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[do.ob]

I thought the Bronn scene was fine, they've established himself as a cutthroat grifter throughout the whole thing so far, so makes sense he'd end up as one of the high lords. Only ridiculous part was him just strolling into Winterfell but then that's standard for the show now - once you ignore the silly logic which allowed him to do that it's an alright scene.

You also have to ignore that Tyrion promised something which isn't his to give and Bronn just accepted without a care in the world.
If they made it Casterly Rock instead of Highgarden, with a plea to their friendship then whatever.
But imagine Tyrion asking Dany to give Highgarden to Cersei's hired knive, because he threatened him with a crossbow.
If you take that away too, what's left of the scene? It's like they put zero thought into their writing.

 

[Samid]

Seriously can't remember a season with this many plot holes. Has it always been like this? Maybe it's because I've binge-watched all the previous seasons so I haven't really dwelled on these sort of things before jumping to the next episode.

 

[Irrational.]

What did people read into Missandei's last words? I half expected Drogon to rise up behind Cersei and start burning shit up

Or was it more of a subtle message to Daenerys to burn them all?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

What did people read into Missandei's last words? I half expected Drogon to rise up behind Cersei and start burning shit up

Or was it more of a subtle message to Daenerys to burn them all?

The latter. It was the whole point of the scene.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Latest episode currently rated 7.6 on IMDb, which is sure to plummet further the more time passes since its air time. On course to be the worst rated episode in Game of Thrones history. By a long way, too.

Says it all, really.

Not surprised.

• The unecessary time spent on Jora (I mean, come on now, nobody cares) and Theon's deaths. Jon's speech. All very cheesy.
• The scene with the Starks which was ultimate cringe, which ended with Jon saying "You tell them". Terrible writing.
• Drinking celebratory scenes - good stuff.
• Bron scene - jarring.
• The final standoff - utterly ridiculous. Something out of a comic book.
• Cersie - stop smirking.
• Too much time spent on Jon .. or Dany.. or Jon. Even their romance just feels so forced

 

[Pscholes18]

Apparently there was a Starbucks coffee cup left on the table in one of the scenes. FFS haha

 

[harms]

Personally I'm still hoping that big fcuking red meteor/comet (wasn't it mentioned in season 2?) is going to hit the planet at the end.

Only possible if turns out that Euron was in charge of it.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

What did people read into Missandei's last words? I half expected Drogon to rise up behind Cersei and start burning shit up

Or was it more of a subtle message to Daenerys to burn them all?

Dramatic effect. They wanted us to feel a dragon would arrive.

 

[Art Vandelay]

According to whom? A self-proclaimed queen that isn't even sitting on the iron throne?

You're now questioning the legality of people declaring things in this show? Someone said it, so it's a thing.

 

[Minimalist]

Serious lack of convo regarding Jon being a cnut to Ghost. Hope he gets his fecking throat cut.

 

[do.ob]

Apparently there was a Starbucks coffee cup left on the table in one of the scenes. FFS haha

Probably some 4d chess product placement.

 

[BusbyMalone]

What did people read into Missandei's last words? I half expected Drogon to rise up behind Cersei and start burning shit up

Or was it more of a subtle message to Daenerys to burn them all?

It was also a call back to season three when Daenerys said dracarys to torch the slavers who held Missandei. That's how i read it anyway.

 

[harms]

This season is worse than United’s 2018/19.

Let’s wait until they get to Huddersfield.

 

[RochaRoja]

I just don't get the show anymore.

Everything just feels so forced and disconnected.
Brienne and Jaime had to feck, because they needed someone to see him off when he went back to Cersei (for whatever reason). Even the way they set it up. Tyrion asking Brienne a pretty cruel question in the middle of an innocent drinking game?

Weird criticism. Jaime and Brienne have had sexual tension since the third season and there was always unresolved feelings in their relationship. Tyrion knew of their feelings for one another and was manipulating the situation to get them together.

 

[Redlambs]

What did people read into Missandei's last words? I half expected Drogon to rise up behind Cersei and start burning shit up

Or was it more of a subtle message to Daenerys to burn them all?

The latter. It was the whole point of the scene.

100% this. It was clear as day what it meant.

It paves the way for Dany to go full mental, and the rest I think we all expect now anyway.

 

[Gehrman]

Cersei holding Missandei hostage and executing her was a bit lame imo. Did Cersei really know anything about Missandei anyway? Why did Cersei think Dany would surrender because of her? Dany should have held Jaime hostage for something similar.

 

[Redlambs]

Cersei holding Missandei hostage and executing her was a bit lame imo. Did Cersei really know anything about Missandei anyway? Why did Cersei think Dany would surrender because of her? Dany should have held Jaime hostage for something similar.

That was entirely bizarre all round, from why Missy to how they even knew she was captured.

Still also think it would have been much better if Cersei just pushed her off when she had her hand raised.

 

[VP89]

That was entirely bizarre all round, from why Missy to how they even knew she was captured.

Still also think it would have been much better if Cersei just pushed her off when she had her hand raised.

I think to answer why Missy - they must have known her to be an important pawn from the meeting they all had in Season 7.

 

[BusbyMalone]

I wonder what the relationship is like between D&D and Martin. I just wonder whether they were assured that the books would be finished so they could continue to adapt from them. I just can't see them signing up to write this if they thought Martin wouldn't finish the series. I don't think they signed up to write fan fiction.

 

[Gehrman]

I think to answer why Missy - they must have known her to be an important pawn from the meeting they all had in Season 7.

She wasn't really that important though. Her primary job was being a translator and good looking. In westeros she's doesn't have a job. It's not like she was the hand of the queen like Tyrion, who is absolutely bloody awful at his job and she could have killed him easily anyway. Well all of them actually.

 

[Welsh Wonder]

That was entirely bizarre all round, from why Missy to how they even knew she was captured.

Still also think it would have been much better if Cersei just pushed her off when she had her hand raised.

That genuinely surprised me, I thought the obvious move was for Cersei to shove her off.

 

[do.ob]

Weird criticism. Jaime and Brienne have had sexual tension since the third season and there was always unresolved feelings in their relationship. Tyrion knew of their feelings for one another and was manipulating the situation to get them together.

Even if we assume that Tyrion was trying to help things along he's supposed to be one of the smoothest talkers in the kingdoms, here he's acting with the charme and subtlety of a sledgehammer.

That genuinely surprised me, I thought the obvious move was for Cersei to shove her off.

Yeah. Maybe they wanted to bait us into thinking she wouldn't kill her after all?

 

[Gehrman]

Even if we assume that Tyrion was trying to help things along he's supposed to be one of the smoothest talkers in the kingdoms, here he's acting with the charme and subtlety of a sledgehammer.

That's nothing new since the book material ran out. Tyrion is probably the dumbest character in the show now despite his only known quality is wit and intelligence. Only Jon is dumber and he is really fecking dumb.

 

[VP89]

She wasn't really that important though. Her primary job was being a translator and good looking. In westeros she's doesn't have a job. It's not like she was the hand of the queen like Tyrion, who is absolutely bloody awful at his job and she could have killed him easily anyway. Well all of them actually.

And yet she was trusted to stand alongside Dany in the initial meeting when no translator was needed. She was seen to be an important pawn from then I guess?

Also - agree with the plot-hole of not killing everyone when Cersei had the chance at the end of the episode.

 

[DatIrishFella]

Euron is so dreadfully written. The past two episodes have been dreadful in hindsight.

Why wasnt there a scouting party sent ahead to Dragonstone? How did Dany not see Euron's fleet?

Its disheartening at this point.

 

[Gehrman]

And yet she was trusted to stand alongside Dany in the initial meeting when no translator was needed. She was seen to be an important pawn from then I guess?

Also - agree with the plot-hole of not killing everyone when Cersei had the chance at the end of the episode.

Still Missandei hasn't been shown to have any special use apart from being a translator and an envoy of Dany. The rest of her hands and advisors had some sort qualifications to give her military and political advice. Missandei is just good looking and obviously a good girl for screwing a guy without a cock.

 

[Gehrman]

Euron is so dreadfully written. The past two episodes have been dreadful in hindsight.

Why wasnt there a scouting party sent ahead to Dragonstone? How did Dany not see Euron's fleet?

Its disheartening at this point.

It's unreal that a show with so much money and fame can't hire some decent writers to keep the show somewhat believable.

It's kind of Euron's thing. He just pops up out of nowhere and takes all the glory.

 

[sullydnl]

I've never been one of those people who says if you dont like it, dont watch it but my god I'm convinced some of you watch this with the lights on and a note pad so that you can write down any minor inconsistency and then complain about it in this thread. The dedicated to do that at 2 am is incredible.

It really wasnt all that different. And I dont mind people criticizing it, I have plenty of times. It's just the absolute joylessness that amazes me. I've watched some shows to the bitter end that sucked way worse than this (sons of anarchy) and I just had them on while doing something else and fast forward liberally. I certainly didnt write weekly essays about every little detail.

If this level of nitpicking and criticism was applied to the earlier seasons it would be like "how did the dothraki cover all this ground in 4 episodes when according to the books the dothraki sea is X miles long and that should take at least 7 episodes?". How did Robert and his entourage arrive at Winterfell in such good shape, why havent we been shown the supply chain that kept them fed along the road?

Pretty much agree with all of this.

 

[Berbaclass]

I don't take the show seriously but that was a shit episode

Admittedly with a few high points at the end.

So. Much.

 

[Redlambs]

Pretty much agree with all of this.

Yeah but he forgot the episode where they get the musician to play his song about Bobby B where he clearly played the same note twice, but produced two different sounds.

I mean, are we to believe it was some kind of magic lute?

 

[RochaRoja]

Not surprised.

• The unecessary time spent on Jora (I mean, come on now, nobody cares) and Theon's deaths. Jon's speech. All very cheesy.

Two characters who have been in the show from the first episode and have significant relationships with the show’s protagonists? Really?

 

[Minimalist]

Nah Jon's speech was fecking naff. Shite actor.

 

[Gehrman]

Two characters who have been in the show from the first episode and have significant relationships with the show’s protagonists? Really?

Agree. Jorah and Theon were actually some of the best written and acted characters in the show.

 

[RochaRoja]

Even if we assume that Tyrion was trying to help things along he's supposed to be one of the smoothest talkers in the kingdoms, here he's acting with the charme and subtlety of a sledgehammer.

Weren’t they all hammered?

 

[Gehrman]

Nah Jon's speech was fecking naff. Shite actor.

Jon and his actor are just dumb. I find it hard to believe that Westeros would believe he is the son of Rhaegar who was one of the most intelligent and artistic of the lords and royalty.

 

[Eboue]

Even if we assume that Tyrion was trying to help things along he's supposed to be one of the smoothest talkers in the kingdoms, here he's acting with the charme and subtlety of a sledgehammer.

 

[duffer]

Grey Worm had better end this on a beach in Narth after that.

 

[RochaRoja]

Grey Worm had better end this on a beach in Narth after that.

I thought Missandei would die on the beach at Dragonstone in GW arms. A bit on the nose but probably better than rehashing the Euron takes a minor character hostage thing again.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Cersei pushing misandei before her last words would have had a right cnut feeling about it..
And misandei to drag cersei along with her, falling on tyrion breaking their fall, killing misandei but somehow tyrion fails to kill her because of sisterly love you know just cos..

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Two characters who have been in the show from the first episode and have significant relationships with the show’s protagonists? Really?

They spent less clichéd emotional time mourning Ned Stark FFS. I mean, it's Jora. They already gave him the hero's exit at the end of the last episode which was nicely done.