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She had one advisor left, Tyrion, who she has repeatedly accused of failing her, accused of spreading secrets that would bring her down, outright threatened and had previously ignored when he advised her not to burn people alive. So not ideal.
Yeah, even though it didn't come across so well in the show there, I think the advisers thing is supposed to play a big role. We are repeatedly told that she has at least surrounded herself with advisers that hold back her worst impulses, unlike the mad king.
Again, not a good explanation for the drastic turn, but still one of the many hints she was always a little unhinged.
Again, not a good explanation for the drastic turn, but still one of the many hints she was always a little unhinged.
When someone hires an assassin to kill you and your brother only a few weeks previously I think even the person most addicted to a toxic relationship must give up on someone at that point. Even Tyrion just forgets the fact that she wanted him dead a few weeks ago and hired an assassin to do the deed. It's just
Not just the advisors actually, I just remembered that Jon had to convince her not to attack KL with dragons last season too didn't he? Said if she did she would just be more of the same.
Another man she ain't listening too anymore given she opened the episode by accusing him of betraying her.
That's what I've been saying.
When someone hires an assassin to kill you and your brother only a few weeks previously I think even the person most addicted to a toxic relationship must give up on someone at that point. Even Tyrion just forgets the fact that she wanted him dead a few weeks ago and hired an assassin to do the deed. It's just
It's war, everyone is emotional, they just tend to forget major things like this.
It happens, dont'cha know?
Yeah.
That’s a pretty dumb statement by Tyrion though. We’ve watched the two of them for seven seasons, it’s been pretty clear the whole way through that there are some other massive differences between Dany and Cersei. Dany actually decided to liberate the cities of Slaver’s Bay against Jorah’s advice.
it's a fair point but again, it doesn't justify how ridiculous her turn to kill tens of thousands of women and children was, that's all. I mean three episodes ago she was playing romantic dragon ride with Jon.
The problem with the show is that they made her too heroic a character for seven seasons and then did a really, really bad job of turning that character into an antagonist, because they didn't even really do anything beyond "oh look all these bad things happened to me, now BELLS, I hate bells, kill everyone!" At least in the books
Dany has always had a bit of a loopy, weird, mental streak.
I don't know about Dany, at least we had plenty of hints she was a crazy bitch in waiting.
But what about Missandei? She switched to mad bitch way quicker than Dany!
But what about Missandei? She switched to mad bitch way quicker than Dany!
When someone hires an assassin to kill you and your brother only a few weeks previously I think even the person most addicted to a toxic relationship must give up on someone at that point. Even Tyrion just forgets the fact that she wanted him dead a few weeks ago and hired an assassin to do the deed. It's just
Jamie tried to murder a child to protect his incestuous relationship with his twin sister. It was a complex relationship, he knew that. Bleating on about 'toxic relationships' like its an episode of Oprah or something is missing the point somewhat.
Folks say stuff in the heat of the moment when they're about to be beheaded.
My take is that they did a fine job of laying the groundwork prior to this season (any more and the turn would have been too obvious) but the shorter structure of this season has screwed the landing. You need a few episodes of building paranoia to sell it, as you would have got in a normal ten episode season I think.
It's supposed to be a twist and a shock when she breaks bad so they can't make it too obvious beforehand but if things like her grief, mistrust of her advisors, their increasing mistrust of her and her frustration at still not being on the throne had a few more episodes to breathe then it would have seemed like less of a leap, I think.
She's a bit like the twitter Dany fans, can't get enough of Dany burning her enemies down. Then all of a sudden it isn't cool any more.
It's a bit different when the person you supposedly love hires an actual hitman out on you. But hey whatever, I suppose you could write off as Cersei just being naughty or cheeky.
They got the show because they worked out Martin's ending. She,was always going to go mad from the start . They didn't decide it the books did
There were 2 little clues in my opinion that this was going to happen.
In the episode when she says 'Fear it is' I think that is the turning moment she decides to rule all by fear as she realises she will never be loved by the people of Westeros (and she thinks even Jon has abandoned her).
Also the end of last episode just before Missandei is killed doesn't she shout the word that commands the dragon to breathe fire? [/spolier]
In the episode when she says 'Fear it is' I think that is the turning moment she decides to rule all by fear as she realises she will never be loved by the people of Westeros (and she thinks even Jon has abandoned her).
Also the end of last episode just before Missandei is killed doesn't she shout the word that commands the dragon to breathe fire? [/spolier]
Just a prank.
Yeah I'd agree with that. Like I said, I've zero issues with her turning, the problem is the way they rushed it.
But we haven't seen 20 episodes of people doing that.
Hehehe!
She also clearly forgot it was Dany's fault she was dying in the first place!
But yeah, burn the whole city down!
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When I see people complaining about the Jaime arc I remember that the writers had previously had Jaime rape Cersei, seemingly without realising that's what they were doing. At which point I wonder why anyone is surprised.
50 no's and a yes means yes.
Aye, I mean Daenerys was such an awesome bestie that not only did she abandon all of her advisers at the Pits back in... was it Season 5? But she did it again last episode.
It's a pretty shit deal being one of Daenerys advisers.
Aye, I mean Daenerys was such an awesome bestie that not only did she abandon all of her advisers at the Pits back in... was it Season 5? But she did it again last episode.
It's a pretty shit deal being one of Daenerys advisers.
Maybe we are being a bit harsh.
After all, the sun wasn't in the right place the second time. Duh!
Surely when she says "Let it be fear" was this episode when Jon knocks her back (again). Does she mention it in a previous episode?
That's true. I mean Westeros hadn't patched out Eurons aimbot either. So I am probably being way too harsh.
She thought he had betrayed her. I'm sure Jamie would be expecting such a reaction. He knew that she was rotten to the core but loved her anyway. He even touched on that in one of the recent episodes by highlighting the terrible things he had done to indicate that they were not so different morally.
It seemed obvious to me that they would die that way, although I thought Jamie might kill her to play his part in stopping her but then kill himself because he couldn't exist without her. Perhaps that would have been a more satisfactory ending for some because Jamie would have got his redemption without betraying the unique bond he had with her. People hated Cerci and loved Jamie but him somehow breaking away from their bond just wouldn't have rang true for me as it was too central to his being.
No it was this episode.
No that's the one I mean
Some of y'all need to come out from under Danys skirt.... "She would never do that! HOW COULD SHE!"
Which is ridiculous. Fans should feel bad about it, her character arc with a little more care and attention, less of a rush to the obvious big scenes, should be a tragedy, an incredible waste of potential. Same with Jon, they made them into standard leads and lost all the nuance and struggle that made them interesting.
Some of y'all need to come out from under Danys skirt.... "She would never do that! HOW COULD SHE!"
If I'm ever under her skirt, I'm enjoying the stay tbh.
I agree with that. Their stories had so much potential
Did they foreshadow that Roose bolton would turn on the Starks and help slaughter Rob and the rest?
That kinda seemed out of character for the three or whatever seasons we knew him
Also, no offence, some of you guys attempts at trying to make the turn 'better' is quite laughable. Im not saying what they did was perfect, but I would have laughed if they had just added maniacal laughs and screams or her hearing fire (which means we as an audience has to hear the fire).
Three. Qyburns death
That kinda seemed out of character for the three or whatever seasons we knew him
Also, no offence, some of you guys attempts at trying to make the turn 'better' is quite laughable. Im not saying what they did was perfect, but I would have laughed if they had just added maniacal laughs and screams or her hearing fire (which means we as an audience has to hear the fire).
Three. Qyburns death
Yeah that was good. Basically a classic scene.
A little bit - they made sure to show him telling Jaime to “give my regards” to Tywin.
But more importantly, Roose turning on the Starks made perfect sense in terms of the mistakes Robb made, his future prospects in the war, and the general rules of the Game of Thrones as they’d been established in the show.
Did they foreshadow that Roose bolton would turn on the Starks and help slaughter Rob and the rest?
That kinda seemed out of character for the three or whatever seasons we knew him
Also, no offence, some of you guys attempts at trying to make the turn 'better' is quite laughable. Im not saying what they did was perfect, but I would have laughed if they had just added maniacal laughs and screams or her hearing fire (which means we as an audience has to hear the fire).
Three. Qyburns death
Errr...yes, he frees Jaime Lannister against Robb's orders. It's fairly obvious Ramsay is his son as well and by the time of the RW Ramsay's been torturing Theon for a good while and has shown what he is. The foreshadowing is subtle beforehand but it's obviously there and the turn makes sense.
I always thought the alliance between Daenerys/Tyrion was poorly executed. She meets him, like, once in Season 5, fecks off for most of Season 6, and then suddenly regards him as her closest adviser come the end of Season 6 even though he's spent an entire season fecking up the defence of Meereen. Then he spends Season 7 repeatedly giving bad advice and making plans that fail.
Although Dinklage's performance had saved it somewhat - thought his look of horror when Daenerys turned was excellent and sold me on how much he believed in her despite the generally meddling execution of said arc as a whole.