Hodor would be alive
The door!
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The door!
Maybe...
Jon (and everyone) would still think he was Ned's bastard.
Wasn't him being pushed out of the window by Jamie a major catalyst for pretty much everything?
Which still changes nothing.
Him catching Jaime and Cersei was the catalyst for everything to kick off, if that counts.
Edit: Feck sake @CassiusClaymore
Edit: Feck sake @CassiusClaymore
We wouldn't have had the Hodor reveal with how he came to be. Actually he'd still be Willis if Bran didn't exist.
Sam found out that Rhagaer and Whatsername got married. Knew nothing about them having a kid.
Danny would not have gone mental if she still had Jon Snow as a lover rather than her nephew.
Surely the catalyst that started everything off was Jon Arryn being killed, that led Robert Baratheon and therefore Cersei/Jaime to Winterfell in the first place. Agreed that Bran accelerated Littlefingers plan though.
Ha. Arya out of nowhere.
Jon Arryn's death started everything. Little Finger was always manipulating a war, Bran'a fall just gave him an easier target.
I thought that started because Littlefinger had Jon Arryn's wife poison her husband?
Now that I think about it, how did Littlefinger manage to send an assassin armed with his dagger all the way to Winterfell to kill Bran who'd been crippled for a few days?
Did he plan to try and have Bran killed regardless?
She was always going mental, she was mental before Jon.
If The Night King hadn't come into the Godswood after Bran Arya wouldn't have been able to kill him. Dany and Jon's forces would have been wiped out at Winterfell.
Bran told Sam who Jon was which caused all the ploting behind Dany's back which hastened Dany's decent into madness.
There's getting into a too-hot bath mental and there's burning 100s of babies mental though.
Everyone seems to have forgotten about the Jon Arryn and Littlefinger storyline.
She wasn't properly insane before Jon. If he was still shagging her and she wasn't all paranoid over him being a Targ, Kings Landing would not have been burned to a crisp.
Bran has basically contributed nothing positive. To anybody.
I'm not all about Jaqen the horse.
I've long since gone on about Bran being entirely pointless, I've even already countered all these points being thrown up now.
At the moment I'm just amusing myself laughing at the fools who think otherwise, whilst welcoming you to the "we see through bran" club.
Always going yes but the issue about Jon's heritage persuaded her to embrace her inner dragon something she had been fighting.
Yeah I get that but you can't say Bran is pointless. He's literally the cliffhanger for the first episode.
So his sole use has been as bait.
That and some comedy gold scenes of him looking moody in backgrounds.
So he did impact the plot then.But if Bran didn't exist then the original 3 eyed raven would still be alive...
I'm going to get a t-shirt printed with that horse on it with Jaqen's face photoshopped in.
They always knew they had to kill the NK though. Bran being bait doesn't change that.
And to cause the angst that led to the burning of Kingslanding.
So he did impact the plot then.
How is that impacting the plot?
Removing him still see's the NK heading south. He was heading south before Bran was even crippled.
I know but they had to get to him. If he hadn't come to the Godswood how would they have got to him?
And? That doesn't change the fact his character doesn't change any of the story in any way.
It may speed up or slow down certain things, but everything still goes down the way it does without his gormless stare.
He caused the death of the last 3 Eyed Raven and the last of the Children. He also was the catalyst for the whole Hodor arc.
Hopefully in a lot less stupid way.
I think Dany's claim not being under threat would've quelled a load of that Targaryen temper. I don't think she loses the plot if her and Jon are lovey dovey and she's the "true Queen".
It mightn't change the conclusion but he added to a lot of peoples' story arcs.
If Bran lives then Jaime and Cersei "finish" because they aren't distracted during their game of make the bald man cry.
Cersei gets pregnant and Robert goes on another hunting trip at a different time to celebrate. Survives.
Ned is unable to question Cersei as she is kept in isolation during the final months of her pregnancy. He doesn't find out about Joffrey's true parentage and thus never get this head chopped off.
Robert is still ruler and Barristan Selmy Nevers loses his position, and Nevers travels to find Dany.
Dany is killed by the assassin.
The Night's Watch call on the crown to help their battle against the Night King.
Robert, thirsty for blood and another war, sends all of the armies of the Seven Kingdoms to defeat the Army of the Dead.
Robert dies and Ned tells Jon of his true parentage.
Jon, already a member of the Night's Watch, is unable to press his claim, so he keeps it secret.
Joffrey and Sansa rule the Seven Kingdoms until Joffrey meets his untimely end at the hands of a shadow baby with the face of Stannis.
The armies of the Seven Kingdoms rally against Stannis as Joffrey and Sansa's son is the "trueborn heir" to the throne.
Edit: likewise, if Bran dies then Ned never goes south and everything is the same except Cersei doesn't have another kid.
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Are we saying that the series dispelled the idea that Jon couldn't be killed by fire because that wouldn't been a cool way to end the series.
She's lost it, he goes against her, Drogon steps in and tries to flame grill him only for him to walk right through it. Everyone sees it, declares him the king, Drogon bites his head off instead. Excellent plotting and a classic got shock ending all in one.
She's lost it, he goes against her, Drogon steps in and tries to flame grill him only for him to walk right through it. Everyone sees it, declares him the king, Drogon bites his head off instead. Excellent plotting and a classic got shock ending all in one.
But none of that actually changes the story!
Jon and everyone else still find out about the NK, the NK still heads south, they still have to kill him.
What actual difference does it make if the children/3er or Hodor are even still alive?
I never said he impacted the plot for the better.
Not in any meaningful plot changing way though.
Even if, and best case, we give him Jon's heritage...Dany still takes KL and she still has the mad queen inside her. It's not as if Jon refusing to bone her is the actual reason for her going full mad bitch!