitch everyone will automatically defer to him. Thus it weakens us, even though statistically, and aesthetically he rarely puts a foot wrong.
 
I've spent the first half attempting to get my piano/keyboard to record directly onto my laptop, with unsucessful results...in a minute I'm off to go bowling with a few people from work.

I hate bowling. It's marginally less annoying and boring than watching Feguson kill Manchester United though.
 
And i though Fletcher was his favourite but persistently playing Giggs is simply baffling..
 
Mockney said:
The problem with Scholes isn't that he's not good. He's always good. He rarely loses possession by trying fancy things like Giggs. The problem is he relies on controlling the game, and what he's capable of doing these days, isn't what we need in the team. We need someone with energy to control the game. And while he's on the pitch everyone will automatically defer to him. Thus it weakens us, even though statistically, and aesthetically he rarely puts a foot wrong.
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Yup that's pretty spot on.

I said a while back that because Scholes is in the team we're far too predictable.
 
Mockney said:
The problem with Scholes isn't that he's not good. He's always good. He rarely loses possession by trying fancy things like Giggs. The problem is he relies on controlling the game, and what he's capable of doing these days, isn't what we need in the team at times like this.

We need someone with energy to control the game. And while he's on the pitch everyone will automatically defer to him. Thus it weakens us, even though statistically, and aesthetically he rarely puts a foot wrong.
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If we had someone along side him it would solve that problem.

Carrick really bothered me badly in that half
 
noodlehair said:
I've spent the first half attempting to get my piano/keyboard to record directly onto my laptop, with unsucessful results...in a minute I'm off to go bowling with a few people from work.

I hate bowling. It's marginally less annoying and boring than watching Feguson kill Manchester United though.
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If you didn't have a faintly funny posting style you'd have a similar reputation to that of Kelvin et al.
 
noodlehair said:
I've spent the first half attempting to get my piano/keyboard to record directly onto my laptop, with unsucessful results...in a minute I'm off to go bowling with a few people from work.

I hate bowling. It's marginally less annoying and boring than watching Feguson kill Manchester United though.
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:lol:

Shut up noodle. I feel your pain, way too predictable all this, SAF knows a thing or two about managing though so the penny might drop.
 
Mockney said:
The problem with Scholes isn't that he's not good. He's always good. He rarely loses possession by trying fancy things like Giggs. The problem is he relies on controlling the game, and what he's capable of doing these days, isn't what we need in the team at times like this.

We need someone with energy to control the game. And while he's on the pitch everyone will automatically defer to him. Thus it weakens us, even though statistically, and aesthetically he rarely puts a foot wrong.
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Yup, I can't help but feel we need to truly replace Keane before we can replace Scholes.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
:lol:

Shut up noodle. I feel your pain, way too predictable all this, SAF knows a thing or two about managing though so the penny might drop.
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I didn't even watch the first half and I know exactly what's happened and why...and I suspect I'd be an average football manager at best.

The penny is not dropping.
 
Randall Flagg said:
If we had someone along side him it would solve that problem.

Carrick really bothered me badly in that half
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Would it really though? Scholes doesn't win back possession or track back that much. The other person would be doing almost all the donkey work, then giving it to Scholes, who would do what he's been doing for the last year, ping a glorious ball out wide for someone to lump it in the box. Looks good. Is good. Doesn't really achieve that much most of the time.

Then no one gets onto it, the other midfielder is out of position, and Scholes is going to provide feck all cover.

Admittedly Carrick is proving pretty crap as the "someone else", since he's just sitting along side Scholes doing exactly the same thing only slightly less impressively. But at least he then is usually back to cover. Which seems to be the point. So in a way, Scholes is still the problem.
 
I'm surprised that Nani started this game given that he was hauled off at HT against liverpool - clearly he isn't in form at the moment. Giggs is just trying to do the job that is asked of him however it shouldn't of gotten to the point where we have a 38 year old winger in midfield. I feel sorry for Giggs, he is giving 100% but he just isn't the player he was. He's tainting his legacy because all people are saying these days is "Giggs is past it.." etc etc. It pisses me off it has gotten to this point as it has been obvious to everyone for ages that our midfield needs fresh legs... also now as Giggs has been subbed for Rooney he'll get it in the neck. Bah!
 
The half time change has confirmed already that Ferguson has still managed to not figure out what's going on.
 
Seriously now, what....the.... feck?

I can only assume that Fergie picked this side to confirm 100% how shit it was after last weekend.

Never a boring game against this lot though.
 
Scholes is class but our players look to him too much, when a United player gets the ball he will most likely try to pass to Scholes or get the ball wide. If it's a defender they'll lump it, we need more interplay and movement like we had in the 45-60th minute phase of the game.
 
Before matches start these days Fergie's selection indicates that he's more afraid of losing than wanting to win. Ofcourse after the team's been dicked on during the first half, he snaps out of it and makes some changes(not necessarily the right ones either).
 
Art said:
Before matches start these days Fergie's selection indicates that he's more afraid of losing than wanting to win. Ofcourse after the team's been dicked on during the first half, he snaps out of it and makes some changes(not necessarily the right ones either).
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That's what I don't get, he's gone all negative on us, normally he just fecking goes for it.
 
Everyone saw that coming. Literally every single United fan would have seen that team sheet and said feck, that midfield is gonna get overrun. It doesn't have the legs.

So why, why does Fergie not see it?!
 
We seem to have to play shit first in order to play good nowadays.
 
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