Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Gotta say that this was far more Games of Thronesy and fitting of an episode in a way than the Battle for Winterfell was..imho of course.

Jonny could ve saved a lotta people by doing his aunt one more time though .
 
RedSky said:
Loved the idea of showing the city from a civilian point of view. They pretty much breezed over any hand to hand combat.

Daenerys character has been completely butchered. Do we really think she would have burned the entire city like that? Cmon, that's against every fibre of her character arc. Burning down the Red Keep would have been fair IMO. Burning down the entire city feels way too exaggerated. Guarantee that was done to allow the Arya walks through the city while it's burning arc. Rather than a specific reason for Daenerys character development. Doesn't sit right with me, I also feel somewhat annoyed that they tried to make us feel sympathy for Cersei. A character who fecked the entire of Westeros over by not fighting the dead. Yeah, ok.
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I think the biggest issue is how rushed her transformation has been. They needed to give it more time to turn her crazy like that. The paranoia was there with Jon being more popular but she’s gone full on psycho in the last two episodes.

She was trying to joke around with Sansa in episode two and now she’s burning women and children alive.
 
ha_rooney said:
Point taken about having insane genes & showing that she’s capable of something like this is previous seasons (burning Sam’s dad/bro)... I just don’t think her character, after everything she’s done & the time she took to get to KL, would kill innocent civilians. She’s gained nothing by doing it & she always came across as someone who understood the consequences of her actions. It just seems so rushed & out of character imo
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When people talk about Targaryens going mad I assume they literally mean insane though? As opposed to bond villain insane. In which case I'm not sure "acting out of character" really holds at that point.

Back in season 1 they said this about her father: "Aerys Targaryen. Of all the thousand thousand maladies the Gods visit on us, madness is the worst. He was a good man. Such a charmer. To watch him melt away before my eyes, consumed by dreams of fire and blood."

It's pretty much the same thing. Megalomania, paranoia, burning people alive. The full jazz quartet of crazy.
 
Interval said:
I usually never post on this thread. But that nonsense is forcing me to say it was nonsense.

I really only hope RedLambs is right. His theories are better than the show writers
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What did he have for breakfast?
 
Redlambs said:
It looked like, early in the episode, Dany and Wormy were planning revenge all along.


Btw what was that name she called him when Jon walks in? Did we ever learn his real name?
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Did she call him his valerian name,Torgo Nudho?
 
Redlambs said:
It looked like, early in the episode, Dany and Wormy were planning revenge all along.


Btw what was that name she called him when Jon walks in? Did we ever learn his real name?
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But its not like Danny to do this, it's so out of character, oh Jon doesn't want to have sex with her so she burns everything, it doesn't makes sense ffs.
 
Bran gonna warg into Drogon and burn down the remainder of the wall.. Last scene will be more night walkers approaching the threshold.. Dun dun dun
 
syrian_scholes said:
Why keep the fight going after they surrender it makes no sense.
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It doesn't, yet people did and do it in real life all the time. The pointless of killing helpless people is probably the most realistic part of any of the battles this season.
 
sullydnl said:
It doesn't, yet people did and do it in real life all the time. The pointless of killing helpless people is probably the most realistic part of any of the battles this season.
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While I agree with what you are saying, its still out of character for Danny, her madness wasn't developed properly to say the least.
 
syrian_scholes said:
But its not like Danny to do this, it's so out of character, oh Jon doesn't want to have sex with her so she burns everything, it doesn't makes sense ffs.
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Oh come on, it's been both hinted and talked openly about all along. She's been on the verge of making really bad decisions numerous time only to be talked out if it by advisors. We've seen visions of it, we've seen major characters talk about it. Ser Barristan talked openly to her about it.

Whilst I do agree that the actual descent this season seems a bit far fetched, it's not a surprise at all. Bad writing or not, she was always going this way.
 
Redlambs said:
Oh come on, it's been both hinted and talked openly about all along. She's been on the verge of making really bad decisions numerous time only to be talked out if it by advisors. We've seen visions of it, we've seen major characters talk about it. Ser Barristan talked openly to her about it.

Whilst I do agree that the actual descent this season seems a bit far fetched, it's not a surprise at all. Bad writing or not, she was always going this way.
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It's not a surprise, but as I said the build up to it was shit to say the least, it'll probably make more sense in the books, had they made a 10 episodes season it would've been better perhaps, I disagree with the way they are ending the series is all.
 
Interval said:
Were you offended? Why don't you come up with a theory. Any! I will say yours is better too. It's that easy
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I don't need to win internet points for having a better theory than some bloke on the caf. His opinion (as does yours, as does mine) carries no weight.

And no, I wasn't offended in the slightest.
 
syrian_scholes said:
It's not a surprise, but as I said the build up to it was shit to say the least, it'll probably make more sense in the books, had they made a 10 episodes season it would've been better perhaps, I disagree with the way they are ending the series is all.
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Me too. I think we all are really.

I don't know what else they could have done with her after the decision to make the WWs cannon fodder after all. But they haven't been exactly great closing out many character arcs at all. Theon, maybe the Hound, have been ok conclusions but even that shit with Jaime/Cersei was just damp.

As predictable as it may have been, especially since we saw Wildfire, that should have ended with her setting it off and Jaime killing her but this time too late (unlike the Mad king). Would have ended his redemption arc perfectly for me and brought it all full circle.

But meh, I'm not a screenwriter.
 
syrian_scholes said:
While I agree with what you are saying, its still out of character for Danny, her madness wasn't developed properly to say the least.
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The flaw (I think) is the fewer-but-longer episode structure of this season, which I don't think suits TV as a medium. Making the episodes longer doesn't change the fact that the audience processes the plot episode by episode, which means you can't do too much at once without jarring the audience. As opposed to films say, where the audience are fine with a character making huge shifts over the course of an hour or so.

For example, last week's episode was basically two short ones jammed together in terms of Dany's character development. In the first half we see her increasing paranoia, in the second we see her grief. If those exact same beats had been done across two episodes it would have seemed more natural, despite being the same basic developments.
 
sullydnl said:
The flaw (I think) is the fewer-but-longer episode structure of this season, which I don't think suits TV as a medium. Making the episodes longer doesn't change the fact that the audience processes the plot episode by episode, which means you can't do too much at once without jarring the audience. As opposed to films say, where the audience are fine with a character making huge shifts over the course of an hour or so.

For example, last week's episode was basically two short ones jammed together in terms of Dany's character development. In the first half we see her increasing paranoia, in the second we see her grief. If those exact same beats had been done across two episodes it would have seemed more natural, despite being the same basic developments.
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Yeah, I agree with that. Although these are basically like 4 movies, they are hard to be viewed like that.
 
sullydnl said:
The flaw (I think) is the fewer-but-longer episode structure of this season, which I don't think suits TV as a medium. Making the episodes longer doesn't change the fact that the audience processes the plot episode by episode, which means you can't do too much at once without jarring the audience. As opposed to films say, where the audience are fine with a character making huge shifts over the course of an hour or so.

For example, last week's episode was basically two short ones jammed together in terms of Dany's character development. In the first half we see her increasing paranoia, in the second we see her grief. If those exact same beats had been done across two episodes it would have seemed more natural, despite being the same basic developments.
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But her paranoia and grief are totally justified, not a gateway to instant insanity.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
I don't need to win internet points for having a better theory than some bloke on the caf. His opinion (as does yours, as does mine) carries no weight.

And no, I wasn't offended in the slightest.
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You're taking things far too seriously brother :lol:

It's just to emphasize that the writing has been subpar that silly things are feeling realistic. Last week I was tickled by someone saying that Wolves should ride the dragons and win the GoT. Dont take me seriously at all
 
syrian_scholes said:
But her paranoia and grief are totally justified, not a gateway to instant insanity.
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It's not instant though!

She has quite clearly been on a knife edge all along. Losing everyone around her has been the final shove, but she would have had to have been one sandwich away from full blown crazies all along. Which we were pretty much told and shown from S1 she was.
 
Redlambs said:
It's not instant though!

She has quite clearly been on a knife edge all along. Losing everyone around her has been the final shove, but she would have had to have been one sandwich away from full blown crazies all along. Which we were pretty much told and shown from S1 she was.
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How did her S1 behavior reflect any kind of insanity?
 
syrian_scholes said:
But her paranoia and grief are totally justified, not a gateway to instant insanity.
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There had been questions around her temperament before this season though, which is why Varys and Tyrion immediately started wondering about Jon as an alternative once they found out that was an option. The paranoia and grief were just the latest parts of the approaching insanity, not the beginning of it.
 
Thinking about it, having one of your main protagonists go insane and turn into the bad guy is such a George RR Martin move, in much the same way that killing off your main protagonist in season/book one was. Probably should have known it was coming.
 
Redlambs said:
Walking into fire for a start.

But I give up, you are right, she wasn't a bit mad all along and this is a total surprise all because Jon turned her down. The end.
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Again I've said its not a surprise, but in the build up she tells Jon its either love or fear, so again all I'm saying the build up is shit, Arya finding a horse in the middle of a destroyed city and staying alive afte two fatal blows is shit, Jaime's arc is shit, and they butchered Tyrion and Jon character development the last 2 seasons imi, I'm just not feeling good about the conclusion.
 
syrian_scholes said:
Again I've said its not a surprise, but in the build up she tells Jon its either love or fear, so again all I'm saying the build up is shit, Arya finding a horse in the middle of a destroyed city and staying alive afte two fatal blows is shit, Jaime's arc is shit, and they butchered Tyrion and Jon character development the last 2 seasons imi, I'm just not feeling good about the conclusion.
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Yeah I'm with you on that mate.

I'm telling you that fecking horse is something special though.
 
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