Yet both players have 2 assists in the EPL this season. AWB MotM 2x Reece 1x (But to be fair, in 22 v 10 games). AWB was bought as a defensive monster, which he quite frankly is. His offensive game is currently in development and he's showing signs of improvement quite heftily at the last third of the season. Both these players are 22 and 20 respectively. Lets stop pretending that any of them are the finished article.
Frank Lampard's Sack Watch / Sacked
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Yet both players have 2 assists in the EPL this season. AWB MotM 2x Reece 1x (But to be fair, in 22 v 10 games). AWB was bought as a defensive monster, which he quite frankly is. His offensive game is currently in development and he's showing signs of improvement quite heftily at the last third of the season. Both these players are 22 and 20 respectively. Lets stop pretending that any of them are the finished article.
To do a combined team you need to do a matchday squad and anyone that would be first choice, but doesn't get in isn't eligible for the bench as they wouldn't usually be back ups so....
DDG
AWB
Maguire
Rudiger (Shit options)
Shaw (Shit options)
Kante
McTominay
Mata
CHO
Martial
Rashford
Bench
Romero
Zouma?
Williams
RLC
Willian
Barkley
Giroud
3 Chelsea players in the first 11, 5 subs out of 6.
I've not included Pogba or Bruno as they haven't played enough. Could possibly swap RLC with Matic for similar reasons.
Shows that Uniteds first team is stronger, but when they need to swap players in the drop off in quality is massive, whereas Chelsea have a bit more depth, due to the more experienced players not being complete shite like Lingard and Pereira, who would be our back up options.
DDG
AWB
Maguire
Rudiger (Shit options)
Shaw (Shit options)
Kante
McTominay
Mata
CHO
Martial
Rashford
Bench
Romero
Zouma?
Williams
RLC
Willian
Barkley
Giroud
3 Chelsea players in the first 11, 5 subs out of 6.
I've not included Pogba or Bruno as they haven't played enough. Could possibly swap RLC with Matic for similar reasons.
Shows that Uniteds first team is stronger, but when they need to swap players in the drop off in quality is massive, whereas Chelsea have a bit more depth, due to the more experienced players not being complete shite like Lingard and Pereira, who would be our back up options.
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Is it me or is your first 11 actually a first 10?
Oh yeah shit I couldn't decide between Mount and Mata/Pereira and must have forgot to put anyone in.
How can Mata be in a combined chelsea/united starting team when he doesn’t start for United? Why is Abraham not on the bench? Where is Pulisic? Hudson Odoi as a starter?
Who would you put at 10?
I dont disagree with everything, besides calling him bang average.
There are like 100 strikers in the prem, and you dont think he's top 50...
Not as 10 but midfield 3 of Kovacic, Fred, Kante.
You dont think Rudiger is better than Lindelof or Bailly?
Then you must see someone and get glasses mate.
If Pereira wins that duel, might aswell just for 10.
Troy Deeney is also in the top 50 too.
At the moment, Bayern are a class above most teams around the world. I don't think the result was unexpected. I don't think it will affect the decision to sack Lampard in any significant way.
If he finishes in top four, despite the tranfer ban, with both their strikers (plus Kante) injured for several months, and just having lost talismanic Hazard, it will be an incredible debut season.
If he finishes in top four, despite the tranfer ban, with both their strikers (plus Kante) injured for several months, and just having lost talismanic Hazard, it will be an incredible debut season.
What's the key chances created stat? I always put more weight in that than assist as you can have an assist by playing a one yard pass (ala whoever passed to Adam when he scored from halfway at Stamford Bridge).
I guess you are right that we should probably wait a bit before coming to a conclusion but not long back I remember being slated for selecting him in a 'combined Xl' like I selected SWP over CR7 which I think is very unfair on Reece who has passed almost every test he's been given at youth and senior level.
If we're going down the route of doing combined XLs and doing it on present day merit then Kovacic should be first name on the team sheet.
So tell me, what is Kovacic's role? Is he a DM? Because he never creates anything and never scores so other than recycling possession very well presumably he's a good ball winner? Is he better than Jorginho?
Are you talking about "right now" or are you talking about "in the last 20 years"?
This Bayern are nothing special. Just last week they had serious problems to beat the last team in the league, a league they can't properly dominate this year. If anything yesterday showed how poor Chelsea are lately more than Bayern being that good.
Because leaving Bayern aside, it's actually 5 wins in the last 15 in the league for Chelsea. I remember when not so long ago this was a sacking offence for many on here, but now it seems to be acceptable somehow and we talk about lineups and whatever suits the agendas.
At the end of last season this place was in flames asking for Ole's head despite getting 3rd more points in the league since December, almost 2 points per game (40 in 21 games) and after beating Arsenal, Chelsea and PSG in tournaments with no signings. But now Chelsea being 4th with 1.62 points per game and being poor against every half decent team is such a good job, apparently.
It's also strange because United signing a manager from Molde has been considered a heresy, almost on a daily basis the word "Molde" has been on every thread in the Caf. But a Chelsea side that has been winning leagues recently hires an ex-player from Derby County without any success on his back, and all we read on here during the whole season is how clever he is, the good football they play and how he needs time and players. The double measure stick on this place is just laughable to say it gently.
Because leaving Bayern aside, it's actually 5 wins in the last 15 in the league for Chelsea. I remember when not so long ago this was a sacking offence for many on here, but now it seems to be acceptable somehow and we talk about lineups and whatever suits the agendas.
At the end of last season this place was in flames asking for Ole's head despite getting 3rd more points in the league since December, almost 2 points per game (40 in 21 games) and after beating Arsenal, Chelsea and PSG in tournaments with no signings. But now Chelsea being 4th with 1.62 points per game and being poor against every half decent team is such a good job, apparently.
It's also strange because United signing a manager from Molde has been considered a heresy, almost on a daily basis the word "Molde" has been on every thread in the Caf. But a Chelsea side that has been winning leagues recently hires an ex-player from Derby County without any success on his back, and all we read on here during the whole season is how clever he is, the good football they play and how he needs time and players. The double measure stick on this place is just laughable to say it gently.
You can see progress when you watch Chelsea and it is blatant obvious they need a striker to score all the chances they create.
We on the other hand are toothless. If you had watched us on a consistently basis you would know we wait for an error from the opposition or individual brilliance to score. We are not a well coached team and OGS have been in charge for over a season.
We spent 120m on defence to allow us to attack freely but we still persist on counter attacking football. However Lampard has already drilled his team to play a certain way and you can see with a couple of players his team will be a title contender. I can not say that for OGS.
But Ive been reading for 18 months how Sarri bas been wasting Kante in this forward role, how hes world class in his Leicester position but is being wasted further foward. Now hes injury prone this year and is still underperforming. Is hard to have him in front of Fred who has ben sensational this season.
Greenwood has 12 odd goals this year, hes not a terrible option at all. Theres every chance he could outscore Tammy before the seasons over. Hell he would be your second highest scorer even now.
Lewandowski scores 11 in 6 and Bayern are not anything special apparently.
Progress who? Chelsea? If anything they're involving since the start of the season. We started the first months with a very poor record in terms of goals and chances created, but in the last months we've been scoring at a higher rate while keeping our defence tight. How many clean sheets do we have in the last 12-15 games? 70 % maybe, or even more?
Yesterday I saw that we're the second team in Europe with more clean sheets this season. 18 goals scored and 5 conceded in our last 10 games. Keep the agenda on fire, my friend.
Then, poor Frankie is missing strikers, but it's never considered that we're missing creative players to beat the teams that concede us the ball. Just see the impact Bruno had in the team from the first minute, which shows the passengers we've been carrying for the whole season with Pogba injured.
And just for the record, I think Lampard deserves time and additions before giving the final judgement. If you don't give time to people to build something you'll never know what they're capable of. If someone believes in Ole or not is perfectly fine, but then apply the same rules to everyone or similar at least.
The extreme contrast on here on how they're perceived is laughable and not justified by results or performances. I keep reading about Chelsea and their supposed brilliant offensive displays, but all I see in the last months is a team crossing aimlessly to the second post and hoping for the best. I must have lost their best games, maybe.
Yup, he's bang average when you compare him to strikers at other top clubs and they are the strikers that he should be compared to. He's a good enough finisher but his all-round game is nowhere near good enough.
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Agreed, the grass is always greener. We as united fans are always harder on our own team and obviously always expect more.
But we have to be realistic also and see that the playing staff just isn't good enough. I think bringing Bruno in has been an eye opener for not just us - but for the coaching staff and board.
Agreed, the grass is always greener. We as united fans are always harder on our own team and obviously always expect more.
But we have to be realistic also and see that the playing staff just isn't good enough. I think bringing Bruno in has been an eye opener for not just us - but for the coaching staff and board.
You know we would play Martial out left, right? My point was that James wouldn´t play in Chelsea´s first team but is a starter at Utd and Tammy is a much better player than James. Tammy has 13 goals in the league and 3 assists with Martial on 10 and 3 so what was wrong with it?
Are they what?
Since Hansi took over at Bayern they are one of the best teams in Europe. They have won 15 from 18 games and lost 2, scored 58 goals and conceded 14 with 44+ in GD. That is 83% man how is that not good?
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Going by expected goals/assists stats
| James | AWB | |
| xAssists | 1.16 | 2.69 |
| xAssists per 90 mins | 0.11 | 0.11 |
| xGBuildup/90 | 0.29 | 0,29 |
| Open Play | ||
| James | AWB | |
| xAssists | 0.93 | 2.56 |
| xAssists per 90 mins | 0.09 | 0.11 |
| xA/Keypass | 0.1 | 0.15 |
God, even between is, midfield isn't great? That said, Liverpool are walking the league with Henderson in theirs so maybe not a great year for MFers (apart from City who still manage to feck up with their abundance of talent).
Not sure about Kante AND McTominay unless playing Kante out of position (a la Sarri).
I'd have Fred over Mata and no 10. Don't see Mata as a starter.
And Bruno. Know what you mean about not playing much yet but his competition is so poor, I'd pick him after one game.
Only other option is Bailly. Again not played loads since come back but out of the options, I'd have him as a bench player in this scenario.
Our first XI is better now but depth is shite.
James would walk into Chelseas side. Willian is the weakest player in their first 11. James isnt that bad. Player v player James gets in. Hell Greenwood gets in Chelseas right cause they are crying out for a goalscorer
Out of interest, what would you say Chelsea’s way of playing under Lampard is?
When Lampard deemed the better "coach" than Ole, and yet Ole's gameplan on the big games are miles better.
Ole outs demanding playing style over results, and yet here we are, looking at Lampard struggling.
People are saying we have no style, but look at Chelsea, trying to play neat football against the better team. When they lost, people are mad.
Now it's obvious that results matter the most, doesnt matter if there is style or not.
Ole outs demanding playing style over results, and yet here we are, looking at Lampard struggling.
People are saying we have no style, but look at Chelsea, trying to play neat football against the better team. When they lost, people are mad.
Now it's obvious that results matter the most, doesnt matter if there is style or not.
Since we ended their winning run earlier on in the season (end of October, EFL Cup) both teams have got the following stats:
Apparently Frank is doing great and Ole doing shit. Frank had a very good initial early form bounce and when the winning run ended they've been mediocre.
Chelsea:
24 Games
10 Wins
5 Draw
9 Losses
4 Clean Sheets
42% Win Rate
United:
27 Games
14 Wins
6 Draws
7 Losses
12 Clean Sheets
52% Win Rate
Apparently Frank is doing great and Ole doing shit. Frank had a very good initial early form bounce and when the winning run ended they've been mediocre.
Chelsea:
24 Games
10 Wins
5 Draw
9 Losses
4 Clean Sheets
42% Win Rate
United:
27 Games
14 Wins
6 Draws
7 Losses
12 Clean Sheets
52% Win Rate
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I agree, I think he's done well in the circumstances but next season they'll have to do better.
Bayern look solid and are my team to win the CL this year.
As for Chelsea, in my opinion, only Liverpool and Man City are ahead of us squad wise. It is pretty tight between us, Chelsea, Leicester and Spurs but I think we edge them player for player with the current squad we have and if everyone is fit, I would be confident in beating them all.
We need to get 3-4 quality signings in key positions that need strengthening that could elevate us to the next level, just like Bruno has for us so far. If we get the next few signings spot on I do think we can have a squad that could really blossom in the years to come. Whether it will be good enough to win consistent League and European titles I do not know...
As for Chelsea, in my opinion, only Liverpool and Man City are ahead of us squad wise. It is pretty tight between us, Chelsea, Leicester and Spurs but I think we edge them player for player with the current squad we have and if everyone is fit, I would be confident in beating them all.
We need to get 3-4 quality signings in key positions that need strengthening that could elevate us to the next level, just like Bruno has for us so far. If we get the next few signings spot on I do think we can have a squad that could really blossom in the years to come. Whether it will be good enough to win consistent League and European titles I do not know...
One manager has spent more than 150m while the other hasnt spent a penny. Have some shame next time.
I doubt Bayern will be in Europa League next season.
I never said Bayern isn't good or something, just not so special to justify a 0-3 in that way like a normal thing. 9-16 in terms of shots, 37-63 in possession even with the red card incident in the end. Bayern are always a good team but they're hardly a peak Barcelona to accept such trashing at the Bridge.
I didn't follow their evolution these months, but looking at the table Bayern are just 6 points ahead of the 5th team, so beating teams regularly is probably the norm for the good sides in Germany nowadays, considering the tight difference at the top. Under Pep they were demolishing the league every year but Madrid and Barcelona broke them like a plastic toy, so I'd take those results with a bit of care.
To me this game highlights what we already knew about Chelsea: they're in poor form lately and they seem to struggle this season against good sides. If I was a Chelsea fan I'd be worried with the signs they've been showing for some time now, in general. Bayern being a respectable team doesn't explain what happened yesterday.
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