Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

The idea of Daenerys going mad is fine but having it happen over five minutes in a 72 hour show is dreadful writing.

Why was Varys so careless? He's built a career out of serving cnuts. Why lose the rag now? Why does Tyrion trust Cersei to do anything he wants her to? Why's Jaime's entire storyline amounted to him just going back to the person he developed to move away from?

Visually superb and contained a bleakness the show has lacked for ages, but the plot has properly fallen to pieces.
 
Cheesy said:
The idea of Daenerys going mad is fine but having it happen over five minutes in a 72 hour show is dreadful writing.

Why was Varys so careless? He's built a career out of serving cnuts. Why lose the rag now? Why does Tyrion trust Cersei to do anything he wants her to? Why's Jaime's entire storyline amounted to him just going back to the person he developed to move away from?

Visually superb and contained a bleakness the show has lacked for ages, but the plot has properly fallen to pieces.
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it didnt happen over 5 minutes. the signs were there for a long time
 
Achilles McCool said:
Did you notice the lock of "reddish" hair in it's mane? Or the Bravosi coin on the reigns
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Calling it now.

Then again I also thought that weird looking woman was him, even for a bit after she became a badly burnt sunday roast :(


On another note, I wonder if Varys got any of those letters out? It's a bit late in the day now, but who would they go to anyway? This new Dorne prince?
 
Eboue said:
it didnt happen over 5 minutes. the signs were there for a long time
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She's showed signs of instability and insecurity but so have plenty of characters. She goes from someone we're meant to be at least partially rooting for to the point of literal insanity within a scene, all because her mate died. This being a character who's spent her entire existence being persecuted and with people who wanted to kill her. Getting brutal and holding no prisoners would've been fine - becoming the show's most evil character within the space of an episode is just shite writing. And I say that as someone who liked the idea of an extended arc where she started to go a bit mental. It was done terribly.
 
Redlambs said:
Calling it now.

Then again I also thought that weird looking woman was him, even for a bit after she became a badly burnt sunday roast :(


On another note, I wonder if Varys got any of those letters out? It's a bit late in the day now, but who would they go to anyway? This new Dorne prince?
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I see what you did there ;)

As for the letter...I'm assuming he sent one to the Citadel, where the old Grand Maesters will sit around a table wondering what to do until Sam rides in on a.....white horse and sets everything right!
 
Cheesy said:
She's showed signs of instability and insecurity but so have plenty of characters. She goes from someone we're meant to be at least partially rooting for to the point of literal insanity within a scene, all because her mate died. This being a character who's spent her entire existence being persecuted and with people who wanted to kill her. Getting brutal and holding no prisoners would've been fine - becoming the show's most evil character within the space of an episode is just shite writing. And I say that as someone who liked the idea of an extended arc where she started to go a bit mental. It was done terribly.
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missandei getting decapitated right in front of here caused her to snap
 
Eboue said:
missandei getting decapitated right in front of here caused her to snap
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She spent the early years of her life on the run from people trying to kill her after her entire family had been murdered. In the last episode she gave a lordship to the son of the guy who took her family's throne. It's dreadful character development to go from that to the point of pure evil within the space of five minutes. Made Anakin's turn in Star Wars look well thought-out.
 
Cheesy said:
She spent the early years of her life on the run from people trying to kill her after her entire family had been murdered. In the last episode she gave a lordship to the son of the guy who took her family's throne. It's dreadful character development to go from that to the point of pure evil within the space of five minutes. Made Anakin's turn in Star Wars look well thought-out.
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she made gendry lord to consolidate her power and make him loyal to her.
 
Cheesy said:
She spent the early years of her life on the run from people trying to kill her after her entire family had been murdered. In the last episode she gave a lordship to the son of the guy who took her family's throne. It's dreadful character development to go from that to the point of pure evil within the space of five minutes. Made Anakin's turn in Star Wars look well thought-out.
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I'm right in the middle, on the edge. On one hand, they have been stressing about Targs going mad, but I would've never thought she would just decide, "let's kill everyone (women and children)" like her father saying, "burn them all!"
 
In my opinion the other episodes this season have been unfairly criticized, but this one was really crap in my opinion. The first episode I genuinely thought was not good at all.
 
Eboue said:
she made gendry lord to consolidate her power and make him loyal to her.
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Sure, but it showed she was willing to compromise with potential enemies to consolidate said power. Here instead of taking a more decisive turn to simply take the city she instead becomes pure evil on a level worse than any character the show has seen thus far. I'm not sure how that can be considered at all realistic. Again I like the idea of her turning but it should've been a gradual process. Two episodes ago she was fighting the dead to save humanity. Was never necessarily a huge fan of the character, but it's clear that was just shoddy development.
 
People complain far too much about everything. I thought it was brilliant television and I absolutely loved every bit of it. Dany had always been capable of losing her mind but she always had good advisors whom she trusted besides her to keep her in check. Not anymore. She lost Jorah Mormont, Missandei was killed right in front of her, she doesn't trust her hand, Varys was planning to get Jon to overthrow her and then when finally Jon refused her love she just snapped and went full Mad Queen.
 
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