You're actually called Phil Jones?
From the Times: United expected to extend Shaw's contract & unlikely to sign Danny Rose
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Which chance are we on now? 4th or 5th?
Yes, that's exactly what Mourinho value and to that Shaw now seem to have responded, if you're to believe the media. Activate his option is completely the right thing to do.
Stop wearing those skinny jeans, it makes your arse look massive.
People said the same about Fellaini when we exerted the one year option, that we dont want to keep him and increase his value. Turns out Fellaini convinced Jose and now is part if the squad, only a matter of time til he gets a new contract.
I think same applies for Shaw, he will get more time to show his value, otherwise he will be sold next summer. It doesnt change much, his situation remains the same, only that he bought himself some time.
I think same applies for Shaw, he will get more time to show his value, otherwise he will be sold next summer. It doesnt change much, his situation remains the same, only that he bought himself some time.
Pilib De Brun and duncan castles reckon he wont stay for long. He may be sold to get another signing in and has mentality issues. I think i will believe duncan and Pilib on this one. I dont think he will be sold this window, but i do think he doesnt have the mental strength and effort to play for a top top club. I think he will be gone next summer.
Indeed better to keep throwing money away in a bottomless pit.
Shaw is crocked, he has been here for 3 years and has hardly played.
Just pull plug and get us a leftback who we can rely on.
This is what he can do. Compare this to Darmian or Blind
Having your leg broken by a psychopathic arsehole isn't the same as being a crock.
All in the past, it is a shame what happened that night but it left us with a ruined player. Now you can keep having faith in him and keep being disappointed every single year and in the process also cripple the team for having no reliable leftback or you can get on with business and start looking for a replacement.
Hes had 2 bad injurys and hes 21-22? We should give him a third chance to stay fit and kick on. A lot of people who want to get shut but want to keep Jones (on another thread) dont see the irony in this. If at the end of this season he hasnt kept fit again, then the decision to give him the bullet or not should be taken. Lets hope the opposite is true. I would like to see Mitchell given a cameo role this season. He has the potential to be a really good LWB/LW. He could be given game time last 15 mins or so if were winning, and in the league cup etc.
It seems he ruined more than Shaw's leg alone. His leg injury was supposed to be over by now but he seems to fall from 1 injury into the other and Mourinho has already openly questioned his mental strenght needed to get back to his former self.
It might be harsh but that sounds like a broken player to me and I don't think we should keep investing time and money and hold off on signing a new leftback for the sake of a broken player.
It still confuses me how so many posters insist Shaw was called out by managers for being fat because they questioned his fitness. Like, seriously.
'He's shocking except for the games he wasn't.' Nice.
When reading crap like this I'm relieved that José Mourinho is the one who manage this football club. You really think we should pay £50m+ for Danny fecking Rose?
I think those things can be overcome. His mentality can be worked on, and it looks like he was well on the way last season. I'd rather Jose continued his development, but I agree a reliable option is needed. If after this season we're in the same position with Shaw then I'd probably, begrudgingly, concede it's time to move on. I just don't think he's been given a fair shot yet.
I didn't say we should get Rose, I say we should get a leftback that can actually play instead of Shaw who is always injured.
I don't give flying feck if that is Rose or someone else but we need someone.
He should be very motivated as this is our weakest position and he would walk into into the first team if he delivers to play on his best level. Even with all the troubles in the past, he could be starting left back at Manchester United for the next years. If this isn´t the right motivation for a young player, nothing is. I´d give him some time, maybe until early next year, see if he reaches his top level and stays healthy - if not sell him to West Brom in Summer 18.
I'm happy we will extend his contract but I simply cannot trust him to stay fit.
I'm sure a tonne of our fans have completely forgotten that the guy snapped his leg IN HALF!
At his age he deserves every chance we can give him to fulfill his potential. Realisitically after the horrific leg break I expected this season to be the one where he'd be back to full fitness, last season was simply way too soon.
At his age he deserves every chance we can give him to fulfill his potential. Realisitically after the horrific leg break I expected this season to be the one where he'd be back to full fitness, last season was simply way too soon.
I was talking about his first season in which he was abysmal in. This sticks out to me more than 5 games of his second season which people keep raving about. I believe his first season is a better sample to assess his United career on. He has been undeniably out of shape for most of his United career and I'm not going to bother to judge him post injury.
Unlike some posters that endlessly defend him. At least from his interviews, Shaw is showing self-awareness of not doing enough in training and not having the right fitness required. Personally, I don't trust him to stay fit.
I enjoyed his little cameo towards the back end of last season. Rusty as hell but you could see glimpses of the pace and power that excited us in those run of games before his leg break. And I know it was just a small sample but he really did look sensational in those games and is plenty young enough to get back to that sort of level again.
Oh my god, stop body shaming me! Romelu says I'm beautiful just the way I am
He wasn't "shocking" at all. I don't know why people have to exaggerate to make a point. You can easily point out problems about his time here without doing so.
An injury like that where you've been out for a significant period of time will often end up giving you other smaller injuries for a while when you try to come back. Which is what ended up happening.
This is the season though. If he still continues to struggle and/or pick up injuries, we'll have to go for somebody else.
It has nothing to do with his development imo. We are extending because no one wants to lose a 22 years old on the free, even if he will never play for us again.
The one year extension is a no-brainer. At worst he ends up not making it, no one wants him and we're liable for one more year's wages. If he makes it or we sell him, it ends up being worth it.
Once again, his leg snapped in half. The general consensus was wildly optimistic @Phil Jones 79, I was posting in the Luke Shaw thread back then that 17/18 is when we can realistically expect to see him back to his best. The injury that has kept him out of pre-season was a real killer though, felt he desperately needed the workout.
Seems like a case of ensuring a future transfer fee more than real faith in the player tbh.
It's really unfortunate he suffered that horrendous injury. He'd have been some player by now. I hope he comes back fit soon.
It's really unfortunate he suffered that horrendous injury. He'd have been some player by now. I hope he comes back fit soon.
I would really love to see him make it at United. He has had shite luck 
When was Shaw ever abysmal for us?
I can understand criticisms of how he applies himself and even the niggling injuries to some degree but I don't think what you're saying has ever been true of him. I remember him being very good for us against Palace in his first season. His problem then, similar to now, was avoiding little injuries and getting a good run of games going.
One thing that definitely isn't true is getting called out for being fat by his managers.
Probably a bit of both. There's definitely a good player in there somewhere, if there wasn't then we probably wouldn't be arsed about losing him for nothing and would happily let his contract wind down.
Was obvious he'd get one more season. Just hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the arse, it's a trouble position for us.
I think the fact that we haven't signed a left-back is a pretty strong indicator that Jose is prepared to put his faith in Shaw this season.
This. Getting tired of mediocrity being rewarded. First Young, then Lingard, now Shaw. The leg break was ages ago, he's too injury prone and highly overrated because of his age. Best LB in the league
Anyway, think this will increase his resale value if we sell him next summer.
An oft repeated myth. Even as a "greatest attacking threat", I don't remember a single dangerous cross he made, and he has no assists or goals. He simply made a few pacy runs forward, which is the bare minimum of an attacking LB at a big club.
He was never "ridiculously good" even prior to his leg break.
If he can stay fit I'm sure he can turn out a good player but I'm concerned with his fitness. We need someone to really nail down that position and if Shaw can do that it'd be great. Don't think he will though.
At this point I see little value in getting rid of Shaw. We won't get much money for him after less than 50 starts in 3 years and there's clearly potential there, even if it only comes in flashes.
On the other hand, its crazy to rely on him as our only proper left back, given that amount of game time. Even if we ignore the season with the broken leg, he only managed 18 starts in his first season, 17 last year. And that's in a team with no other specialist left back on the books.
Imo we should bring in a first team standard left back, keep Shaw as first backup & give him time to develop & get fit.
On the other hand, its crazy to rely on him as our only proper left back, given that amount of game time. Even if we ignore the season with the broken leg, he only managed 18 starts in his first season, 17 last year. And that's in a team with no other specialist left back on the books.
Imo we should bring in a first team standard left back, keep Shaw as first backup & give him time to develop & get fit.
Why lose him on a free when we could recoup 15-20 millions next summer?
All I want to say is that the extension is hardly an indicator of what Jose's plans are for him.
Made me chuckle